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Well, I certainly would not have joked about those chads yesterday if I imagined that we'd have a repeat of the last U.S. Presidential election, where the uncertainly over the outcome lingers like a hangover the morning after. Sick of the phrase "Provisional Ballots in Ohio" yet? I'm guessing soon enough we all will be. I guess in this clearly overly litigious society, it's only appropriate that our elections get decided in the courts. To my thinking, the oddest Election Day story comes from New Mexico, where they got tired of counting votes, and went home for the night. Thanks for playing guys. Oh yeah, and a note to all politicians... no matter how exuberant the moment... you really should avoid dancing when Kool & the Gang comes over the P.A. singing Celebrate (seek video of our reelected N.Y. Senator Schumer for a good example).

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104. Re: Games Nov 3, 2004, 12:31 Jim
 
So guys, play any good games lately?.

Played some good games of Onslaught (UT2k4) recently. Also flew my virtual Cessna up to Moosehead Lake in Maine over the weekend.

Still waiting for HL2. I bought it, downloaded it, now waiting to play it

 
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103. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:31 [SPZ[SPANKER
 
Bush wins by a landslide
Which election were you watching? This wasn't a landslide by any stretch of the imagination.


It is a landslide, read your history buddy.

You are still in the first stage of grief my dear friend... D-E-N-I-A-L

but don't worry ....A-C-C-E-P-T-A-N-C-E..... will follow, we will help you along...... I know as a liberal, you aren't good dealing with these things on your own. We will help you throught it like all your other social programs........ WOOT.


 
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102. It is 9:20 am (Pacific Time)... Nov 3, 2004, 12:31 Warhawk
 
and almost 100 posts. Did I miss anything? Probably nice and civil and all that, right?

Obviously happy with the outcome.

Glad to see the Kerry campaign has 1 last flip-flop in them: "We're in this until every last vote is counted!" (Edwards) and "Kerry calls Bush and concedes the race" a couple hours later. Just classic. Perfect ending to the whole thing.


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Hold it. The Schwarzenegger Library?
The Schwarzenegger Presidential Library. Wasn't he an actor when you...
He was President?
 

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101. Re: Games Nov 3, 2004, 12:30 scorpius
 
So guys, play any good games lately?
Evil Genius

 
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100. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:30 Halsy
 
Once again, the US NEEDS a third party (or even more). This black & white bullshit isn't doing anybody any good. However, the US people just DON'T CARE enough to get all riled up in arms, unlike you chose to believe

And I'm not a fucking democrat. I'm left. And no one has argued for proportional representation more than I have - which is why most people don't care. Today you see that the 48% of the people who did vote for someone that their votes don't matter. That their point of view doesn't matter. At least that's how the people with the 51% of the vote will treat them. As I stated previously, history demonstrates with remarkable clarity that no such polarization can go on for long. This is how revolutions occur.

I'm not saying the people are going to revolt tomorrow, but things have already been building up for 4 years, and now they're only going to get worse...much worse, unless Bush and the GOP make an attempt to bridge the divide - which I don't see them having any real desire to do. People will only take so much abuse. Why does anyone think another civil war is impossible? Why do people think states seceding is impossible? Anything is possible, and history bears out that it's actually more likely to occur than not over the long run unless things change in a big way.

Even barring the fact Bush declares himself as emperor (I'm only half-joking here - because it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he did), and things continue to get nastier over the next 4 years, do you think things would get any better regardless of who wins in 2008? How long do you think this sort of divisiveness can go on for? How much more do you think those who aren't represented can or will endure? I'm telling you, if proportional representation is not a reality by the next election then I seriously don't see this country lasting too much longer. It cannot and will not keep going on like this.



"Don't you see the rest of the country looks upon New York like we're left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers? I think of us that way sometimes and I live here."
- Woody Allen
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99. Games Nov 3, 2004, 12:26 ExcessDan
 
So guys, play any good games lately? Paper Mario 2 will be arriving in my apartment via UPS in about 8 hours.

