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lCD VS CRT |
Jun 26, 2005, 13:14 |
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As stated above ignorance is bliss.
but color and brightness is not my beef with LCD's it's
the fact that a brand new one comes with max resolution of 1280*1024 at 24bit color.
however I seriously don't regret buying my samsung Syncmaster 913n after my belowed 19" crt died completely after a power outage.
I certainly don't mind the fact that this screen is brighter than my old crt and is only about half an inch smaller than my debunked 21" nokia, wich I now hook up to my laptop and use as a TV. (Who says I need an HDTV  )
And I honestly can't say I find any lag on this 8ms screen (on paper at least, take it with a spoonfull of salt)
can't say I won't turn back to CRT one day, they sure seem to give good value to price now, with the added bonus of 1600*1200 at 85hz and 32bit.
I say it is a matter of taste.
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Re: .....woopee |
Jun 26, 2005, 13:11 |
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I miss the days where I didn't have to crank up the brightness and gamma just to see where I'm going in a shooter. So that would be Wolfenstein 3D, then? 'Cause gamma adjustments were necessary even in certain parts of Doom.
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No subject |
Jun 26, 2005, 08:26 |
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To be honest i really dont think LCDs could take over CRTs in picture quality for a long time.
They work in such different ways that im suprised that LCDs have gotten this close to CRTs so soon. I know whe watching certain movies when im lying on my bed at night it does become nigh-on-impossible to watch it if it's a very dark film, and for some odd reason my LCD has better quality when i'm looking down at the screen. I'm guessing it's just the way the crystals are aligned in there.
Whoever thinks LCDs can beat CRTs atm should be shot. Well, that's a bit harsh, but they should at least get a top of the range LCD and a top of the range CRT, put them side by side and play games/watch some movies.
Edit: I hope game makers dont use this HDR feature to excess because, well, when i look at pictures with this feature in, the game looks crap. I can't remember what screenshot it was, but it involved an FPS game in a darkish room and this HDR on everything. It looked shit. Plain and simple. I'm all up for the feature to be used to make games more realistic, for example when you look at the ingame sun everythin becomes way too bright and you can make out outlines of objects, but ah god im rambling again. Right i'm out.
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Jun 26, 2005, 06:41 |
vacs |
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Picture quality on top of the line LCDs crushes CRTs.
Ignorance is bliss 
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Jun 26, 2005, 03:34 |
Beamer |
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Picture quality on top of the line LCDs crushes CRTs.
Are you smoking?
Top of the line LCDs, even thousand of dollar TVs, can't do dark black. Have you ever watched a DVD on an LCD monitor in a dark room? It's impossible to tell what is going on in a dark scene.
CRTs are the only way to get the truest colors.
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Jun 26, 2005, 01:11 |
Cabezone |
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Thats a load of crap. Picture quality on top of the line LCDs crushes CRTs. The only thing holding back LCDs is response time. The current response times are good enough for me but some people are bother by the slight blurring you get even with 8-12ms grey-grey.
"We're not the same, I'm an american, you're a sick a--hole." - William 'D-Fens' Foster
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Jun 25, 2005, 18:20 |
vacs |
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I have both an LCD and a CRT (dual monitor, whoohoo!)
I'd never game on anything other than a CRT. My LCD was a top rated two years ago, still looks a bit washed out. My roommate has a brand new Dell with the 20" Ultrasharp - same thing. He was very disappointed when he saw how much nicer my 19" CRT looks during gaming.
Yes, they're huge, but as gamers, don't we make sacrifices for the best possible experience?
There is absolutely no doubt about it, if you want the best possible image quality, you have to use a CRT.
Even the cheaper CRTs are still better than expensive LCDs.
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Jun 25, 2005, 16:50 |
Beamer |
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I have both an LCD and a CRT (dual monitor, whoohoo!)
I'd never game on anything other than a CRT. My LCD was a top rated two years ago, still looks a bit washed out. My roommate has a brand new Dell with the 20" Ultrasharp - same thing. He was very disappointed when he saw how much nicer my 19" CRT looks during gaming.
Yes, they're huge, but as gamers, don't we make sacrifices for the best possible experience?
I also have a 15.4" widescreen laptop, which is just mind bogglingly nice for Excel.
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"LCD Mode" |
Jun 25, 2005, 13:07 |
Sixis |
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" Awesome Spune, have you played HL2 at the LCD mode? Where it says 1280by1024(LCD). Omg, I'll never go lower after playing it in LCD mode with my actual LCD screen. It's so damn crystal clear, the lettering, the sharpness, everything. Heck, I wouldn't even give it up for this HDR crap if I had to go down or switch back to shitty CRT for it. Seriously, you guys are missing out on LCD mode if you never tried it."
The 1280X1024 resolution in HL2 is refered to as LCD mode simply because most larger LCD displays are sharpest at that resolution. HL2 loads a different font for that resolution and above, but it does this on CRT monitors too. I've been running SP HL2 at that resolution (LCD mode) on my CRT monitor and I know how much better it looks. So, the image quality difference doesn't have anything to do with LCD vs. CRT.
