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198. Re: Warhawk Aug 2, 2004, 14:55 JediLuke
 
True, but THAT WAS NOT BUSH's FAULT! You cannot blame him for the CIA blowing their part of the job.

You missed the point. I said it was irresponsible to present it to the public the way that they did. I'm talking about Colin Powell making speeches with a vial of anthrax, Ashcroft talking about "imminent threats" and such. Come on man, can you really forget about this stuff so quickly? Go watch Farenheit 9/11 for a refresher.

I agree, but what harm has it done? I don't want an essay, give me ONE concrete example of how you personally are harmed by the Patriot Act.

Stop being so fucking simple. No, it hasn't done anything to ME. But there have been plenty of very frightening examples of the government "protecting" us. The complaceny and ignorance you're demonstrating is the scarier part, however. There was a particular story involving the FBI detaining a professor illegally and refusing to release the corpse of his wife that I couldn't locate, but these oughta suffice:

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/ifissues/usapatriotactlibrary.htm
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR29.1/scarry.html
http://www.patriotwatch.org/
http://brownequalsterrorist.com/artiststatement/
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/this_just_in/documents/03885837.asp

Happy reading.

In the long run, yes. The country was a known supporter of terrorism

I don't think so. You do realize that there were other options besides a ground war, right? You do realize that there was no connection established between Al-Qaeda and 9/11 and Saddam, right? You do realize how many American soldiers and Iraqi civilians have died in Iraq, right?

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch10.pdf

"Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12,President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11. “See if Saddam did this,” Clarke recalls the President telling them.“See if he’s linked in any way."

"Rice’s chief staffer on Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, concurred in its conclusion that only some anecdotal evidence linked Iraq to al Qaeda.The memo found no “compelling case” that Iraq had either planned or perpetrated the attacks."

"Arguing that the case for links between Iraq
and al Qaeda was weak, the memo pointed out that Bin Ladin resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Finally, the memo said, there was no confirmed reporting on Saddam cooperating with Bin Ladin on unconventional weapons."

There's a lot more, but you can read it yourself. Again, does this information correspond with the manner in which the Bush administration presented the case to the American public? I don't think so. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you're not close with anyone who's over there, or who has been killed in Iraq? Somehow I feel if this were the case, or if you had to go yourself, you'd feel a little differently. Or maybe you'd jump at the chance to torture petty criminals in an Iraqi prison, who knows.

He DID support the war, but constantly lies about it.

Example?

I just mentioned it as an example of a President stating a position in his candidacy and keeping that stand after being elected despite intense political pressure.

Uh, right, because Bush has led exactly the way he indicated he would when he was running for election...

Honestly, it seems very clear that you just don't like Kerry for some reason and are reaching for ways to justify it. I agree that the guy isn't terribly charismatic and I think that this nation could probably do better, but that's all very much beside the point. I think you need to clear your head and do some more reading and considering.

~Steve

 
http://stevegoldbergmusic.com
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