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98. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:23 JediLuke
 
Bush wins by a landslide

Which election were you watching? This wasn't a landslide by any stretch of the imagination.

And by the way, it won't make your signature any less ridiculous, but you'd look a little more intelligent if you fixed the "its."

~Steve

 
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97. The Democrats Nov 3, 2004, 12:23 [SPZ[SPANKER
 
This election has been a mandate for the Republicans. The places that were Democratic were mainly from urban areas, where reality is warped. The election was decided in the heartland, where people know about morals and where thier food comes from. In the heartland there aren't big social programs, people take care of themselves. Democrats need to start looking in the mirror, before they lose more people that are used to taking care of themselves.

 
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96. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:21 Plissken
 
What a great day it is today, Bush wins by a landslide, the stock market is up.....good news for America which = bad news for the Democrats.

Liberalism generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent.
 
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95. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:18 JediLuke
 
You don't? If mankind was inherently 'evil', the world would be much worse than it is today.

You know, I edited that out of my post when I realized that Creston was being sarcastic. I didn't claim anything about mankind's inherent evilness, only that it's pretty fucking obvious that we're not inherently good. If you're going to try and make that argument, you'll have to do way better. But please don't, it's a completely moot point and I seriously doubt you have anything substantive to put forth here.

Sure, we didn't find any WMDs, but Saddam was a WMD in his own way.

My, how poetic! Way to completely warp the terminology. You know, this all seems quite analogous to what Nietzsche was alluding to in writing about the man of intuition versus the man of concepts and abstractions in "On Truth and Lying in a Non-Moral Sense." But it's ok, I'm not going to get into it and I don't expect you to be interested.

~Steve

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94. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:17 scorpius
 
re-defeat of the Democrats.
I am sure you ment: The re-defeat of democracy

 
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93. Re: Halsy Nov 3, 2004, 12:16 xXBatmanXx
 
What a shame... People who voted for Bush are hurt by his economic policies. These people voted for him because they don't want women to be able to get abortions, they don't want gays to marry, they think we should be invading middle-eastern countries, and damn if they care about the facts of this administration's failure. Oh well. Go ahead, start a theocracy you dumb bastards. I'll be spending as much of the next four years in Europe as I can.

Thank God Kerry didn't win, since the young voters turned out in record numbers because, and I quote, "We heard there was going to be a draft".

So Michael Moore's propaganda machine crapped out. And the Dems are upset they paid him all of that money for nothing.

I am almost sadistic enough to have wanted Kerry to win since he would have had to instatiante a draft for his "plan" of reserve armies. Teach those young kids to know the issues.

 
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92. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:15 [SPZ[SPANKER
 
Denial…..
Anger…..
Acceptance……

4 more years !

-The re-defeat of the Democrats.

 
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91. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:14 John
 
The level of discourse here is ridiculously low. I'm done, enjoy the wanking.

I was using that as an example. Anyone who keeps up with what Kerry has been saying can figure that out on their own. You're done? I sure hope so.

I don't know what could possibly give you that idea. Seriously.

You don't? If mankind was inherently 'evil', the world would be much worse than it is today.


As for Creston's reply to Ray, you said basically what I was going to say. But as for Ray's comment about us "f'ing up a country because we felt like it", I believe Saddam murdering thousands of his own people is more f'ed up than us taking him out of power. Sure, we didn't find any WMDs, but Saddam was a WMD in his own way.

Edit: I thought the economy and the assault on peoples civil and human rights by the Bush administration had something to do with it as well. Silly me.

Silly you indeed. I said the main reason is the war and terrorism because it is a personal issue to many people. I didn't say the economy didn't have anything to do with it.

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90. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:13 Halsy
 
This is from someone who makes false claims because of his own hate of conservatives?

What false claims have I ever made about Conservatives? Everything I've ever said is mostly true. Far truer than how the right portrays the left at any rate.

Well, I believe Bush did win the first Popular vote since 1988. I think that says something at least.

