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Jun 13, 2006, 22:01 |
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but it would work even better as a LimitedORPG, like 6 players a la NWN in a GTA/Oblivion game engine(+VoIP). Add grapling hooks, ultralights, a few (non-lethal)weapons and your hacker could in realtime be opening security gates for you from the matrix.
*cries*
STOP FUCKING TEASING US SO!!!! 
Shit, if such a game ever came out, I would NEVER play anything else anymore. I would just log in and never come back out again.
Creston
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Jun 13, 2006, 10:08 |
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New Gamer PC = $2000 Monitor $500
New XBOX 360 = $500 Hidef TV $2000
Sigh.
First, let's get the display out of the equation. For the best display experience, I can hook either a console or a pc up to a kick ass ten-thousand dollar beamer or one of those 70 inch flatpanels. Most of us are going to use the tv/monitor we already have anyway, so the price of your display unit is doubly moot.
Then we get to console prices vs pc prices. In terms of game costs, the pc wins by about ten bucks for new games. In terms of hardware costs they pretty much break even, as a top-end kick-ass pc costs a grand. Unless you're willing to spend double for the gfx card/cpu which gives you a 3% increase inpower for double the cost (which isn't even early-adopter tax [that's what you spend on a new OLED/e-ink display] but idiot tax for those who don't know better or REALLY need that extra speed). A next gen console with all the trimmings (extra pads, memory crads, decent HD maybe that 200 buck HD-dvd player which will costs a pc person 50 bucks if he waits half a year) also goes for about a grand.
You break even in the end...except on a pc you also do office work, simualtions, design, 2d/3d work etc. And play the latest games, and have the option of buying a 150 buck gfx card which at the moment equals nextgen console hardware and in half a year will blow it away. And next years 100 buck low-end gfx card will immolate the next gen consoles.
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Jun 13, 2006, 09:55 |
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I think Shadowrun would work in a MMORPG, but it would work even better as a LimitedORPG, like 6 players a la NWN in a GTA/Oblivion game engine(+VoIP). Add grapling hooks, ultralights, a few (non-lethal)weapons and your hacker could in realtime be opening security gates for you from the matrix.
That would just ROCK.
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Jun 13, 2006, 09:49 |
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There's a greasemonkey scripts someone (wasn't that you, nin?) was kind enough to repost which blocks all war's posts from displaying on the Blue. I turned it off in the end because there's something kind of awesome about seeing an idiot drivel with such conviction.
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Jun 13, 2006, 05:29 |
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Here we go again...
.....And I say six is better than half a dozen, so get it right up youse!
(call it pre-emptive  )
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Jun 13, 2006, 01:19 |
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A lot of Shadowrun fans are livid over the game but FASA seems very confident of its gameplay. They said people who have have spent a decent amount of time with it get horribly addicted to it so maybe theres something to salvage there. They also said they haven't ruled out other SR based games. Those FASA guys are a bunch of fucktards. That anyone could make such a pathetically mediocre and derivative game with the Shadowrun license is simply astounding. The whole lot of them should be banished from gaming for this tragic abuse of a great license.
Information doesn't want to be free, it wants to be tied up and spanked. It told me so itself, in a naughty little whisper. |
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Jun 12, 2006, 21:42 |
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It'd be ironic to see the PS2 outsell the PS3 for the exact same reason.
I can't believe that Sony isn't seeing these numbers and thinking to themselves, "How are we going to outsell a system that has more games, and is $200 cheaper, when our own older system is beating the shit out of the 360 for those exact same reasons?" Let's not forget that retailers will bundle the hell out of the PS3 so you can expect them to start at around $800 and go well over $1k. Hardcore gamers will eat that up just fine, but will mom and dad spend that much when junior can get a shiny new Wii or Xbox360 for literally hundreds of dollars less? The better question is: will junior really want a PS3 over the other 2? Frankly, I don't see why he would.
