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13. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 28, 2007, 10:46 Bet
 
I keep the flashy effects on, turning off only the feature that keeps maximizes/minimizes non-instantaneous for aesthetic reasons. Eye candy all the way on otherwise.

And I will not switch to Vista because of it, though I *will* switch to Vista if someone can't figure out how to hack DX10 into XP. The idea of a roughshod DX10 hack in XP excites the inner geek in me, and I've got my fingers crossed. Otherwise, it's on to Vista as soon as Alan Wake nears release

 
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12. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 28, 2007, 09:23 Armengar
 
I (personally) cannot see the point in vista. It does nothing more for me than XP. I turn off all flashy effects and make things look as basic as possible as I prefer functionality over aesthetics. Windows 2000 was the best operating system for me.

 
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11. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 27, 2007, 08:46 Rolphus
 
Dante,

Thanks for taking this in the spirit it's intended

I think you've missed the point very slightly - on new hardware (i.e. Core Duo/Athlon X2 and up), Vista is slightly faster than XP in day-to-day use, in my personal experience. On my P4-class machine, it is admittedly slightly slower.

I'm not planning to roll Vista out to anyone here (I run the IT department for a company with about 120 machines) until I absolutely have to. I've only just got everyone stabilized on XP, and I'm damned if I'm doing it all over again. There are some Vista features I like the look of, notably the enormous number of extra Group Policy settings that you can control, but there's nothing hugely compelling for me right now.

I'm absolutely not saying "EVERYONE UPGRADE!" - but to blanket accuse Vista of being very slow is simply false.

Oh, and to the guy that's calling me a shill - grow up. I might use Windows heavily at work, but at home I have a G4 PowerBook and an Intel iMac, along with my standard Windows gaming machine. I don't feel particularly strongly about Vista one way or the other. In fact, I still find XP much more comfortable to use day-to-day.

That said, I have spent a good amount of time reading and dissecting articles about Vista's architecture, and I do believe that, given a bit of time for hardware manufacturers to get a handle on the final codebase, it will end up being faster for newer games. Older games with much smaller command batch numbers will probably see little-to-no difference, although Vista's slightly smarter process scheduler might allow games to run a very small amount faster by bumping all non-game tasks to another core in a multicore setup.

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10. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 27, 2007, 06:41 Dante_uk
 
"I could approach this by attacking your spelling and grammar, or lack thereof. Instead, I'm going to disagree with you in a civil way. "
I've always been an easy target on spelling and grammar, that's why I prefer to program computers, fewer key words to learn how to spell and nice and simple grammar rules

Basically to sum you up, next year with reasonable hardware Vista will be fine and dandy and do everything at a reasonable speed.
Well thats great, but just how much faster and easier will things be if we all just stuck with XP? - XP's not getting any slower and throwing more resources at it will always make it even faster.
I'd rather up grade hardware to make my system faster, not to make my Vista install run at the same speed as my XP install already does!

PS: I have been playing and testing the Vista beta and if I didn't have to have it on my work machine for compatibility testing I wouldn't bother with it.
My desktop was the only one in our office that met the min reqs to install on anyway. Even then I had to upgrade my video card at home so I could add a DX9 card to my work machine because without DX9 hardware Vista is slower and looks worse than XP!!
With DX9 hardware it looks good but some things are still slow, try the slideshow feature, it dropped the resolution to 640x480(I think) and still looked like it was chugging, yet that video card can play Doom3 at 1024x768 and give higher frame rates!!

PPS: My linux install in a virtual machine with emulated S3 video(no acceration) can do transparency on window and menus etc!! M$ can't give you those effects with DX9 hardware and even then it's not quick!

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9. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 27, 2007, 03:30 Flo
 
I'll stick with my 360 and leave my Windows XP alone for another two years  
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8. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 27, 2007, 01:21 Riley Pizt
 
Games are slower in Vista at the moment, mostly because GPU drivers are still a long way from optimised
I think that is a crock. Vista has been in development for many years and in test release status for hardware developers for at least two years. It can't simply be an optimization issue unless every hardware developer is incredibly inept.

I think the problem is simply that the supposed emulation/translation of DirectX 9 and older games on Vista simply takes a large performance penalty, and Microsoft doesn't want to admit it.

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7. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 23:24 Masa
 
Comparing Vista to a Ford Escort. The former is a total system hog while the latter is very decent on gas. Good analogy

 
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6. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 19:33 Acleacius
 
"I could approach this by attacking your spelling and grammar, or lack thereof. Instead, I'm going to disagree with you in a civil way."
Really?
Too bad, your talking points are generalized and inaccurate maybe spelling and grammar would have yielded you something?

We all know how important spelling and grammar are to the fundamental principals of reality and how not using them anally would keep reality from even existing


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5. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 17:13 Awesome Spume
 
I could approach this by attacking your spelling and grammar, or lack thereof. Instead, I'm going to disagree with you in a civil way.

I could attack you by approaching your avoidance of the actual issues. Instead I'll call you a shill.

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4. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 17:02 Narf2029
 
still just a Ford Escort

Hey, people rally race Ford Escorts you know. Those cars are awesome. My old Escort climbed a rocky, muddy mountain that a bunch of 4x4 trucks couldn't handle.

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3. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 13:27 Rolphus
 
I could approach this by attacking your spelling and grammar, or lack thereof. Instead, I'm going to disagree with you in a civil way.

I've been testing Vista since the earlyish Beta days, and while I admittedly haven't had a chance to play with the RTM version (stupid MSDN subscription lapsed and I've not had time to renew it), RC1 and RC2 were both very nearly as quick in desktop use and overall "snappiness" on my P4/1GB RAM box. On my gf's 24" iMac (Core2Duo, 2GB RAM), Vista is overall smoother and faster to use than XP, simply because it's better set up for multicore processors.

Yes, Vista is RAM-hungry at startup, but a huge amount of that gets paged out the moment the machine actually NEEDS the RAM.

I agree that the interface is, in places, rather more "dumbed down" than power users are used to, but that's been the case with every version of just about every operating system in history.

Architecturally, Vista should run better than XP on newer hardware, and the re-architected DirectX pipeline will mean that games should see a real-world performance benefit.

Games are slower in Vista at the moment, mostly because GPU drivers are still a long way from optimised, but I fully expect Vista to overtake XP by a slim but significant margin on modern hardware.

 
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2. Re: Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 13:15 banddirector
 

still just a Ford Escort - it will most likely go slower and use more petrol; so do you think anyone with brains is really going to be impressed by it?


Pretty good illustration ...


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1. Downgrading to Vista. Jan 26, 2007, 12:16 Dante_uk
 
Requirements for Downgrading to Vista.
More Memory ( 1gb min for usability )
More Processor power
More disk space
Full Frontal Lobotomy

It may look pretty but don't expect it to run any quicker and don't expect it too be easier to use if you're a serious PC user.
Still, the lobotomy will help by providing:
a) an excuse for drooling over the eye candy
b) help you forget that Tranparentency and such were available in Linux and Mac OSX long before Vista was released.
c) stop you feeling patronized and insulted by all the dumbing down that M$ have done to it

If you have a good old Ford Escort and you add a skirt, a spoiler, paint go-faster-strips down the side, replace the back seat with giant speakers to deafen the neighbours - it's

still just a Ford Escort - it will most likely go slower and use more petrol; so do you think anyone with brains is really going to be impressed by it?

 
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