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Crysis will support both DirectX 9 and DirectX 10, which means that you can run it on a Windows XP PC, as well as an upcoming Windows Vista PC So let's all tell Microsoft to fuck themselves with Vista, and just stick with DX9. Creston

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 21:26

When you go to the grocery store, do you buy the most expensive toilet paper, since it MUST BE THE BEST, since it costs more? I do. I only wipe my ass with Golden Silk toiler paper. None of this inferior crap that you proletarian pleebs use Creston

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 21:23

It's a possibility, but I bet several of the top RPG houses would drop everything on their plates if they could do Shadowrun. I think their publishers who just paid them to do a game would not look on that kindly From what I always read/heard from FASA, the license for the game always belonged fully to MS. I guess we'll see. I think this will be just the first of a bunch of Shadowrun games. Creston

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Re: No subject

May 10, 2006, 21:21

I'm very excited about how DX10 might give gaming a well needed boost in flexibility and performance. There's alot more than just draw call optimization that is going to make the lives of developers easier. Geometry shaders, draw calls, caps bits, etc... That does make sense. Thanks for the explanation DrEvil! Creston

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I think everyone can relax

May 10, 2006, 21:18

I read in a company of heroes preview on fuckspot that the game WILL support DX9 AND DX10 natively. So apparently, it really ISN'T all that hard to develop for both, and Devs really are NOT going to be so fucking stupid as to just say goodbye to xx million gamers that run DX9, all because MS wants them to put 501 objects on screen instead of 500. Breathe in... Breathe out... The world is not ending... You can all relax. Creston

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 18:13

MacD

Hahahahahahahahhaha! Man, you really should learn how to tweak your games

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No subject

May 10, 2006, 16:58

TorTorden

Playing Oblivion on my two year old 9800xt and having fun




---------------------------- Yes, I abuse grammar by opening my mouth.

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 16:31

nin, I was referring to Zathus not you. And of course I will still keep my ex-high end PC so I can do that stuff too. I will be buying a seperate HDDVD player since I have a dedicated HT - my PC is upstairs. At this point I'm thinking of running the 360 off my 19" monitor and getting a cheap 5.1 system, so the PC and the 360 will be in one area. I can take the 360 downstairs to my projector when I want HD gaming. Very hard to do with my PC obviously.

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 16:26

Honestly I don't get your point.

My point was that an upgrade shouldn't run two grand.

And I'm not trying to give you flack, at all.

The next console "upgrade" will again only be the cost of a vid card.

Sure. But while you're playing the 360, I'm:

playing games

paying my bills online

shopping on the internet

editing video

creating dvds

recording TV

emailing friends and family

Sure you pay more. And you do more.

And in a few years, when your framerates suck on the 360, you're stuck. PCs are modular. You don't have to replace EVERYTHING at once. You can up the memory. You can up the video card. And if you researched your purchase, you can even upgrade the proc. And w/o buying the top of the line, you can do any those for under $400, the price of your 360.

Oh, and BTW: Your HDDVD drive for your 360? Thats going to run you another $200. See here:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure. Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling...

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 16:23

You are wrong about the xBox360 GPU. Don't confuse clock speeds with architecture. And stop being an insulting prick. In real life you'd get pummelled. http://www.techreport.com/etc/2005q2/xbox360-gpu/index.x?pg=1

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 16:19

Zathrus

I am on AGP currently so the Asus stands $230 Look, would you please put the crack pipe down? Newegg doesn't carry the Asus A8R-MVP board, but a number of other retailers do. For right about $100. And, again, the CPU you're buying is on the stupid end of the price/performance curve. The 3800+ has 90% of the performance for half the price. Don't want the "bottom end" X2? Fine. Buy a 4200+ for $360. That's less than 2/3 the price for >90% of the performance. Frankly, I doubt you'll ever notice the difference between any of the processors -- the rest of the system is likely to be bottlenecked first. Oh, and I did make a mistake in my previous post -- it should've been $700, not $600. Whatever videocard you are recommending is already woefully obsolete. By those benchmarks, every single video card on the market is woefully obsolete. But if you go to the next page where they step the graphics down somewhat you'll notice that the X1800XT does exceptionally well. And since you're so obsessed with the Crossfire boards, hey, look -- the X1800XT Crossfire does exceptionally well in their high end test and blows the doors off everything else for price/performance as well. Buy one now, buy another when it's <$150 (you know, in ~6 months). And, to quote from your latest misguided ramblings: An xBox360 will do the same scene at 35 FPS with HDR and higher res for a package price of $450 No it won't. The Xbox360's GPU is less powerful than an X1900XTX. So how do you think it's managing that? It's using far lower quality textures, a much smaller draw distance, it's not actually rendering at anywhere close to the output resolution (it's called scaling), and is making various other cheats so that at this point you're comparing apples to bicycle tires. Make your PC do something vaguely equivalent to what the Xbox360 is actually outputting and you'll easily best its alleged 35 fps (which is an utterly invalid frame rate for HDTV -- yet more evidence that scaling and other tricks are going on).

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 16:02

Honestly I don't get your point. Since you are playing it with a 6800, you know that your FPS can drop to 18-25 fps if you fight outdoors with 2-3 enemies, nothing else going on. No HDR and at medium settings. An xBox360 will do the same scene at 35 FPS with HDR and higher res for a package price of $450. When FEAR 360 comes out it will render better than your machine could the original game. You will not be able to play Crysis with decent FPS without an upgrade. The xBox360 will do Lost Planet and Gears of War with no upgrade. Meanwhile, you'll be getting ready for DX10 and Vista, possibly a new CPU, MB and DDR2. Its a neverending cycle of upgrades just to keep the mouse and keyboard. The next console "upgrade" will again only be the cost of a vid card. All I'm saying is that given the 360 lineup looking this good its getting hard to justify holding out for a keyboard + Mouse for all the extra cost.

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 15:47

There is a difference between 10 FPS when we are talking about low FPS in combat.

Well, that was your example, wasn't it?

You said 10 FPS...

Have you played Oblivion? What card are you running? I'm using an x850XT right now and it is stressed.

Yeah, I'm running it on a 6800GT. The difference between you and I is I don't crank exerything to max and demand it run at a rock solid constant 60 FPS...

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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure. Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling...

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 15:38

There is a difference between 10 FPS when we are talking about low FPS in combat. Have you played Oblivion? What card are you running? I'm using an x850XT right now and it is stressed. EDIT: I'm sure you are right about the upgrade license. My last upgrade was 95->XP so there was no upgrade license. So now its $1400. You still have to recognize that a console system is the cost of a good video card upgrade at less frequency. Even at $1000 the PC upgrade should be questioned given the E3 xBox360 lineup - which really was my original point. This comment was edited on May 10, 15:42.

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 15:33

When the x1800XT is at ~20 FPS and the x1900xtx is at ~30 FPS in combat the card pays for itself.

I'm not familiar w/ ATI chipset prices. But pricegrabber shows the 1800XT for $299.

So, to use your example, you're talking about an extra 10FPS, for an extra $150?

And what about the Windows licenses?

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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure. Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling...

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 15:28

When you go and buy a car, do you buy every single option they try to sell you on? I drive an M3 so yup! Listen, you might be happy with an x1800xt - but in Oblivion that means 2/3 the FPS of an x1900xtx at an Oblivion gate. Thats where it counts - not when both cards are getting over 40FPS. When the x1800XT is at ~20 FPS and the x1900xtx is at ~30 FPS in combat the card pays for itself.

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Re:Shadowrun

May 10, 2006, 15:17