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DOOM 3 at G4

Activision is eager to pass along word that DOOM 3 will have a presence at G4/Tech TV's upcoming G-Phoria "the Award Show for Gamers" featuring gaming icons Carmen Electra and Dave Navarro: "Wanted to let you know that id Software confirmed today that they are bringing DOOM 3 PC and the DOOM 3 pod to 'G-Phoria – the Award Show for Gamers' this Saturday at the Shrine Expo Center in LA. G-Phoria guests will get the chance to play a preview portion of DOOM 3 single player on the PC, ahead of next week’s release. G-Phoria premieres on G4TechTV on Aug 6."

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65. Re: re: offtopic HL2 prformance Jul 31, 2004, 06:15 Panick
 
Damn, the new trailer sure looks great! Very moody intro, and the action looks solid...

Can't wait!


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64. re: offtopic HL2 prformance Jul 31, 2004, 05:36 Yakumo
 
came accross this the other day :

http://www.ixbt-labs.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp.html

[edit] oops, had only read t last 2 posts, someones allready posted that... [/edit]

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63. Re: No subject Jul 31, 2004, 02:14 TheNarcis
 
Again, I expect ATI to actually end up leading the pack, but it looks like the 6800 may actually be a very good card for HL2. Any nVIDIA card before the 6800 will be quite sad, though...


looks like anythng non-new card is sad. Its a huge difference in performance from teh recent offerings and the generation before. Its almost double. Not really scalable if you ask me on Valve's part. And these were the same benchmarks I was talking about with nVidia 6800's leading way. So it would seem "shady" IMO if its reverse "majorly" come release!


 
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62. Re: No subject Jul 31, 2004, 02:12 TheNarcis
 
I don't know if anyone is reading this thread carefully, but apparently some BB stores have gotten the OK from activision to break the embargo on D3 and have put it on shelves early. Worth checking/calling your local BB tomorrow morning.

Threads:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=1363868&enterthread=y

And

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/344170/



Nice and it still uses .pk# files for nice easy packing. We should be seeing mods within weeks!

 
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61. Re: No subject Jul 31, 2004, 01:53 S_DOG34
 
I don't know if anyone is reading this thread carefully, but apparently some BB stores have gotten the OK from activision to break the embargo on D3 and have put it on shelves early. Worth checking/calling your local BB tomorrow morning.

Threads:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=1363868&enterthread=y

And

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/344170/

 
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60. Re: No subject Jul 31, 2004, 01:26 Ray Marden
 
Honestly, I think that ATI will p\/\/n Half-Life 2, but here is a sample of some of the benchmarks that I have seen crop up lately:

Main page:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/gecube-1.html

Individual resolutions:
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1024.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1280.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0604/itogi-video-hl2-wxp-1600.html

The site has more with AA and AF.

Now, this site in particular is even more shady than normal because it is dealing with the beta version, but I have been seeing more and more of these (admittedly) shady reviews poppping up here and there showing the 6800 holding its own and even, at the extreme, pulling ahead.

Again, I expect ATI to actually end up leading the pack, but it looks like the 6800 may actually be a very good card for HL2. I willl have to see benchmarks from Tom/[H]/Anand before I believe the 6800 pulls ahead. Any nVIDIA card before the 6800 will be quite sad, though...

Wanting Doom 3 :(,
Ray

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59. Re: No subject Jul 31, 2004, 01:05 quazz
 
hey, I made a misspelled edit halfway trough the post (I kinda saw those comment comming).
quoting myself:
destroy the 'boost' in sales due to D3. I'm not saying that any card is better then the others here
Both compagny produce card that are extremely close in performance to each other. (I'd probably get the nVidia card if I were to upgrade. Actually, if I did have the money to upgrade, I'd wait later this year for PCI-e/more benchmark of DX9 game (ie: HL2))


edit: Got linkage to those 'recent' HL2 benchmark. I made my post assuming HL2 still perform better on ATi's hardware.
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58. No subject Jul 31, 2004, 00:21 gulo
 
new video is pretty cool
now I just want that damn game...


 
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57. Re: Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 23:46 TheNarcis
 
Are you suggesting that nvidia cards somehow suck, and will only play DOOM 3 well? Let me guess what brand you run.....hmmmmmmmm.


