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RtCW Sequel!

Another G4/Tech TV DOOM 3-related video is now available on Doom3Maps.de (thanks PlanetWolfenstein and Frans), this time offering a Q&A with id CEO Todd Hollenshead. During their conversation, Todd confirms the already stated plan for id's next internal project to be an entirely new intellectual property, and drops the news along the way that some unnamed third party is currently at work on an as-yet not officially announced sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, the World War II shooter originally built on Quake III technology.

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61. RtCW Sequel! [J Jul 20, 2004, 10:37 DG
 
FWIW, my archeology flatmate at uni played through my RTCW SP, and commented on how some of it was (very loosely, of course) based on fact. There was definately Nazi archeology going on related to the occult. Of course, none of it was realised, as it was in the game, unless you want to don the tinfoil hat anyway. But the game is not meant and was never claimed to be historically accurate, so its a moot, if interesting point.

Anyway, gaming messaging boards arent exactly somewhere to go for history lessons, tbh


MHO was RTCW singleplayer was good fun, but not a GREAT game, and I'd have preffered it without zombies etc, only a few of which were good to play against. Singleplayer alone is well worth the budget price it's available at now though.

RTCW really became a fantastic game with multiplayer, the best multiplayer game I've ever played by far, and ET is the only other game in the genre that works (unless you count fortress types).

ET is very similar to RTCW in lots of ways, particularily on paper, but in practice the game is quite different, RTCW is comparatively tactical and arcade, ET is more strategic and has an RPG element (i.e., bigger maps with more stages and "experence" levelling up bonuses). Not liking one of the two games definately doesnt mean not liking the other, unless it's the fundamental gameplay of class-based teamplay and objectives you dont like.

 
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60. Re: Cthulhu Jul 20, 2004, 03:21 Zephalephelah
 
Actually, Cthulhu would simply sigh. He was so powerful it wouldn't be anything but another argument among idiot pagans to him. He would not care in the least.

I never believed in Cthulhu. But from what I understand of the legend, he was ruthless whenever angred into action, and utterly invulerable in his immense power.

 
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59. Re: Bleh. Jul 19, 2004, 22:39 Elrix
 
These amazing revelations into the occult are causing great Cthulhu much anger!

 
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58. Re: Bleh. Jul 19, 2004, 21:15 Zephalephelah
 
"actually, he did have standing missions in search of the "spear of destiny", and the "holy grail" as well as a host of other truly bizzarre endeavors...

its been documented, but its not the kind of thing that is largely publicized because its not "normal"

do some research if you REALLY want to know... there is plenty of evidence out there"

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The problem Space Captain, is that while you are able to realize the most simple, basic facts about Germany's WW2 occult research & missions, no one else here is willing to understand that Nazi Germany wasn't only into the Thule occult, but anything & everything at any price.

I forgot about the Spear of Destiny. How could I have forgotten that one? The spear that impaled Christ on the cross. In fact, a lot of people believe that this has been found and altered over the past 2 millenia with ornamental additions, etc. But I sincerely doubt it has any power. The holy grail which contains the blood of Christ may have had some power, but even if Jesus was God, he was still a man too and that blood dried up long ago. The Germans were blind sheep then to follow fascism and their most obviously blind sheep now to follow any unbelief of the true state of their leader's ugliness in World War 2. It really doesn't bother me if you don't want to watch the movie which contains some truly disturbing video from the time, if you wish to remain ignorant, please feel free. Nothing has stopped you up to this point.

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57. No subject Jul 19, 2004, 14:34 space captain
 
wow thats genius... you mean he didnt actually find the holy grail??? HOLY SHIT WHAT A FUCKING REVELATION

get real

"did you know 1 + 1 = 2???" .... uh YES, DUMBASS

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56. Re: Bleh. Jul 19, 2004, 14:11 JoeCool
 
Just because he was serching for the Holy grail so he could become doesn't mean it was going to happen. You can wish to be a god in 1 hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster.

 
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55. Re: Bleh. Jul 19, 2004, 12:43 space captain
 
actually, he did have standing missions in search of the "spear of destiny", and the "holy grail" as well as a host of other truly bizzarre endeavors...

its been documented, but its not the kind of thing that is largely publicized because its not "normal"

do some research if you REALLY want to know... there is plenty of evidence out there

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54. Re: No subject Jul 19, 2004, 12:35 carnevil47
 
"apparently YOU are the idiot and fool, and apparently you need to do ALOT MORE reading."

While that is an impressive account of how the Nazi Party dabbled in the occult, It doesnt support Zephalal arguements really. Your post does not prove that

1.) "They spent years and vast sums of money searching for the Holy Grail, the cross of Crist, Noah's Ark, and believed heavily in demons. They, just like Satan, wanted to be like god, to have his power. Why do you think they killed the Jews? They're God's chosen people! That's exactly why they were killed."

2.)"They wants things like spirit guns, golems, and any spiritual power at any price, if even they would damn their very souls."

3.)"Much of the German youth believe the Jewish Holocost never happened. In fact, this is a growing belief"

My arguement was against Zephalala claim stating that we are all ignorant and stupid becuase were not buying his occult conspiracy. So maybe Hitler does dabble in the occult, however, we do not know if he sponsered organizied research into that stuff.


 
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53. Re: No subject Jul 19, 2004, 12:22 Panick
 
Hu...? Did I type in the wrong url? I was sure this was a gaming site, not WW2 history, but the topic is rtcw 2 (=nazis) so I guess it was inevitable

I just hope the gfx will be good and the action tense, it's ID, it's what they do best, why expect anythin else?