Yes it says you're willing to believe that semantics actually makes a difference. 51%/48% vs. 49%/40% in 96.

And the main reason the country is split is because of the war and terrorism. Once the war is over, I'm sure the country will become more unified again.. and not collapse.

Really? I thought the economy and the assault on peoples civil and human rights by the Bush administration had something to do with it as well. Silly me.

Your negative views do not help the situation.

Oh yes, dissent helps the terrorists, right? Let us uncondtionally and unquestioningly follow Mullah Bush. Questioning the supreme leader is treason!



"Don't you see the rest of the country looks upon New York like we're left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers? I think of us that way sometimes and I live here."
- Woody Allen
 
"And then, suddenly and without warning, it turned into a real-life case of hungry, hungry hippos."
- Stephen Colbert
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89. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:12 Creston
 
Did anyone answer your question regarding the Senate seats? Senators sit for 6 year terms and a I believe a third of the seats are up at each general election.

No they didn't. Thanks Bronco I didn't realise that only a third of the seats were up for election each time. So that gets voted on every two years then?

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88. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:11 Creston
 
At least 50% of the population didn't vote. You're trying to tell me that means they silently support you in absentia?

No, like I said, it means THEY JUST DON'T CARE. That's probably an overgeneralization anyways, since I'm sure that there are at least 10 to 20 million people who were unable to vote for various reasons. I never said that means they support me in abstentia. I just said that out of the people who VOTED, (who, in the end, are really all that matter, because I am firmly of the opinion that if you DIDN'T vote, your opinion DOES NOT MATTER), the majority (of the people who voted) do not share your view.


You really think everyone on the left is just going to roll over and say, "Oh well, Bush won. Time to just give up and do whatever he and the rest of the American Taliban says." The shit storm is just getting started.

Yes yes Halsy, states are going to break away and form a new Liberal Paradise, and we're going to get mass riots and panic and hysteria, and dogs and cats will live together and the dead will walk the earth. Most people just don't care as much as you do. There were no riots after 2000, there's not going to be any riots here either. You know why? Because, in GENERAL, the US population doesn't care enough. Not the right "sheep" as you call them, but not the left either. They go on, on their day to day lifes, most of which aren't really all that affected by who's in power in Washington, and they shrug and say "Maybe in 2008".

There's still over 50% of the country that didn't fucking vote, don't you get that?

Why are you so fucking hardon about the people who DIDN'T vote?? Or are you convinced that they support YOU in abstentia?

If you people at least even made an attempt at bi-partisanship it wouldn't be an issue

"You people"? Who people are you exactly talking about here? For the record, I'm not a republican. For the record, I'm actually not even allowed to vote, since I'm not a citizen. If I was allowed to vote, I probably would have voted Bush, since I thought Kerry was all talk and promises, but he had mostly NO PLANS to fix all the shit he said he was going to fix.
Had I lived here at the time, and I would have been allowed to vote, I probably would have voted Clinton (although I can't really say for sure, because I don't know what he did for the US internally, I can just speak to the fact that Europe loved him).
Try to stop sweeping everyone under the rug. You're just as guilty of the Us vs Them mentality as you accuse the GOP of being.


Hate to break it to you but this isn't a game

Let me explain to both you and JediLuke the concept of a SMILEY at the end of a statement. It was meant as a JOKE. Your life and your world didn't end after Al Gore got defeated, despite what you probably predicted, it's not going to end now.


There is nothing worse in the world than indifference.

I agree. See my 1400 posts in which I say that APATHY is the number one cause of the decay of western society?
I didn't care as much about this election because

1) I wasn't allowed to vote. Kinda hard to get all riled up if you can't make a difference anyways
2) I thought both candidates weren't really all that great. Like Bill Simmons said "it's like Wannstedt trying to choose between Feeley and Fiedler".
3) Unlike you, I don't let it eat me that much anymore. Probably because I came from a country where, in my opinion, it was much worse than here. Isn't that what it comes down to in the end? If your country's government coincides with your viewpoint, you're happy, and if it doesn't, you're pissed off. In my case, I just left and found a country that DID coincide. You're trying to make your current country change. I'll leave it up to you to decide for yourself what you think is better.

