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But Microsoft released those features after they recieved a lot of grumbling from their customers, not through any sign of goodwill. You are dead wrong. Backward compatibility for the newer editions was on the release media. Forward compatibility for the older editions was available shortly after the new version was released. Regardless of the motivations the bottom line is that Microsoft accomodated its customers' wishes. It did NOT disable functionality of its customers' older software as Valve did.
And do you really think so? Well, let's see...what about the multiplayer games that require you to use their service for multiplayer? Like Warcraft/Starcraft? Or GPGnet for Supreme Commander? And then you have games with such crappy multiplayer supports that you wish they had some sort of service like those, like Ghost Recon 2 when it first came out. I would take those over Steam because in addition to its restrictions and limitations, Steam forces that an entirely different version of the game be run than what is on the release media and it forces updates whether customers want them or not. For example, the current Steam release of Counterstrike 1 contains embedded advertising and tracking. If customers don't want the ads they are shit-out-of-luck because they can't downgrade to a previous version and still play online.
So let me see, you like Half-life and Half-life 2, and yet here you are calling them crap? I have written nothing in this thread about what I think about the quality of Valve's specific games, and Half-Life 1 & 2 are far from the only things for sale on Steam. However a great deal of what is available on Steam is crap especially crap that didn't sell well when it was released into the retail channel.
Is Red Orchestra crap as well? I have never played it, but since it requires Steam I never will.
Or The Ship? Since it requires Steam, I won't play it, but from the descriptions it sounds like some real crap.
How about Team Fortress 2 when it comes out? Team Fortress 2 looks like a retread of the same old gameplay and venues of Team Fortress Classic with some new visuals. It's too early to definitively declare it crap, but it's not looking too good to me.
Personally, I'm not doing anything to warrant the removal of my ability to play games, Unfortunately for you that is not enough because you don't make that determination. Valve does. And, in addition you have no express rules to even know what to do or not to do.
If you're so violently opposed to Steam, then don't use it. I don't, but that means that I cannot play any of the games I purchased from Valve which predate Steam online.
Your arguments here are doing nothing to convince people it's evil It certainly does make some at least reconsider their opinions on the matter even if they don't admit it or reply.
I've had no major problems with Steam, so I'm not going to hate it simply because someone else has. Well I don't believe in waiting to be burned myself to realize that fire is hot. The numerous reported outages and unavailability of Steam since its release coupled with its tenuous nature by design and Valve's poor customer service policies and practices have clearly demonstrated to me that I should not waste money on it when it could disappear tomorrow.
Though I will say that EA is on my shitlist. Despite the fact that so many who frequent this forum complain about EA, I have only had good experiences with its customer service department over the years. Many years ago I got some free replacement media from it by simply calling its customer service department, and once it re-issued a CD key for C&C Renegade to me with minimal hassle and wait. That is not to say that I agree with EA on its game release and support policies, but its customer service department and policies have been head and shoulders above those I have read about Valve's.
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Apr 19, 12:01 |
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