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More on the State of PC Gaming

Valve Explains Why PC Gaming's Gaining Steam is a Gamasutra Q&A with Valve's Doug Lombardi, who posits that PC gaming is not as troubled as some recent indications have some believing, in part because revenue generated from services like Steam, things like WoW subscriptions, and more casual games are not included in most evaluations of the marketplace: "If you took Steam, Peggle, PopCap, WoW and mixed it with NPD numbers, the world looks a lot different. All of a sudden, it looks like PC's probably the biggest one, and year over year, the fastest-growing." In contrast, Midway Prepping Casual Portal, U.S. PC Market 'Softening', also on Gamasutra, reflects Midway's feelings that the PC market in the US is softening, though the PAL market is still strong (some of the comments from Valve mention their perspective is global, not just for North America). As a result Midway, who just announced a loss of $100 million for last year, say they will be producing more casual console games going forward, and are also preparing to open a casual games web portal "in the near future."

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32. Re: No subject Mar 9, 2008, 17:56 Gf11speed
 
My name is Batman. lol

 
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31. Re: No subject Mar 7, 2008, 16:21 Jerykk
 
Wait, is the enhanced edition of the Witcher already out?

Nope. Batman is referring to the original version. The new content of the enhanced edition will be available via patch to owners of the original so it doesn't really matter which version you buy.

 
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30. Re: No subject Mar 7, 2008, 15:07 Sepharo
 
Wait, is the enhanced edition of the Witcher already out?

 
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29. Re: No subject Mar 7, 2008, 12:32 xXBatmanXx
 
a great PC game like Witcher.

Mine should be arriving today or tomorrow. WOOT!

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28. No subject Mar 7, 2008, 12:21 dryden555
 
OK Fine, PC gaming is in trouble. Then let's hope the NEXT generation of consoles will have sufficient hardware in them so that framerates dont stutter (mass effect and many others). I like console games but they dont beat a great PC game like Witcher.

 
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27. No subject Mar 7, 2008, 11:42 Vindicus
 
The sky is not falling. PC, console, and handhelds have been around for ages (in different stages of evolution) and they all have a different depth of play. They're different markets entirely in my opinion and will continue to gather momentum on their own accord. Not all gaming publishers, developers and retailers are so eager to release their numbers anyway. I think it's also true that the successes of the PC gaming market are not so easy to track with the online component.

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26. No subject Mar 7, 2008, 10:52 xXBatmanXx
 
The only people that are bitching about the "poor state of gaming" are the ones who are FAILING at making even "good" games.

Midway? Come on, they have been at the butt end of jokes for years.

who just announced a loss of $100 million
Could easily make that up by slashing executive bonuses.....since they obviously don't deserve them!

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25. Re: No subject Mar 7, 2008, 10:51 Mr. Tact
 
You're getting the 9600 and the 9800 confused. The 9600 is the cheap midstep. Just like the 8600 and the 8800.
AHHHH... thank you. Yes, that must be exactly what I am doing.
 
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24. Re: No subject Mar 7, 2008, 10:46 Fang
 
I thought the 9800 wasn't supposed to be better than the 8800, wasn't it going to be a cheap mid-step? Guess I missed the boat on that one...

You're getting the 9600 and the 9800 confused. The 9600 is the cheap midstep. Just like the 8600 and the 8800.

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23. Re: 100% Console Mar 7, 2008, 10:45 Fang
 
Where do you shop for your console games?

No place that I know of in the US will accept an opened console game or DVD for a full or partial refund. They will only do exchanges. And don't tell me about the one sales clerk who is your buddy who let's you do it on the side.

And if you think Gamestop's policy of buying it from you used after you open it, in any way counts as a "return", well, they're laughing all the way to the bank at your expense. There are much cheaper ways of renting games (console and PC) than Gamestop's used game business.

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22. No subject Mar 7, 2008, 08:58 Mr. Tact
 
I thought the 9800 wasn't supposed to be better than the 8800, wasn't it going to be a cheap mid-step? Guess I missed the boat on that one...  
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21. 100% Console "Demo's" Mar 7, 2008, 08:38 necrosis
 
Something I was thinking about. I think console games have inflated sales numbers from the sole fact that you can buy a console game, and if you don't like it you can return it for almost fill purchase price (sometimes). That return rate is not factored into sales figures (to the best of my knowledge).

Us PC gamers have to be selective in what we buy because no one will take back opened PC software. The state of game demos is piss poor at best. Some games never get them, or do not get one till long after retail release. Some people also resort to BitTorrent to "try out" games because of this and if the game sucks (or deamed not worth the money) they just keep their cracked version. Im not even going to get into draconian DRM, that horse has been beaten to death.

 
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20. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 07:00  cliffski 
 
Your decent gaming rig does other stuff though. My Nintendo wii has 1 game I want to play (wii sports) and apparently can tell me the weather,. big fucking deal.
My PC lets me surf, bank, shop, use email, store holiday photos, watch BBC iplayer, do home video editing, and develop games.
Oh, plus it lets me play them too. A vast catalog of games that dwarfs any console list.
You can't compare a PC with a console. The console is generally a one trick pony, maybe two tricks at best.


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19. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 04:56 Cutter
 
PC gaming used to be a limited market and consoles were really shit till the 2nd generation. Now it's a flood of utter shit and mediocre titles on both platforms - considerably more on consoles. And given the sheer volume of console games that have sold piss poor vs. PC games - per capita I'm sure PC gaming still comes out far ahead for return on investment. Or at least a did untill developers started pushing unfinished junk and shitty console ports out the door and calling them PC games and then wonder why people weren't paying for them. Couple that with the exorbinant price of a good gaming rig every 2-3 years and you know why PC gaming isn't 'all that and a bag of chips'. If Nvidia/ATI and every other PC mainstream producer can't find a way to get a hell of a lot more aggressive on cost control then PC gaming will continue to decline.

As we all point out constantly, spending 2 grand every 3 years for a higher end gaming rig just isn't feasible. Particularly when the fucking video card costs more than a console itself.


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18. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 04:08 elefunk
 
BioShock had 80k reported sales in just over one fucking week. Crysis had 88k sales in two weeks.


Crysis sold a million worldwide, and was *not* on Steam. So don't try to pass bullshit about BioShock not selling well on PC when it put up better NPD figures than a million+ seller in addition to being on the biggest digital distribution platform in the world.

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17. No subject Mar 7, 2008, 03:33 Sepharo
 
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Please tell us how the last developer making good PC games for PC gamers sucks so much again.

 
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16. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 02:17 Prez
 
Don't forget Bioshock was distributed via Steam (how I got it - NO DRM ISSUES WHATSOEVER!!!) and D2D, and neither site's sales are reported along with retail numbers. Bioshock absolutely KILLED on PC.

I'll be the first to admit, Valve sucks at keeping deadlines, and Steam royally sucked its first year, but I absolutely LOVE Valve. These guys are championing the PC market while everyone else is whining their asses off.
 
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15. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 01:36 Beaner
 
Valve makes great games because they do design them around the PC not the reverse. I just love Valve more and more everyday. Even considering Steam. At least Steam hasnt had a bad effect on the games themselves other than soem of them being so integrated with it.
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14. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 01:32 nin
 
They sold about 80,000 units in the first month on the PC

His numbers are for August, and the game came out on August 21st.

So if those are correct, it sold 80K, in it's first two weeks of retail...

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13. Re: valve Mar 7, 2008, 01:02 mittens
 
I wouldn't say Bioshock PC sold particularly well. They sold about 80,000 units in the first month on the PC as opposed to the nearly 500,000 units that it sold on the 360.

 
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