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Sep 13, 2005, 09:29 |
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I wonder why novels are a forbbiden taboo when it comes to ratings but games are not? There's lots of sex in violence in some novels and they are infinitely "mod'able" by anyone with a basic understanding of a word processor.
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It sounds very tough |
Sep 13, 2005, 08:59 |
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But the ESRB has no power to inflict "punitive" actions, if by that they mean financial penalties or anything. The worst they could do is either make the game AO, or actually REMOVE their rating from said game.
That said, it wasn't that hard to see this coming after the whole Hot Coffee debacle in which the ESRB was made to look like a bunch of incompetent mongrels, and they're flapping their wings to show their importance to the gaming industry.
As for the third party modifications, I still fail to see why they get their panties in a knot over this. Put a damn sticker on the box that says "The ESRB rating is only valid for the game as is included in this box. Any modification made to this game by any source will invalidate the rating."
Voila and done.
Creston
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Sep 13, 2005, 08:46 |
The Half Elf |
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Don't they teach proper capitalization in high school either?
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Sep 13, 2005, 08:38 |
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Nobody's trying to mess with 3rd party mods. ESRB is concerned with developer created content. They are trying to make sure that everything the developers put on the disk, ESRB is aware of. That's it.
Read the last paragraph again. It certainly sounds ominous, even though I doubt they could do anything.
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sarcasm |
Sep 13, 2005, 08:01 |
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Finally, the ESRB addresses third-party 'mod' content which could potentially change the game's suitability, but was not inserted by the game's developer, commenting: "ESRB remains concerned about third party modifications that undermine the accuracy of the original rating, and we are exploring ways to maintain the credibility of the rating system with consumers in light of modifications of this nature."
OK, so once they got that covered, what are they going to do if I take a Sharpie and draw pr0nographic figuires on my monitor while plyaing a game?
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Sep 13, 2005, 07:37 |
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It has no relevance to the original quote as they don't decide 'what we play, how we play it nor how much we pay'... You'll learn that about Riley Shitz. Don't let facts or relevance get in the way of a good chance to make a stupid comment.
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Sep 13, 2005, 06:09 |
The Half Elf |
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The problem is Rockstar knowingly left material in the game that was never meant to be accessed, full well knowing that the PC Community would find it. It took less then 2 weeks for it to be found. I mean the GTA PC Games have been torn apart 6 ways from Sunday, hell they even added multiplayer to it, what makes you think this wasn't gonna be found?
The most contriversal (spelling) easter egg/hidden etc before GTA:SA was the 2 guys kissing at the end of Maxis's SimCopter, which involved the person who added it being fired.
Not to mention the pile of bullshit that Rockstar pulled out of their collective ass's to cover their own, by blaming the uber leet hackers.
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Sep 13, 2005, 05:31 |
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Like that would be worse than what companies like Valve and Trymedia/Macrovision are doing right now. You'd just be trading one devil for another. WTF... Valve only make you install Steam if you want to play HL2 or their other games, and Macrovision is a copy protection system... It has no relevance to the original quote as they don't decide 'what we play, how we play it nor how much we pay'...
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Sep 13, 2005, 05:31 |
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Finally, the ESRB addresses third-party 'mod' content which could potentially change the game's suitability, but was not inserted by the game's developer, commenting: "ESRB remains concerned about third party modifications that undermine the accuracy of the original rating, and we are exploring ways to maintain the credibility of the rating system with consumers in light of modifications of this nature."/
So in other words if I buy a USA Today that has a picture of oh say Mrs. Clinton and I get my trusty exacto knife and some Elmers glue and cut out a naked body and glued it to her head..... never mind. I have come to the conclusion that people in politics (eps people like Clinton, Liberman, Rangle, and Dean) have got to be some of the stupidest people on the planet. I mean come on, anything can be modded in one way or another. Damn, I cant believe people are that stupid and didnt get eaten when they were young.
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Sep 13, 2005, 05:24 |
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Well call it soft porn then. Whatever. I don't think the amount of pubes visible is the issue here.
