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The 4D Rulers Website has word that the licensing fees for the Amp II engine have been cut in half, presumably part of their recent fund raising effort. Word is: "We just cut ALL our prices in half, and upgraded the professional license package to allow unlimited users per project. So for $1000 bucks your whole team can use the engine and make a commercial game. Also, the upcoming 1.4 version has physics support, which users will be able to upgrade for free. 1.4 will also come with an extensive model and texture library, and our new max 7-8 plugin. Personal use licenses are just $99, perfect for hobby or casual use."

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20. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 15:39 Jerykk
 
That's a nice list except how many of those games will be any good? The majority of those games look like they're coming from an Eastern European developer (the adventure games in particular). Also look how many generic MMOs there are. Then you have to consider how many of those games will be released in a buggy, unpolished state. And how many will be delayed into 2008. Finally, how many high-profile games are on the list?

A nice list but I'm only interested in about 5 of those games and truly hyped about none.

 
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19. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 15:12 nin
 
Real reason for the post: http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1073842430 - PC Gaming 2007.


Yeah, PC gaming sure is dying, all right.



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18. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 14:48 Johnny
 
Yes yes, PC gaming is almost dead. Just like the Mac. Walking dead since 1984.

Anyway. Real reason for the post: http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1073842430 - PC Gaming 2007.

 
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17. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 14:05 Fartacus
 
Ion Storm did great with Deus Ex, and then along comes Romero who's gonna make you his bitch.

I agree with your post, but you got the chronology wrong on the above. Romero came along to make you his bitch, then Ion Storm Austin released Deus Ex. Sorry for nitpicking.

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16. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 09:55 Riley Pizt
 
Man, I just LOVE these posts of 4D Rulers begging for money,
Learn to read. This news story is about 4D Rulers selling its game engine NOT begging for money.


 
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15. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 08:55 The Half Elf
 
Well alot of the PC devs dieing isn't due to lack of interest, but look at what ya listed. Besides Looking Glass (and maybe Black Isle, Dynamix) there were major problems with the games.
Ion Storm did great with Deus Ex, and then along comes Romero who's gonna make you his bitch. Deus Ex 2 wasn't bad, but there was more emphasis on the console side of it and a 'new nifty graphics renderer'. Troika suffered from bug hemmorage.

And then add Bethsoft to the list of 'Console Crap first' PC gaming second with Oblivion and Star Trek Legacy.

As for the MMO Market. Look at what Blizzard did do. They went from a very rich RTS universe and put it into a MMO. Honestly I'm more interested in MMO attempts by companies that haven't done one, rather then Sony's 'next best thing'.

 
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14. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 05:24 Jerykk
 
Actually, there are a number of good supporting facts towards the demise of PC gaming:

1) Sharp increase in cross-platform development: How many high-profile games are exclusive to the PC anymore?

2) Original PC franchises moving over to consoles: Ghost Recon, R6, Far Cry, C&C, DX, Thief, Elder Scrolls... GR2 never even came out for the PC. More and more franchises are making the transition to consoles first, PC maybe. Even if a game is eventually ported to the PC, it is often in a half-assed manner (refer to SC:DA and R6:V).

3) Stagnant sales charts: When you are guaranteed at least two Sims games on the top 10 sales chart every week, you know you're in trouble. You are also in trouble when you have games like Deal and No Deal and Desperate Housewives on the monthly charts. When filth like the Sims sells so well, why should publishers even try making good games?

4) Hordes of MMOs: When the market is flooded with worthless, uninspired, generic MMOs, the PC gaming world suffers. More and more good PC developers (Relic) are trying to get a piece of the MMO pie, taking the focus away from actually developing good games.

5) Renowned PC developers being bought by Microsoft and turned into 360 developers: Bungie (okay, they were Mac and PC), Bioware, Ensemble (yes, they were always owned by Microsoft but now they are making a console-only Halo RTS) and I'm sure other studios will succumb to the dark side.

6) Good PC developers constantly dying: Looking Glass Studios, Ion Storm, Dynamix, Black Isle, Troika... the list is growing and the number of good, original PC games is shrinking. The people who keep the Sims on the topsellers list are responsible for these tragedies... may they die painfully in a very slow manner.

As you can see, PC gaming is in bad shape. Sure, it might survive on MMOs and Sims but really, what kind of existence is that? Better off dead and buried. If PC gaming ever reaches that state, I'm done.

 
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13. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 03:35 nin
 
This kind of indie development is where PC gaming is heading, nin... Unless you wanna jump to a straight console diet, I'd embrace this kind of endevour.

I just don't see how bashing these guys could be a positive for PC gaming, considering the sad state it's in, and the bleaker future it's headed for.


