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Half-Life 2 EULA Legal Issues?

Is the Half-Life 2 EULA illegal? on the Inquirer (thanks Ant) describes possible legal issues surrounding the End-User License Agreement for Half-Life 2 and the Steam service. Here are a couple of hefty excerpts:

...The German Consumer Association has recently found that the packaging on Half-Life 2 is misleading. In a report made following complaints from the public, they said that the mere listing of an internet connection under the 'other' category in system requirements did not accurately describe the true extent of the internet tie-in with the game, and ordered Vivendi to amend the packaging and untie Steam from HL2 or face a hefty fine. See this page. How far other consumer associations will agree with the Germans is yet to be seen, but it seems a no-brainer that Steam should be mentioned on the retail pack.

The return of software has traditionally been a bugbear for gamers. Most shops, at least in the UK, have a policy not to allow the return of opened software because of piracy risks. However, most consumers are not aware that, in some cases at least, this is in breach of their statutory legal rights, which cannot be infringed. This page at the UK's Office of Fair Trading conveniently notes an example of when goods can be returned as faulty:...

It is quite conceivable that any gamer not being able to connect to Half-Life 2 is entitled to a legal refund in the UK. The case would hinge around whether or not the inability to play the game without persistent net connection, or the previous hacking of the CD Key rendering it unplayable, makes the game unfit for the purpose described on the box. This could well be a winner.

The last issue is the most interesting and relates to a number of other cases that have come up over the last couple of years. According to US and UK law, under the principle known in the US as 'First Sale', a consumer buying a game takes absolute title to it; that is, they own it. ...

But, arguably, you can't transfer the CD Key without paying the $10 Steam charge, because otherwise it's still registered to you at Valve, meaning you haven't truly transferred ownership to the buyer.

However, here's something else. No mention of the Steam software is made in the EULA for Half-Life 2. This means that the terms of the Steam EULA that you agree to when installing that software are almost certainly not incorporated into the contract you agree to when installing Half-Life 2. Consequently, the $10 transfer fee would not be enforceable because it isn't in the HL2 contract, and Valve would be acting illegally in blocking any sale of the game from one person to another.

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86. Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Feb 7, 2005, 16:32 S_DOG34
 
Jesus Christ, simmer the fuck down. Triumph the insult comic dog would have a field day on your nerd ass. You would make the Star Wars geeks look cool.

 
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  1. Feb 7, 10:48 Re: No subject space captain
  2. Feb 7, 11:00 Let's hear it for Deutschland.. The dude
  8. Feb 7, 11:07  Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  9. Feb 7, 11:13   Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Icewind
  12. Feb 7, 11:15    Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. nin
  16. Feb 7, 11:23     Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Riley Pizt
  20. Feb 7, 11:29      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. nin
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  114. Feb 7, 20:33       Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Igor
  13. Feb 7, 11:19    Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  21. Feb 7, 11:29     Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. The dude
  23. Feb 7, 11:38      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  29. Feb 7, 11:54       Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. The dude
  36. Feb 7, 12:05        Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  37. Feb 7, 12:12         Let's keep this civil...  Blue 
  38. Feb 7, 12:13         Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Beamer
  49. Feb 7, 12:50          Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Rob
  27. Feb 7, 11:47      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Bronco
  30. Feb 7, 11:56       Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. nin
  31. Feb 7, 11:56       Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Zathrus
>> 86. Feb 7, 16:32      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. S_DOG34
  14. Feb 7, 11:20   Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. The dude
  17. Feb 7, 11:27    Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  19. Feb 7, 11:29    Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  24. Feb 7, 11:41     Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. The dude
  28. Feb 7, 11:51      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Zathrus
  32. Feb 7, 11:57      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  33. Feb 7, 12:01       Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. nin
  35. Feb 7, 12:02      Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. BicycleRepairMan
  39. Feb 7, 12:14       Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  45. Feb 7, 12:30        Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Zathrus
  54. Feb 7, 13:15         Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Krovven
  62. Feb 7, 13:43          Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Zathrus
  65. Feb 7, 14:06           Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. B M
  67. Feb 7, 14:10            Re: Let's hear it for Deustchland.. Cutedge
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  25. Feb 7, 11:45  Re: Let's hear it for Deutschland.. Zathrus
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