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NI.BI.RU English Demo

An English language demo for NI.BI.RU is now available offering a translation of the German demo for Future Games' graphical mystery also no less confusingly known as Nibiru: Messenger of the Gods and NIBIRU: Age of Secrets. The demo provides the same sample of the game as the German version. The 140 MB download is available on 3D Gamers, FileFront, and Worthplaying.

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9. Re: No subject Aug 19, 2005, 16:04 space captain
 
While it is interesting, some have presented plausible counters to how they acquired the knowledge (Sagan being one of those).

Actually, IIRC the counters only referred to the discovery of Sirius B - which was discovered 40 years or so before the book was written - but obviously much later than the original Dogon myths. Yet they also maintained that Sirius was a trinary star system - and this was discovered long after the book and Dogon's first interactions with "modern" man.

However I consider it a mistake to disregard any great mass or totality of unusual or "mysterious" phenomena simply due to one tiny aspect being considered as refutable. You dont want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. In general its wise not to fall under the curse of the terminal skeptic, who is really just as much a slave to dogma as those "kooks" they are opposed to. They look for things that support their personal belief systems, and automatically reject anything else. Its more a question of belief - and in these types of matters, I much prefer to look at the data, look at the evidence, even the debates and arguments - without coming to a personal conclusion. I prefer not to believe in anything per se. I think the Fortean approach is probably best.

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8. Re: No subject Aug 19, 2005, 15:17 Sty
 
How can he sue them if he regards this as history? I can't uncover a fact about a historical figure and then sue somebody who uses this fact in, say, a film about them.

It was sarcasm, given our day and age of courtroom drama and Sitchin's work is not historical fact by any means. More a historical "idea".

Its interesting to note that the Dogon tribe predicted the existence of both Sirius B and C, before they were discovered by astronomers.

While it is interesting, some have presented plausible counters to how they acquired the knowledge (Sagan being one of those).

I'm currently reading Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization. There is some reaching in it, but the inundation models and data is hard to not take seriously. Mankind has a tendency to build great centers on the water line. The possiblity that civilization didn't "spark" but rather grew from flood survivors at higher elevations makes sense and their remnant memories and/or relearning of technology.

Pretty interesting stuff overall.


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7. No subject Aug 19, 2005, 14:53 space captain
 
Also, here are a couple of other stories you might be interested in that are based on hard evidence, and that show ancient man was considerably more learned than commonly thought.
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The Baghdad Battery - an electrical battery dating from around 200AD... most likely used to electroplate gold to items in ancient times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2804257.stm
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The Antikythera Mechanism - a 2000 yr old mechanical astronomy computer. Possibly invented by Hipparchus of
Rhodes, the man who also invented trigonometry.

Besides such tantalizing synchronicities, the existence of the Antikythera mechanism also should prompt fundamental change in the way the ancient sources are read. When Cicero, Ovid (Fast. 6.263-283), Plutarch and others speak of intricate devices and their use--such as an intricately- geared "machine gun" catapult, supposed to have been built on Rhodes (Philon. Bel. 73)--the Antikythera device's very existence should prompt us to something besides skepticism.

http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~tony/whatsnew/column/antikytheraI-0400/kyth1.html

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6. The Sirius Mystery Aug 19, 2005, 14:36 space captain
 
Well - Id say that the "fever" around the theories of alien-human visitation in ancient times probably began in earnest with the book called "The Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple (1976). Its more anthropological in origin, but Rob does take some liberties and throws in his own interpretations as well. However, in these sort of "mysterious" matters I tend to ignore theories and just look at the hard evidence like the myths of the tribes or peoples themselves, carvings, statues, etc.

Its interesting to note that the Dogon tribe predicted the existence of both Sirius B and C, before they were discovered by astronomers. Thats the tip of the iceberg tho.

The basis of science is that you put forward a hypothesis containing a prediction, and you them seek to verify or refute that prediction. If the prediction is confirmed, the hypothesis is considered to be verified. The hypothesis of The Sirius Mystery has now been verified in a dramatic fashion. In 1976 and in the years immediately following I predicted on numerous occasions that the existence of a small red dwarf star would be verified in the Sirius system, to be called Sirius C according to the standard naming schemes of astronomy (there already being an A and a B). This has now happened. In 1995 the French astronomers Daniel Benest and J. L. Duvent published the results of years of study in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics stating that a small red dwarf star, Sirius C, seems to exist in the system of the star Sirius.2 They have detected a perturbation which cannot be explained by any other means.

This Verification is a highly specific astrophysical prediction which has now been confirmed. It is not as if I had predicted that, say, a comet would approach Earth in 1997. There are many comets, and one might approach Earth at any time. But when one predicts that a star will be discovered in a specific star system and that it will be a specific type of star, and when this indeed happens twenty years later, that is rewarding. What is the hypothesis, then, which has been so startlingly confirmed in the best traditions of science?

Apparently there is now a revised edition of the book that contains new information on how scientific reality dovetails with ancient, almost pre-historic myths of the Dogon people. Its probably the best source of info on the subject you will find at the moment. You could also do research on the net, but of course you have to wade through countless heaps of complete garbage as well - often times with jewels of real data scattered amongst them. Not really advisable.

http://www.lunaranomalies.com/temple.htm

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5. Re: sitchin Aug 19, 2005, 13:49 MeatForce
 
Thats not to say Im not interested in the myths of the Dogon and other stories of the Nommo

Do you know much about them, SC?

I'm going to Ghana for a couple of months in either December or March and was thinking of taking a side-trip up through Burkina Fasso and into Mali to see how the French Anthropologists live [/jk]

Not like there hasn't been a TON written already, but it can be a real chore to wade through all the crap, so if you have any recommendations for decent reading, they'd be greatly appreciated!

I'm not looking to become an expert or anything, but I hate turning up in places like that without having a single clue as to what's going on..

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4. sitchin Aug 19, 2005, 13:24 space captain
 
Id say that 99% of his "interpretations" are wishful thinking and bent truths... Thats not to say Im not interested in the myths of the Dogon and other stories of the Nommo, the babylonian Oannes (or dagon), the japanese Dogu, and so on.

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3. Re: No subject Aug 19, 2005, 13:13 Awesome Spume
 
How can he sue them if he regards this as history? I can't uncover a fact about a historical figure and then sue somebody who uses this fact in, say, a film about them.

Pluto isn't a planet.

 
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2. Re: No subject Aug 19, 2005, 12:52 Sty
 
I have all of Sitchins books. While he does present some interesting and valuable points, he does stretch it quite a bit in many places just to fit "his view".

I'm suprised he hasn't sued these guys.

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1. No subject Aug 19, 2005, 12:30 space captain
 
To date, Zecharia Sitchin has deciphered more then 2,000 clay cylinders from that ancient land on the Persian Gulf that existed some 6,000 years ago. Some of these fragments, which date to 4,000 B.C., are in museums around the world. One fragment in particular, presently in Germany, indicates that Earth is the seventh planet, counting in from Pluto. The time frame here is four millennia before modern astronomy confirmed the existence of Pluto as an actual planet in our solar system. So how did an ancient race of people know this fact? Sitchin says it is because these ancient people did not come from Earth, but from Nibiru. Profound family squabbles eventually caused the Nibiruans to abandon planet Earth, leaving human beings to fend for themselves. These early humans would never possess the ability to travel among the stars like their creators, nor would they possess the immortality of their creators.

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