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Would Pirates Have Bought Crysis?

Edge Online has some quotes from Harald Seeley taken from an upcoming interview with the Engine Business Manager at Crytek about controversial remarks by Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli about the dire impact of PC piracy on sales of Crysis (story). Harald concedes that not everyone who pirated their first-person shooter would have bought it, but he thinks there is an argument to be made that those still playing the game and downloading patches (they apparently still have more active users than unit sales) could be considered lost customers: "I think we can safely say if they were still playing the game by the time our latest patch released, and if they were playing on a pirated copy, then they were a sale that didn’t happen but probably would have had it not been possible to obtain the game illegally." He also makes observations about DRM, saying: "For example, the consoles themselves are, in one sense, simply very good DRM technologies that consumers welcome and pay for, in order to receive the benefits that come with them…"

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135. Re: No subject Aug 28, 2008, 16:30 Wowbagger_TIP
 
I'm just gonna roll all these replies into one post. Easier that way.

I didn't realize that not being polished and completely stable makes a game crap. Hello, STALKER, yet another one of the best games I've played in years.
At the same time, hello Call of Duty 4, linear, generic, with awful AI. But it's polished as hell.
I guess you realized later that that was exactly his point. STALKER could have been a big hit, if it hadn't been so terribly buggy and unpolished.

No one is saying it's dying but you can look back 5 years and examine how many AAA titles you had to play and compare that to this year. Indie devs have helped pick up some of the slack but there's still a large dearth in the market right now, with some genres almost nonexistent. There has been a definite and unusual shift of PC developers moving to consoles.
I gotta agree with Jerykk on this. The ability to tap into the console market (360 especially) which is much larger, and still create a PC version without putting in much more effort, is the reason why developers are moving to multiplatform development. The console market is simply too big and too easy to sell to for them to not tap into it. I haven't run out of things to play yet, but I'm sure it could happen at some point. I always have Oblivion, TF2, UT3 and quite a few mods for various games to fall back on.

do go on pirating as much as you like, but shut the fuck up when developers call you out on it, and leave PCs for the harder-to-pirate, DRMed platforms, consoles.
Again, they'll do that anyway, simply because it's a huge market that they can't ignore, and because they can still sell a PC version and make a profit from it.

This is anecdotal evidence. You are trying to say that most people are pirating games not because it's convenient and cost-less but because they have a moral code. Are you inane? It doesn't make piracy any more excusable.
The claims about piracy aren't based on any kind of facts either. They don't have any idea how many of the people that downloaded the game ever got it to actually run. If you ever read the comments on torrent sites, you'd see that there are lots of bad copies out there that just don't work, and even the ones that do work seem to be too complicated for a lot of people. So, they don't know how many pirated it, and they don't know how many played it, and they don't know how many of those people bought it. They don't have a fucking clue what the real impact is, so they create these worst-case estimates and throw those around.

Or you can just read a bunch of them or watch the video reviews or play the demo and make a decision based on that. Like most people do.
Which is how people end up buying crap like Crysis based on a demo that represents, at best, half the game. The other half turns into Doom 3. Yet the reviews out there were giving it perfect 10s. There's really no way to know what you're getting unless you play the full game. It's like a fast food place with the picture of the burger on the sign, but the thing you get is a slightly soggy, wilted, greasy, mess in a box. At least you can get a refund for the burger.

The fact that you can do it doesn't make it right. People aren't going to pay for games they pirated on the same kind of a twisted moral code that you use to pardon your own piracy.
The fact that it's illegal doesn't make it wrong either. The entertainment and software industries paid lots of money to get the law written the way they wanted it, and to do it without any public discourse or even notice. So, forgive me for not feeling too bad about violating laws that were created only for the self interest of the entertainment and software industries.

If you've played through the game and haven't paid for it, no matter what your opinion of the game is, it's still stealing. Stealing a cheap, crappy car is still stealing, same here.
Calling it stealing doesn't make it so. I pay for games that are good. I try before I buy. It's that simple. I can't say that everyone does that. But then nobody can really say that they don't either. There's not enough info to go on.


 
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