I agree with you Creston, that it's too early to say that Sony is screwed, but the numbers are supporting what everybody already knows: people want to spend the least amount possible. The main reason I think that the PS3 will probably fail is because blu-ray is more expensive than hd-dvd and offers very negligable gains in quality especially to the average consumer. It will be many years before HDTV is the mainstream viewing in the average household and most people cannot tell the difference between 720p, 1080i, and 1080p anyways. Why will people pay $X more for a DVD that doesn't look any better to them? We are already seeing HD-DVDs pop up at $30+ and they are cheaper than what blu-ray discs will be (by a long shot too). And why will they pay $X more for a blu-ray player that doesn't look any better to them either?
Sony has made some very interesting decisions...ones that will probably make or break the company in coming couple of years.
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Jun 12, 2006, 21:21 |
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What does PS3 have that Xbox1 didnt have already. Network card? xbox had that, Hard drive? xbox had that, Hi def games? xbox had that, Online service? xbox had that Nvidia Graphics card? xbox had that also.
Your argument is flawed. In that same vein, what does the Xbox360 have that the original Xbox didn't have?
Oh wait, really nothing. (Well, I guess the marketplace qualifies as SOMETHING.)
The PS3 has better graphics, which is all it really needs. We're talking console gamers, after all.
That said, S_DOG makes a good point in that the PS2 is probably outselling the Xbox360 by a good margin because it's cheap. It'd be ironic to see the PS2 outsell the PS3 for the exact same reason.
Ofcourse, I fully expect Sony to completely stop any and all sales of the PS2 as soon as the PS3 hits the shelves.
Creston
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Jun 12, 2006, 21:16 |
Creston |
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Since the hardware is sold at a loss
Eh, you don't actually believe that Sony is still LOSING money on a PS2, do you? The parts of a PS2 combined probably cost about 15 dollars by now. This is no longer a "State of the Art" console we're talking about.
This is also why Sony really isn't all that worried about the 360 being out before them, and that they won't be able to put many units into retail, and don't really have any games worth showing yet.
Again, everyone who is proclaiming Sony's demise over what so far seems a lackluster PS3 launch is really jumping to conclusions. Let's see in two years how they are doing, and how much market share they've got.
Creston
Edit : but FASA seems very confident of its gameplay
Well shit, Hump, what else are they going to say? "Yeah, we agree, our game fucking sucks, please don't buy it?"
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Jun 12, 2006, 20:52 |
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New Gamer PC = $2000 Monitor $500
New XBOX 360 = $500 Hidef TV $2000
same price either way you go, and dont have to upgrade a graphics card which cost as mush as the 360 every year.
In my post I said I can't afford a 360 in addition to keeping my PC up to date. It's not a choice for me; I'm a PC gamer primarily so I won't simply switch to a 360.
AS far as next gen games being expensive I covered that in a previous post. There is only a $10 diff in price in the new games which is far from being obscene.
But my point is that most of the best PS2 games are now very cheap. I can save a lot of money and get a better gaming experience.
I'm not slamming the 360. I just don't see why anyone would bother paying full price for a new console. I'd rather wait for a cheaper price and better games.
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Jun 12, 2006, 20:05 |
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New Gamer PC = $2000 Monitor $500
Here we go again...
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Jun 12, 2006, 20:01 |
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First of all because it's cheap, and so are most of the great games for it. Second because the X360 console is too expensive to buy in addition to keeping my PC up to date. Third because the 'next generation' games are obscenely expensive. And fourth because there are extremely few 360 games I'm remotely interested in ... and most of them will be out on PC anyway.
Personally I can't understand why anyone would buy a new console before at least the second round of price cuts. If you can hold off a while, you get a cheaper console and much better selection of quality games. Kind of a no brainer
New Gamer PC = $2000 Monitor $500
New XBOX 360 = $500 Hidef TV $2000
same price either way you go, and dont have to upgrade a graphics card which cost as mush as the 360 every year.
AS far as next gen games being expensive I covered that in a previous post. There is only a $10 diff in price in the new games which is far from being obscene.
As far as being few games, its a new system yet has had more games come out for it then PC has. While most will be on PC as you suggested, I would rather play on a 52" hidef widescreen versus a 20" monitor anyday. Besides consoles are for sport and racing games anyway. I cant get my friends around my computer for a game of football, burnout, or table tennis.
