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17. Re: Riders Oct 30, 2004, 09:32 Kevlar
 
That was what I was trying to say. If you want to sample a sound, or even a second or two, that's one thing...

Precisely, nin... I mean, when you can see that techno does more with its resampling than your genre, you need to look at where you're getting your music from.

My comments are not a condemnation of the entire genre, I'm just sick of people plundering everything made before 1990. If my favorite rock/metal/industrial/whatever bands started doing it at this kind of rate I'd be pissed off just the same.

 
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16. Re: Riders Oct 30, 2004, 06:45 Tango
 
But to take somebody else's work and just redo it as you seem fit sucks. That's why I called Puffy a no-talent hack...
I don't get that argument. I don't see how releasing a poor imitation of a song affects the original. I don't even see that it's a shame. If Chris Columbus set about directing his version of The Lord of The Rings, I just wouldn't watch it, safe in my smug knowledge that The Original Is The Best.

However, a lack of talent I will agree with.

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15. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 17:52 nin
 
I think people here confuse sampleing (somthing thats as old as Rapping itself) with what Puffy started (although actually it was Vanilla Ice puffy was just the first one i heard of that paid the original artist off so they wouldnt get sued), which was essentially taking a whole song and rapping over it.

That was what I was trying to say. If you want to sample a sound, or even a second or two, that's one thing...

But to take somebody else's work and just redo it as you seem fit sucks. That's why I called Puffy a no-talent hack...

I don't hate the guy - he's done some very good charity work, from what I've heard. I just don't think he's the musical genius that some people think he is.



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14. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 17:17 NoThreat
 
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Snoop and Dre sampled heavily from Parliment and other old funk records on The Chronic IIRC.

I think people here confuse sampleing (somthing thats as old as Rapping itself) with what Puffy started (although actually it was Vanilla Ice puffy was just the first one i heard of that paid the original artist off so they wouldnt get sued), which was essentially taking a whole song and rapping over it.

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13. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 17:09 NoThreat
 
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020708&s=densmore

Here’s an article by John Densmore of The Doors from 2002 about why they don’t allow their music in commercials.

What I’m wondering about is if this is really much better. Not the fact that Snoop is covering it but that it’s appearing in the game at all. I had similar feelings when I played the new Tony Hawk game and heard Break On Through. Now I'm not offended quite as much as if I'd heard it in a Chevy commercial, but it still feels like a cheapening of the work. If video game development had grown into the kind of art form I'd like to see it I wouldn’t have as big a problem, just like I don’t have issues with my favorite tunes being used in films. But the gaming industry seems so dead set on turning out crap that I have trouble believing they were really inspired to choose the songs by their love of the music. I fail to see how allowing any corporate, profit motivated, use of the music can be justified if what your really worried about is the integrity of the music in the eyes of the fans.

As far as Snoop covering it, if it was just on an album I really wouldn’t care, good covers happen as often as bad even amongst “Rap” (read: pop) artists, not that I expect this to be good one (actually I cant think of an example of a good example of a quality "Rap" or Hip-hop cover but theres alot of good hip-hop out there that sample good rock songs and does it in a way that creates somthing original). It’s just that this smells of something turned out of a marketing department.

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12. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 17:04 Protoz
 
I happen to enjoy a limited amount of rap but the bling garbage on MTV is just that. Garbage.

Early 90s rap was the high point in rap for me.

Snoop was so much better then and now he's reduced himself to sampling others music...what a world

 
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11. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 15:15 DrEvil
 
"Rap ruins nice music"

Yep. Rap is complete trash. Bunch of talentless fucks that do nothing but rip off real music.

 
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10. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 15:13 nin
 
Rap ruins nice music


It really depends on the style...I'd say excessive sampling ruins nice music...



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9. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 15:07 PHJF
 
Rap ruins nice music

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8. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 13:43 nin
 
Good to see that people here are as oppened minded as an ALqueda sleeper lol!!!

Anyways time dust the vic 20 and get back to the basics lol!!!


What? Lay off the "time dust". Drug testing for 4D, please...

And you clearly don't know my musical tastes...I've got about 2000 cds at home right now.



And what has Puffy done by himself, without the help of other famous musicians?

Let's see:

Did that shitty godzilla song and covered Zepplin

Did that shitty tribute to Biggy by covering The Police

Need I go on?

How about "guests" of Puff albums?

Let's see: R. Kelly; 112; Bizzy Bone; Jay-Z; Cee-Lo; The Notorious B.I.G.; Busta Rhymes; Twista; Redman; Kelly Price; Lil' Kim; Nas

Can the man do his own music? Doesn't appear that way...







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7. Re: PLAYBOY Oct 29, 2004, 13:30 Elvis
 
Oh man! The Carmack in Playboy! Too cool. Do you think he's that known outside of the gaming world? Apparently so...
I prefer to see him and his cars in Motor Trend, etc.
He musta picked up an Enzo yeah?

 
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6. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 13:29 4D-Boxing
 
Are you kidding? It the only way Puffy/PDiddy/Dumbass Talentless Hack can get paid.

Yeah just like Elvis!
Clue in bud!!! ...... Everyone has to love NIN inch nails & stuff or they are losers ?!?!?!?!?!

Must every classic rock riff/song be remade into a rap song?


Good to see that people here are as oppened minded as an ALqueda sleeper lol!!!

Half these guys walk arround talking about how great the 60s where how good the music was but they forget that in those days people tried to be oppen minded and they surely would not say BS like we see posted in here!


I have to stop trying to educate the youth and the bitter little people....
Anyways time dust the vic 20 and get back to the basics lol!!!

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5. Re: PLAYBOY Oct 29, 2004, 13:11 Sixis
 
Unfortunately, in the interview JC said he has "Daikatana in his heart" so I guess that ends his career.  
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4. PLAYBOY Oct 29, 2004, 11:11 Monty
 
Excellent, now I have a great excuse for the wife after I buy Playboy

 
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3. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 10:45 Protoz
 
*pukes*

Now they can kill that classic song...how about House of the Rising Sun too while you're at it...

My sister played a Lil' John song that had Ozzy's Crazy Train in it and it just made my blood boil

 
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2. Re: Riders Oct 29, 2004, 10:30 nin
 
Must every classic rock riff/song be remade into a rap song?

Are you kidding? It the only way Puffy/PDiddy/Dumbass Talentless Hack can get paid.




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1. Riders Oct 29, 2004, 10:26 Kevlar
 
Riders on tha shizzle...
Riders on tha nizzle...
Into dis house we trounce,
Into dis world we bounce.


Must every classic rock riff/song be remade into a rap song?

 
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