No, that is exactly the issue. People blowing things out of proportion and reacting like little children playing grown up. Remember Janet Jackson's tit at the superbowl?? Same deal.
What kind of responsibility do 3rd party modders have to the ESRB?? ABSOLUTELY NONE. Rockstar are responsible for reporting content, but if that content is dissasembled, then they should also be credited for that. They paid the price for "ratings fraud" or whatever the hell you want to call it because they did not disclose the dissasembled content.
Fine. Take care of it, but lets be real about this shit. Do we really need another heavy metal, backwards masked satanic messages, evil D&D, rock-and-roll scapegoat? Please god no.
Maybe its just something about getting old that people have to find "the devil" in whatever kids happened to be interested in.
Come on N Korea... nuke these monkeys into oblivion. Lets give the insects a shot.
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Sep 13, 2005, 04:30 |
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This is just one more nail in the coffin of PC games. Soon it will be all consoles. No more innovation. MS and Sony will decide what you play, how you play it and how much you pay. Like that would be worse than what companies like Valve and Trymedia/Macrovision are doing right now. You'd just be trading one devil for another.
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Sep 13, 2005, 04:27 |
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Well call it soft porn then. Whatever. I don't think the amount of pubes visible is the issue here. It's just irritating that people don't take responsibility for what they do.
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Sep 13, 2005, 04:24 |
Riley Pizt |
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The ESRB is removed and we'd get a government agency that says "yeah, um... about the violence. We're afraid you can't sell that... at all". Tha doesn't exist in the United States for movies and music, and it's not going to exist for video games either. It simply wouldn't withstand a court challenge. If pornography is legal to sell in the United States then so would a pornographic video game be.
In addition, the ESRB rating system is a big part of the problem because it is defined solely by age instead of by specific content categories. Having separate 17 and 18 year old ratings (M and AO repsectively) is just retarded and encourages stores to stock M but not AO games even when the same stores sell similar video content. The ratings should be defined by specific content categories such as "sex acts," "nudity," "profanity," "blood," "graphic violence," etc. Then stores could decide which games with which categories not to sell instead of refusing to carry all games with a broad age label alike AO as they do now. These specific content categories which also help parents decide which games were appropriate for their children instead of lumping all games in a specific broad age bracket together with no specific indication of the types of content which garnered the rating.
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Sep 13, 2005, 04:19 |
Void |
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That would be shirt as in shirk 
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Don't shirt the blame |
Sep 13, 2005, 04:18 |
Void |
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It was lack of responsibility by Take-Two and whoever created this mod that caused this mess. To create a mod, for an already controversial franchise and putting/activating porn in it is...well, stupid. I'm not defending the knee jerk and self serving politics this stirred up, but more responsibility should be taken by modders if they want their niche in the game market to stay alive.
It's always someone elses fault isn't it.
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Sep 13, 2005, 04:16 |
seenitall |
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This is just one more nail in the coffin of PC games. Soon it will be all consoles. No more innovation. MS and Sony will decide what you play, how you play it and how much you pay.
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Re: cowards |
Sep 13, 2005, 02:31 |
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I'd like to see the industry fight the ESRB on this instead of cedeing them effective censorship authority like the MPAA. The fact that stores won't tolerate A titles already is bad enough. Will we soon have an underground game scene like there is for films?
Let's say that ESRB fights for it. "We'll put whatever we want in the games and to hell with you!" The government then would say, "ok, you're out of the picture." The ESRB is removed and we'd get a government agency that says "yeah, um... about the violence. We're afraid you can't sell that... at all".
The ESRB has been and is good. They're going after this issue because it was content left in the game (albeit nonaccessable) because it makes their rulings have less value, and because they want to stay in the picture and not have government censorship.
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Re: No subject |
Sep 13, 2005, 01:36 |
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Ultimately the release is still bullshit, here is an idea - how about parents take some fucking responsibility and keep an eye on what their kid plays? However it would be nice to read the whole release rather than some random excerpts, after all there is no way a bunch of online journalists would quote something out of context just to whip up a storm right ? :-)
Duc - Rated R because my third party produced zipper allows me to take off my pants in public & expecting a call from Rays lawyers any second
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