Thats the impression I got, bashing that article because of the truth between ATi/Valve. The most recent benchmarks shows the 6800's ahead of the x800's in Half Life 2 ... while being only beta from June Benchmarks, they better hope its not that way in the final product, or the fanboys have nothing to hold onto (since they are all saying wait till HL2 it will turn tables).

Since nVidia has the lead so far by the beta benchmarks I only see them (Valve) doing something tricky to nVidia to make them look less performance wise, of course nVidia will pick up on that.

And it dont suprise me since ATi is paying CryTek here to do this:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17537

So both companies (ATi/nVidia) have equal guilt.

 
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56. Re: Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 23:26 Gandhi
 
New Doom 3 video (supposedly, since I am currently in line to download it) -

http://www.fileplanet.com/download.aspx?f=143755

Edit - yep, it's new. Shows bits of the intro (which reminded me a lot of the intro of the first Half Life, of all things :D), followed by some action bits


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55. Re: Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 23:13 MindTrigger
 
quazz,

Are you suggesting that nvidia cards somehow suck, and will only play DOOM 3 well? Let me guess what brand you run.....hmmmmmmmm.

 
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54. August 6? Jul 30, 2004, 22:48 Jim
 
I'll bet at least 25% of the people who are waiting to get DOOM the second it hits the shelves will be finished playing the game by then.

The rest will still be too ingrossed in the game to want to see a GPhoria segment on it.

 
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53. Re: Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 21:06 quazz
 
The fact that it somehow ends up with the conclusion that nVidia's sale will go on and on for month while ignoring the fact that within 4 weeks all we're going to hear about is ATi and HL2.

And well, crap like this: "couple of months enjoyment out of the single player game". Yeah, right... months...

Sure, this will give a boost for nVidia's card for the next few weeks, but HL2 mass market appeal is going to completely destroy that (edit: destroy the 'boost' in sales due to D3. I'm not saying that nay card is better then the others here). And the difference in performance is only on high end card and other then the fanboy of these games/videocard manufacturers, most will actually look at some numbers on more then one single benchmark before buying anything.

It's just way too simple of an analysis that draws conclusion that we all came to months ago. This article would've been relevant last year. Oh, and it also fail to point out that DOOM3 perform better on nVidia's card because it's an OpenGL game (wich 90% of games out there don't use). But you wouldn't want to confuse the average inquirer's reader.

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52. Re: Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 20:01 TheNarcis
 
How you figure quazz?

That is exactly how the gaming industry is headed, but no online columnist has the balls to write about it, only message board people.

What sucked about it, the fact that ATi is in Valve's pockets? I think thats what it is.

 
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51. Re: Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 19:45 quazz
 
That article kinda suck. From a gamers point of view that knows more then that guy ever will about hardware atleast. I guess it's interesting to the average inquirer's reader/casual gamer...

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50. Great Article! Jul 30, 2004, 19:12 TheNarcis
 
By Wil Harris: Friday 30 July 2004, 20:14

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17554

SO IT LOOKS like we’re down to waiting just a couple of days for the gaming event of the Millennium so far: Doom III.
Anticipation is a funny thing. When something is a long way away, and you know you have a long time to wait until you can get hold of it, the wait doesn’t seem so bad. You can busy yourself with other things, concentrate on itty-bitty bits of rubbish in between. As the date looms closer, however, it’s harder and harder to concentrate on other things. Everything moves from your central thinking, out to your peripheral thinking, until your entire mind is consumed by whatever it is you are waiting for.

In a sense, it’s a bizarre feature of our psyche that seems to be programmed right into our innermost brain. It doesn’t have to be computer games: Christmas, a holiday, a night of nookie with a loved one, the feeling is the same. And it’s odd, because it’s such a destructive instinct. It’s entirely detrimental to our survival: can you imagine primeval man salivating over the prospect of his new stone tool, anticipation at fever pitch, then getting knocked off by a sabre tooth tiger? It’s not good.

This leads me to question just how healthy it is for the gaming industry to be centred so heavily on just a few key releases, raising anticipation to such high levels at the expense of other titles being released. Undoubtedly, it’s good for id Software: they get treated like royalty by both gamers and the hardware companies that support them, and they’ll make a fortune from sales of the game and licensing of the technology.