OTOH, my monitor is 150 lbs and takes up my entire desk, so I can see why people would want LCD monitors
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Re: HDR |
Jun 25, 2005, 12:58 |
vacs |
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And now I don't care about HDR anymore until flat panel displays catch up cos there's no way I'm going back to one of those unwieldy behemoths.
I didn't say that HDR doesn't work with LCDs because it does. It's just that due to the nature of the LCD crystals, very bright light as also very dark spots cannot be represented as good as on CRTs. So to say, the whole dynamic range is slightly more reduced on LCDs than on CRTs but nevertheless you'll get all the fancy HDR effects possible in those games.
To explain: a very bright spotlight and the sun are normally represented the same way with traditional lighting engines. HDR allows to differentiate between very bright (spotlight) and even more bright (the sun) light and represent them more truthfully on the screen.
Of course can a CRT and LCD not emite the same brightness than a 500w spotlight, we need therefore the tonemapping process to recalibrate those values. A CRT however can represent those high dynamic range values slightly better than a LCD.
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No subject |
Jun 25, 2005, 12:19 |
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Awesome Spune, have you played HL2 at the LCD mode? Where it says 1280by1024(LCD). Omg, I'll never go lower after playing it in LCD mode with my actual LCD screen. It's so damn crystal clear, the lettering, the sharpness, everything. Heck, I wouldn't even give it up for this HDR crap if I had to go down or switch back to shitty CRT for it. Seriously, you guys are missing out on LCD mode if you never tried it.
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Re: .....woopee |
Jun 25, 2005, 12:10 |
Enahs |
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Maybe I have really bad vision.
But when I am facing the sun, things generally look brighter more blurred by light. Or when I am looking at something in direct sunlight it looks brighter than stuff not in direct sun light.
I think they got this sucker reversed…
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I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally.
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Re: No subject |
Jun 25, 2005, 11:42 |
Beamer |
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So my X850XLPESTYPASAPBSBYOBBQ can't do this?
Bah! Then what is the point of all those letters after it?
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Re: HDR |
Jun 25, 2005, 11:41 |
Awesome Spume |
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The get the best HDR experience you'll need a CRT monitor, LCD and plasma are much more limited concerning the high dynamic range they can display.
And now I don't care about HDR anymore until flat panel displays catch up cos there's no way I'm going back to one of those unwieldy behemoths.
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No subject |
Jun 25, 2005, 11:27 |
MacD |
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Thanks for the explanations, vacs: even though I know the basics of HDRI (using the reflecting bulbs etc/'overbright'/noncolourclamped, just to throw some terminology around :D), your posts make it easy to see the real-world requirements.
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Re: .....woopee |
Jun 25, 2005, 10:59 |
Verwirrung |
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How it looks to me is that we'll be getting still more games where "dynamic lighting" means stumbling around through pitch darkness trying to find some cracked wall that you're intuitively supposed to knock down while fighting off creatures whose positions are marked only by flashes of gunfire. I miss the days where I didn't have to crank up the brightness and gamma just to see where I'm going in a shooter.
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Re: HDR |
Jun 25, 2005, 08:53 |
vacs |
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.i got geforce 6800 ultra and a crt monitor,and farcry installed.do i have to turn this feature or is it automatic?
no, it's disabled per default, even with the latest patch.
You'll need at least FarCry 1.3 to make it work, just start any level (the first one inside the cave in the beginning is just perfect to demonstrate HDRL), open the console and type "\r_hdrrendering 7" without the quotes. You will see the effect of HDR immediately after turning it on.
"\r_hdrrendering 0" will disabled HDR again.
FP16 HDR can reduce your overall performance by 30-50%, depending on your system configuration.
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Re: HDR |
Jun 25, 2005, 08:19 |
Tehol |
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thnx vacs.it was helpful.i got geforce 6800 ultra and a crt monitor,and farcry installed.do i have to turn this feature or is it automatic?
i guess my question would be,is HDR so obvious that when u see it u know what it is?and how much it tax ur system's performance?
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Re: No subject |
Jun 25, 2005, 07:00 |
famished |
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I think the retina effect is completely over done. It seems dev's like to overuse new effects to extreme measures. Quake 2 coloured lighting is another example, or curved surfaces in Quake 3. I know if you were to look at a cliff like that in reality, your eyes wouldn't be compensating so drastically. Guess I have to see it full screen to see if it really works.
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Re: HDR |
Jun 25, 2005, 05:51 |
vacs |
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what is HDR?
do u need special kind of video card and monitor to witness this?can any one tell me about this without the tehcno jargon?
As I said in my previous post basic HDRL works with all PS2.0 supporting cards (DX9). High-precision HDR is however limited to GF 6x00 and GF 7x00 cards.
Concerning the need for a special monitor, actually yes, you do But those monitors which can display a much higher range of brightness are not publically available and very expensive. The problem with HDR indeed is that HDR offers too much precision for current monitors and that's where tone mapping comes in. This technique recalculates the rendered HDR image with brightness values which are more easily displayed on current monitors.
The get the best HDR experience you'll need a CRT monitor, LCD and plasma are much more limited concerning the high dynamic range they can display.
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