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There's a massive thread on the
Mass Effect Community Forums about the SecuROM copy-protection scheme
planned for Mass Effect, BioWare's upcoming RPG (thanks Wolfox). The game
will not need the disk in the drive to play, but will require an internet
connection for installation to validate the CD (DVD) key and will need to go
online once every ten days in perpetuity for revalidation. BioWare attempts to
address all the questions this raises, at one point replying that this will be
the same system used in Spore when the evolutionary game is released:
"Yes, EA is ready for us and getting ready for Spore, which will use the same
system."
This thread continues the discussion after the first one was locked for
length. Here's the deal: Mass Effect uses SecuROM and requires an online
activation for the first time that you play it. Each copy of Mass Effect comes
with a CD Key which is used for this activation and for registration here at the
BioWare Community. Mass Effect does not require the DVD to be in the drive in
order to play, it is only for installation.
After the first activation, SecuROM requires that it re-check with the server
within ten days (in case the CD Key has become public/warez'd and gets banned).
Just so that the 10 day thing doesn't become abrupt, SecuROM tries its first
re-check with 5 days remaining in the 10 day window. If it can't contact the
server before the 10 days are up, nothing bad happens and the game still runs.
After 10 days a re-check is required before the game can run.
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Re: @Jerykk |
May 6, 2008, 20:49 |
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You have it backwards. The people paying to play these games are the ones losing. You can't lose if you never invested in the first place. Actually I was talking in terms of the after effect once the HONEST gamers have come to accept any form of DRM as a necessary evil. Once gamers get on board, only the pirates end up being the loser.
Of course ALL gamers are losers when DRM schemes fail. The whole Starforce debacle, not to mention the Bioshock SecuROM snafu are an example.
The bottom line is that you can't shoot the messenger. e.g. I use SecuROM in my past three games. We didn't get a *single* complaint. In fact, the only complaint we got was due to my using the Direct2Drive license with the Gamers Gate version. We caught that immediately and fixed it by rebuilding the patch. The cause? user error.
At the end of the day, having used *all* DRM schemes available for PC games, I much prefer SecuROM. Apart from being non-intrusive and also supporting both media and online activation, it allows you - the dev - so many options that you'll go blind just try to decide.
The Sony tech support guys are 100% top notch and are always available to assist.
So whatever option you use, you HAVE to TEST TEST and then TEST your game. e.g. in my case, when we implemented SecuROM for Echo Squad (our March game), a SecuROM option would cause a major timing issue in my AI update loop. This would cause the game to go from 50 fps to like 5 fps, then climb again, rinse repeat. In less than a day, I identified the problem, exported the source code module, then excluded it from SecuROM's handling. Worked flawlessly. I knew how to do this because Starforce is so in depth and intrusive that we had to test our game for almost a month before I was OK with releasing it. We no longer use Starforce.
So, DRM schemes are all effective. But just like every other middleware solution, you can't just turn it on and walk away. You HAVE to test your game in EVERY single way possible. Its this business of putting in copy protection the week before you ship, that causes most of the Zero Day problems. You can't treat DRM incorporation like an afterthought. Thats like storing valuables worth millions in a $50 Walmart safe. Or plugging a $5K computer into a $5 power strip.
The snafus with DRM implementations are no more different than a video card vendor's drivers causing problems in a game and something that a developer has no control over.
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Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them |
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Dear Spore author |
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Online naughty check |
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Licence games.. |
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Problem |
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My post in the second thread. |
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Nice |
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Collatoral damage |
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Moratorium |
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it will only get worse.. |
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Piracy FUCKING RULES |
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Great Post I Found |
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@Lorcin |
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Missing something |
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Anti-Piracy? Yeah, right. |
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103. |
May 6, 18:47 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
cliffski |
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107. |
May 6, 18:49 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
Lorcin |
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109. |
May 6, 18:51 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
Jerykk |
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110. |