It’s a double-edged sword for hardware companies. In essence, the performance of your hardware in the game will make or break a generation, or multiple generations, of hardware – making your sales almost entirely conducive on the performance of one product. Of course, if you come out looking good, you can expect sales to rocket – but if you come out looking bad, you’re in for a tough time. Based on Doom 3 results, who would ever bother to buy an ATI card for at least the next 3 months?

For gamers, I would argue that this focus is utterly detrimental to their interests. Undoubtedly, Doom 3 is going to kick ass, and there’ll be a good couple of months enjoyment out of the single player game, and the licensing will give us a few good games over the coming years. But why isn’t all the attention being poured into Doom 3 going into other games?

Sure, ATI and Nvidia have big developer relations teams that spend time with games houses helping them out. But if just a little time had been taken out of the Doom 3 team, would we be seeing STALKER already? Whilst ATI appear to pour infinite resources into Half Life 2 (for little effect, seemingly), why didn’t they spend more time making sure they didn’t suck at Doom 3, or even sorting out the appalling image quality that they pump out in Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow?

And the situation gets worse. When crucial hardware companies ‘nuture’ certain titles, you effectively split the gaming community. Right now, we are looking at Haf Life 2 shipping in September, and Doom 3 shipping this month. If you are going to buy a graphics card, what are you going to do? Go with Nvidia for Doom 3, or ATI for HL2? Taking it to it’s logical conclusion, one day we’re eventually going to end up needing two different systems geared towards different games from different software houses. Not only that, but buying figures get horrendously skewed depending on who’s game is out at a particular time. ATI quite rightly pointed out to me, last week, that their performance in Doom 3 isn’t up to scratch yet, but that it had faster performance in almost any other game out there that wasn’t Doom 3 – but I can guarantee that their sales will take a disproportionate hit over the next couple of months. On the other side of the coin, Gabe Newell looks like a bit of a tit, now, for proclaiming that Nvidia was just not fast enough to run HL2. Sure, lots of ATI money might have swung his way, but by tying HL2 to ATI, he’s now ignored the fact that the new Nvidia 6 series architecture now kicks some ass and will surely put in decent performance.

To go back to my original point, hardware buyers would get better advice on what hardware to buy if the hardware market wasn’t so centred around one or two games – journalists would be able to take a more rounded view of things. Secondly, game buyers would get more quality games all year round, rather than one or two huge releases spread out across long periods of time. I’m not actively encouraging mediocrity, but it seems a little inequitable that id Software, who would have made Doom 3 kick ass anyway, eat up so much of the tech world’s collective consciousness – at the expense of lots of other cool stuff.

I had lots of other things I wanted to say in this column, but I just can’t concentrate. Even as I write, this stuff is slipping from my mind, my brain is lapsing… what was the Doom 3 release date again? And how many hours is that? µ

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49. Re: electra Jul 30, 2004, 19:04 Ihya
 
I was going to post this in Ootb but Halsy and Josh are clashing egos over there.

Some lucky bastard got his Doom 3 early:

http://boards.ign.com/Doom_3/b5646/63929546/?6

 
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48. Re: electra Jul 30, 2004, 18:56 Yakumo
 
"Asia Carera" yes! so sorry, i jsut got the 2 of them mixed up, that's exactly who i was thinking of when i wrote that... damn, soz.

 
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47. Re: rockclimber Jul 30, 2004, 18:02 TheNarcis
 
sorry, I didn't realize I was dealing with a message board that is comprised primarily of the worlds most self-righteous adult males that regularly get laid be women that are infinately more attractive than Carmen Electra and Pamula Anderson. My bad.


Its all about self-esteam my friend. Besides I have a thing for Asians and Latin women only. /shrug

 
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46. Weather Forecast Jul 30, 2004, 17:51 Ronin
 
OK, this is really kinda freaky and cool at the same time, so I'm probably going to end up posting this more than once.

I just checked out the weather forecast for next week (wanted to see if it was worth washing my car). August 2nd and August 4th there are predictions of thunderstorms, and cloudy for the 3rd.

Oh, I forgot to mention, this is Arizona. We don't get a lot of rain...or clouds, for that matter.

Cue twilight zone music....

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