As far as price cuts? Well if ps3 is $200 more the 360 why would Microsoft cut prices on the 360 anytime soon? It will be this time next year before price cuts happen, and that will only happen if there is a huge slump in sales for both systems, which I do not see happening.
While I do not discount what you are saying as its merly opinion, I am just offering mine.
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Jun 12, 2006, 19:48 |
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post 19 hit it on the head. Notice the increase in ps2 sales came after they annouced the price of the ps3. The lack of quality titles at launch for the ps3 means that you will be playing ps2 games mostly anyway, so why not save $600 and buy a ps2 and wait for the price to go down next year sometime.
I do think 360 is the way to go for next gen. What does PS3 have that Xbox1 didnt have already. Network card? xbox had that, Hard drive? xbox had that, Hi def games? xbox had that, Online service? xbox had that Nvidia Graphics card? xbox had that also. Only improvement PS3 will have over Xbox is in the next gen graphics and I can get that with the 360 now.
As far as price of next gen games, I dont keep the 360 games long after I beat them, I trade them in for $20-$30 after I beat them so I really only spend around $30 to play and beat a new 360 game. If I buy it used and use the Edge card I save 10% on the purchase and get 10% extra to trade back in. Its win/win for me.
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Jun 12, 2006, 19:44 |
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how many of those PS2 owners would be wishing they had saved a bit and bought a 360 later.
Lol, six one way, half a dozen another. The 360's game selection isn't anywhere near the PS2's, especially when combined with the PSX, if you go that way.
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Jun 12, 2006, 18:55 |
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I wouldn't call myself a 'casual' gamer, but I just bought a PS2 a couple of weeks ago. First of all because it's cheap, and so are most of the great games for it. Second because the X360 console is too expensive to buy in addition to keeping my PC up to date. Third because the 'next generation' games are obscenely expensive. And fourth because there are extremely few 360 games I'm remotely interested in ... and most of them will be out on PC anyway.
Personally I can't understand why anyone would buy a new console before at least the second round of price cuts. If you can hold off a while, you get a cheaper console and much better selection of quality games. Kind of a no brainer.
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Jun 12, 2006, 18:38 |
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It's kind of funny about the console sales numbers really. Think about it: PS2 is selling because it's cheap ($129) and has tons of games out for it. The PS3 is going to be hellaciously expensive (at least $800 with the required bundles) and is going to have a very small library of games.
Sony, the numbers are right there in front of you. Can you not see what the market wants? The XBOX360 is cheaper than the PS3 will be, has way more games, and is getting crushed by an ancient but inexpensive console. How does this point to good PS3 sales in any way? Is this thing on?
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Jun 12, 2006, 18:34 |
S_DOG34 |
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No fucking hacking and cybercombat? Are you kidding me? This is a travesty. They have totally ignored the most interesting and unique part of the original game. I was expecting it to be bad, but I wasn't expecting them to just leave out gameplay features from the old game.
Why even call it a shadowrun game? It looks like a really lame MMORPG without the MMO. Sad...so very sad.
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Jun 12, 2006, 18:30 |
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It is very confusing why so many people are still buying PS2's to me, but I guess I'm not a casual gamer...
It's cheap and has a large selection of games presently available.
What the hell is a 'casual' gamer anyways?
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Jun 12, 2006, 17:37 |
Hump |
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A lot of Shadowrun fans are livid over the game but FASA seems very confident of its gameplay. They said people who have have spent a decent amount of time with it get horribly addicted to it so maybe theres something to salvage there. They also said they haven't ruled out other SR based games.
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Jun 12, 2006, 17:07 |
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how many of those PS2 owners would be wishing they had saved a bit and bought a 360 later.
I see it more like this.
For X amount of dollars you can buy last generation of hardware and get all your games for free OR
you can pay X*2 for cutting edge technology yet also have to pay for your games.
Since the hardware is sold at a loss, i think it would be more relevant to look at game purchases ratio per console sold.
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