May 6, 18:52 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
Fion |
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114. |
May 6, 18:55 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
Lorcin |
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105. |
May 6, 18:49 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
Parallax Abstraction |
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106. |
May 6, 18:49 |
Re: Great Post I Found |
Paketep |
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95. |
May 6, 18:40 |
No subject |
manic half |
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132. |
May 6, 19:26 |
Lost 2 Sales |
Darkhand Brackstone |
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135. |
May 6, 19:35 |
Re: Lost 2 Sales |
Krovven |
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134. |
May 6, 19:35 |
/wave |
CrushBug |
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137. |
May 6, 19:37 |
Re: /wave |
Pr()ZaC |
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147. |
May 6, 20:01 |
Re: /wave |
manic half |
| |
145. |
May 6, 19:56 |
No subject |
Skoll |
| |
149. |
May 6, 20:12 |
No subject |
axelf |
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154. |
May 6, 20:45 |
Just my .02 |
muttbunch |
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165. |
May 6, 23:44 |
Re: Just my .02 |
Overon |
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166. |
May 7, 00:01 |
Re: Just my .02 |
Prez |
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168. |
May 7, 00:38 |
Re: Just my .02 |
Jerykk |
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170. |
May 7, 00:41 |
Re: Just my .02 |
Kedyn |
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221. |
May 7, 10:29 |
Re: Just my .02 |
zirik |
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222. |
May 7, 10:30 |
*NEWSFLASH* The sky is falling!! |
dsmart |
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171. |
May 7, 00:54 |
You're two cents short. |
>U |
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174. |
May 7, 01:11 |
Re: You're two cents short. |
Prez |
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169. |
May 7, 00:41 |
Well, it goes off my list again |
Creston |
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172. |
May 7, 00:54 |
Re: Well, it goes off my list again |
Prez |
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173. |
May 7, 00:57 |
Re: Well, it goes off my list again |
Jerykk |
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175. |
May 7, 01:14 |
Pay + Crack |
Ice Nine |
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178. |
May 7, 01:24 |
Re: Pay + Crack |
Jerykk |
| |
179. |
May 7, 01:27 |
Re: Pay + Crack |
Ice Nine |
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177. |
May 7, 01:20 |
No subject |
xXBatmanXx |
| |
208. |
May 7, 05:26 |
No subject |
Paketep |
| |
214. |
May 7, 08:24 |
No subject |
dryden555 |
| |
217. |
May 7, 08:50 |
No subject |
dryden555 |
| |
218. |
May 7, 09:01 |
No subject |
Z9000 |
| |
219. |
May 7, 09:18 |
Re: No subject |
InBlack |
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220. |
May 7, 10:21 |
Re: No subject |
dsmart |
| |
223. |
May 7, 10:35 |
Re: No subject |
InBlack |
| |
224. |
May 7, 10:44 |
Re: No subject |
dsmart |
| |
225. |
May 7, 10:46 |
Re: No subject |
Ecthelion |
| |
226. |
May 7, 10:51 |
Re: No subject |
dsmart |
| |
227. |
May 7, 10:56 |
Re: No subject |
InBlack |
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229. |
May 7, 11:29 |
Re: No subject |
Ecthelion |
| |
243. |
May 7, 14:14 |
Re: No subject |
Tumbler |
| |
228. |
May 7, 11:00 |
paradigm shift |
zirik |
| |
230. |
May 7, 11:30 |
Will it happen? |
necrosis |
| |
233. |
May 7, 12:25 |
Online authentication is a good idea |
LemonJoose |
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241. |
May 7, 13:39 |
Service Based |
Surf |
| |
244. |
May 7, 14:16 |
Re: Service Based |
Evil Timmy |
| |
245. |
May 7, 14:22 |
Re: Service Based |
Jerykk |
| |
251. |
May 7, 15:18 |
Re: Service Based |
Tigger |
| |
252. |
May 7, 15:24 |
Re: Service Based |
Jerykk |
| |
255. |
May 7, 15:41 |
Re: Service Based |
Tigger |
| |
264. |
May 7, 18:17 |
Re: Service Based |
Mashiki Amiketo |
| |
246. |
May 7, 14:25 |
mass effect |
Kxmode |
| |
274. |
May 7, 23:58 |
Re: mass effect |
Sepharo |
| |
248. |
May 7, 14:37 |
waiting no more! |
Kxmode |
| |
259. |
May 7, 16:54 |
Hardware copy protection |
Nighthawk |
| |
260. |
May 7, 17:00 |
Re: Hardware copy protection |
DarkCntry |
| |
261. |
May 7, 17:34 |
Re: Hardware copy protection |
dsmart |
| |
263. |
May 7, 18:11 |
Re: Hardware copy protection |
Tumbler |
| |
266. |
May 7, 19:07 |
Ding Ding Ding |
Tumbler |
| |
279. |
May 8, 12:28 |
No subject |
dryden555 |
| |
280. |
May 8, 13:05 |
Re: No subject |
Tumbler |
| |
281. |
May 8, 15:14 |
Re: No subject |
Kedyn |
| |
284. |
May 9, 00:29 |
Re: No subject |
Jerykk |
| |
286. |
May 9, 03:48 |
Re: No subject |
Kedyn |
| |
287. |
May 9, 08:43 |
Re: No subject |
InBlack |
| |
291. |
May 9, 13:21 |
Penny-Arcade |
Tumbler |
| |
292. |
May 9, 14:35 |
Re: Penny-Arcade |
Prez |
| |
294. |
May 10, 10:13 |
... |
theyarecomingforyou |
| |
295. |
May 11, 02:22 |
Re: ... |
Kosumo |
| |
297. |
May 11, 04:00 |
Re: ... |
Prez |
| |
298. |
May 11, 04:39 |
Re: ... |
Kosumo |
| |
303. |
May 12, 09:07 |
Re: ... |
Overon |
| |
304. |
May 12, 20:13 |
Re: ... |
Kedyn |
| |
305. |
May 12, 21:52 |
Re: ... |
Tumbler |
| |
306. |
May 13, 04:29 |
Re: ... |
Kosumo |
| |
296. |
May 11, 02:54 |
Ominous |
ibm |
| |
299. |
May 11, 08:57 |
Re: Ominous |
Bhruic |
| |
300. |
May 11, 12:58 |
Re: Ominous |
Prez |
| |
301. |
May 11, 18:45 |
Re: Ominous |
Dalumberjack |
| |
302. |
May 11, 21:11 |
Re: Ominous |
Tumbler |
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