Once again, the US NEEDS a third party (or even more). This black & white bullshit isn't doing anybody any good. However, the US people just DON'T CARE enough to get all riled up in arms, unlike you chose to believe.

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87. Re: Kerry Concedes Nov 3, 2004, 12:09 Atomic
 
Let's talk about Michael Moore . . . . I wonder if the actions of Moore and others (Liberal Rawkers for Change) backfired.Did people get tired of hearing them? or did they actaully spur more conservatives to vote?

Absolutely, and I eluded to it earlier. The numbers certainly seem to indicate that.

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86. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:03 JediLuke
 
Kerry doesn't have any real plans.. Why else would SNL make fun of that?

Sir, I am in awe of your brilliant powers of reasoning.

The level of discourse here is ridiculously low. I'm done, enjoy the wanking.

~Steve

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85. Re: R.I.P. America Nov 3, 2004, 12:01 Halsy
 
I'm glad you're so excited about the dissolution of the Union. I'm sure you think that it'd be best for everyone involved, right?

When the one side that doesn't represent the other and consistently works to oppress and destroy those people, then yes. I think it is best for everyone involved. If people like you had it your way slavery and every other social injustice would still be alive and well today.

Ah... I got it. It doesn't matter if both sides are utterly fucked up -- as long as you pick one. Realizing that both sides are fucked up and thus refusing to whole heartedly support one -- warts and all -- is definitely the wrong thing to do.

It's a question of degrees. The lesser of two evils is still the lesser evil. The choice may not be a desirable one but it beats the alternative.

Yes, because as history has shown, it's the moderates that destroy society. Not the extremists.

No, history has shown that indifference is the biggest problem in any society. Not the extremists. My reaction to a group of extremists is extreme, not my core values and beliefs. Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire because that's all they understand.

Gotcha. Keep living in your own reality Halsy.

At least I'm living in reality, Zathrus. You should really try taking a big whiff of it and joining us here sometime.

I may not like the outcome of the race (and yes, I voted Kerry), but the fact that he didn't (and as of this time he has now conceeded the race) doesn't mean that I think it's the end of the world or even of the country.

Do you think all the bad vibes have magically just gone away? What changed between today and yesterday that you makes you think things aren't going to get worse as time progresses? The fact is things are going to get worse. Count on it.

I am very deeply concerned about what will happen in the next four years, particularly given some of the other ballot initiatives that passed in various states, but there's not a whole hell of a lot that can be done about it at this moment.

Really? So what do you intend to do about it besides be concerned? When do you think people should start, Zathrus? A week from now? A year? Hell, why not just abolish elections entirely and avoid all these silly issues?

And no, I don't think civil disorder is the right answer.

The founding fathers would disagree. Once again, your indifference shows that America would still be a British colony if you had your way.

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.


Revolution is evolution and freedom.

We live in a Democratic Republic. "My way or the highway" is the wrong answer.

Tell that to the GOP.

And I find it particularly hypocritical of you to do exactly that while at the same time accusing the other side of doing it (which they certainly do do at times; doesn't make it right to do it yourself).

Wrong. My value system is based on freedom of choice - not oppression of freedom. If 2 gay guys want to get married, power to them. I'm not going to try and stop them whether I agree with it or not. I don't like abortion and guns but I respect peoples rights to have them. In short, I believe in the plurality of society. They DON'T. They're doing everything they can in their power to systematically crush all opposition as well as civil and human rights. That to me constitutes no less than an act of war. If was indifference that allowed people like Hitler to come to power. It's not because people say yes to evil, it's because they don't say no.


"Don't you see the rest of the country looks upon New York like we're left-wing, communist, Jewish, homosexual pornographers? I think of us that way sometimes and I live here."
- Woody Allen
 
"And then, suddenly and without warning, it turned into a real-life case of hungry, hungry hippos."
- Stephen Colbert
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