I'm sorry, I don't share your gloom and doom perspective. People have cried that pc gaming is dying for decades now. And look, it's still chugging along...

And I seriously (seriously) doubt 4D Rulers is going to make a dent, either way, based on their track record...

Here's screenshots of their latest product:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/patriotsanationunderfire/screenindex.html

Whoo-hoo! Mindblowing, isn't it???
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/311/935969_20061108_screen005.jpg





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12. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 03:22 Jerykk
 
I just don't see how bashing these guys could be a positive for PC gaming, considering the sad state it's in, and the bleaker future it's headed for.

I'd much rather give donations to Garage Games so they can make Tribes 4. Or bribe EIDOS to make a good DX3. Gore sucked and I really have no interest in Gore 2.

 
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11. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 02:43 nin
 

Thank you Dillon Storm (snicker) and your "out of control sexual perversion"...

Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Time for your medication Dude!



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10. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 02:35 Propagandhi
 
This kind of indie development is where PC gaming is heading, nin... Unless you wanna jump to a straight console diet, I'd embrace this kind of endevour.

I just don't see how bashing these guys could be a positive for PC gaming, considering the sad state it's in, and the bleaker future it's headed for.
 
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9. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 01:40 Hellbinder
 
ok, fine, here ya go...

Man, I just LOVE these posts of 4D Rulers begging for money, over and over and over. It never gets old! There's not a day that goes by that they don't look more and more desperate! Whoo-hoo! I wonder what they'll be pestering us with next week? And how much money they've raised? These weekly updates of how much more money they need are not enough! No sir, we need daily, no fuck it, hourly updates on how much money they still need! That would be SOOO cool! It's 11:39 PM, I wonder how much money they still need as of this very minute?????

Beg! Beg! Beg! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!






Better?

You are still as big of a brainless moron as you ever have been.

Idiocy like yours is actually something worth getting tired of. Not a couple of updates from a company trying to raise funds to make a game.
 
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8. Re: No subject Jan 7, 2007, 00:39 nin
 
Then, perhaps, you should stop reading about them... I really don't see why you took the time to reply to a post just to tell us you have no interest in the topic at hand ;p


ok, fine, here ya go...

Man, I just LOVE these posts of 4D Rulers begging for money, over and over and over. It never gets old! There's not a day that goes by that they don't look more and more desperate! Whoo-hoo! I wonder what they'll be pestering us with next week? And how much money they've raised? These weekly updates of how much more money they need are not enough! No sir, we need daily, no fuck it, hourly updates on how much money they still need! That would be SOOO cool! It's 11:39 PM, I wonder how much money they still need as of this very minute?????

Beg! Beg! Beg! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!






Better?





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7. Re: No subject Jan 6, 2007, 21:51 Propagandhi
 
Wow am I sick of hearing about these guys...

Then, perhaps, you should stop reading about them... I really don't see why you took the time to reply to a post just to tell us you have no interest in the topic at hand ;p


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6. Re: Good move Jan 6, 2007, 21:22 nin
 

Wow am I sick of hearing about these guys...

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5. Re: Good move Jan 6, 2007, 20:35 Propagandhi
 
Can you sell your game if you get the $100 version?

From their website: Limited to use on one computer system by one person. Games made with this license can be distributed through our upcoming shareware plan, released for free on the internet, submitted to publishers, used for non profit purposes. They cannot be sold, marketed or published without a professional license unless you opt to use our upcoming shareware plan. Comes with forum access for support.

All in all it's pretty flexible...
 
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4. Re: Good move Jan 6, 2007, 20:12 Shadowcat
 
Can you sell your game if you get the $100 version? The words "Personal use licenses are just $99, perfect for hobby or casual use" make it sound very much as if it's a non-commercial deal. If so, then I think Torque gives you a bit more freedom for your money.

 
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3. Re: Good move Jan 6, 2007, 19:40 Riley Pizt
 
With a $100 hobbyist price point, they're moving in on GarageGames' ground, which is a market I feel is untapped.
They've not just moved in, they've paved over it. Amp II at $100 offers much more for much less than either the basic version of Torque @ $150 or the shader engine version for $300.

which is a market I feel is untapped.
The low-cost 3D/game engine market is hardly untapped. There are dozens of good products at relatvely low prices or even free. GarageGames' offerings are far from the best or the least expensive.


 
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2. Good move Jan 6, 2007, 18:47 sponge
 
With a $100 hobbyist price point, they're moving in on GarageGames' ground, which is a market I feel is untapped.

 
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1. No subject Jan 6, 2007, 18:41 Overon
 
The only thing that is left is to turn tricks.

 
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