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52. No subject Jul 19, 2004, 11:55 space captain
 
apparently YOU are the idiot and fool, and apparently you need to do ALOT MORE reading

Hitler was part of a secret society called the "Thule Society", which had as their symbol the 'swastika' which Adolf later adopted for his use in the nazi party...

The Thule Society inner circle had the following beliefs:

Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings (similar to the "Masters" of Theosophy or the White Brotherhood).

The truly initiated could establish contact with these beings by means of magic-mystical rituals.

The "Masters" or "Ancients" allegedly would be able to endow the initiated with supernatural strength and energy.

With the help of these energies the goal of the initiated was to create a race of Supermen of "Aryan" stock who would exterminate all "inferior" races.

On April 6, 1919, in Bavaria, left wing socialists and anarchists proclaimed the Bavarian Soviet Republic. The brains of the revolution were a group of writers who had little idea of administration. Life in munich grew chaotic. The counter-revolutionary forces, the whites, composed of various groups of decommissioned soldiers known as "Frei Corps", equipped and financed by the mysterious Thule Society, defeated the Bavarian Soviet within a matter of weeks.

Many other decommissioned soldiers waited out the turbulence in barracks, pfc Adolph Hitler among them. After the Bavarian Republic had been defeated by the Whites, in May, Hitler's superiors put him to work in the post revolution investigating commission. His indictments injected ruthless efficiency into the kangaroo courts as he fingered hundreds of noncommissioned officers and enlisted men who had sympathized with the communist and anarchists. He was subsequently sent to attend special anticommunist training courses and seminars at the University which were financed by the Reichswehr administration and by private donors from the Thule Society.

This led to an assignment in the intelligence division of the postwar German army, to infiltrate groups that could organize the working classes while the communists were weak. On a September evening, 1919, Hitler turned up in the Sternecker Beer Hall where members and friends of the budding German Workers Party had gathered. He quietly listened to the presentation by engineer Gottfried Feder, a Thule Society member, who talked about jewish control over lending capital. When one of the other group members called for Bavaria to break away from the rest of Germany, Hitler sprang into action. The astonished audience stood by while his highly aggressive remarks and compelling oratory swept through the room. After Hitler had finished his harangue, party chairman and founder, Anton Drexler, immediately asked him to a meeting of the party's steering committee held a few days later. He was asked to join the committee as its seventh member, responsible for advertising and propaganda.

Back in 1912, several German occultists with radical anti-semitic inclinations decided to form a "magic" lodge, which they named the Order of Teutons. the main founders were Theodor Fritsch, a publisher of an anti-semitic journal; Philipp Stauff, pupil of the racist Guido Von List, and Hermann Pohl, the order's chancellor. (Pohl would drop out three years later to found his own bizarre lodge, the Walvater Teutonic Order of the Holy Grail.) The Order of Teutons was organized along the lines of the Free Masons or the Rosicrucians, having differing degrees of initiation, only persons who could fully document that they were of pure "aryan" ancestry were allowed to join.

In 1915, Pohl was joined by Rudolf Blauer, who held a Turkish passport and practiced sufi meditation. He also dabbled in astrology and was an admirer of Lanz Von Liebenfels and Guido Von List, both pathologically anti-semitic. Blauer went by the name of Rudolf Freiherr Von Seboottendorf. He was very wealthy, although the origin of his fortune is unknown. He became the Grand Master of the Bavarian Order and he founded the Thule Society, with Pohl's approval, in 1918.

After the Bavarian communist revolution of 1918, the Thule Society became a center of the counterrevolutionary subculture. An espionage network and arms caches were organized. The Thule Club rooms became a nest of resistance to the revolution and the Munich Soviet Republic.

Journalist Karl Harrer was given the job of founding a political "worker circle". He realized that the workers would reject any program that was presented to them by a member of the conservative "privileged" class. Harrer knew that the mechanic Anton Drexler, who was working for the railroads, was a well-known anti-semite, chauvinist and proletarian. With drexler as nominal chairman, Harrer founded the German Workers Party in January 1919

The German Workers Party was only one of many associations founded and controlled by the Thule Society. The Thule was the Mother to the German Socialist Party, led by Julius Streicher, and the right-wing radical Oberland Free Corps. It published the Munich observer, which later became the National Observer. Hitler became the most prominent personality in the party. He caused Harrer to drop out, and he pushed Drexler, the nominal chairman, to the sidelines. He filled key positions with his own friends from the Thule Society and the Army. During the summer of 1920, upon his suggestion, the party was renamed the National Socialist German Worker Party (NASDAP). The new name was intended to equally attract nationalists and proletarians.

To go along with the new name his mass movement also required a flag with a powerful symbol. Among many designs under consideration, Hitler picked the one suggested by Thule member Dr. Krohn: a red cloth with a white circle in the middle containing a black swastika.



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51. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 10:25 carnevil47
 
"You bring up a really good point though. The Japanese dropped all their guns and have never since engaged in war. Meanwhile, the German's also profited in many ways (minus the tragedy of East Berlin) and they are *STILL to this very day a bunch of arrogant assholes."

You sir are an idiot and a fool. I cannot believe you can call us ignorant of history and yet make such and astounding and incredulous statement. FYI, the Japanese never admitted all the atrocities they committed against China and American POWs. Nanking Massacre? Never happened according to the Japanese. The Japanese refuse to give reparements for all the victimes they tortures during WW2. Infact,the Japanese school system does not even focus on the causes of WW2. The only real mention of WW2 is the Atomic bomb. At least Germany admitted that they killed millions of jews and payed for it. The Japanese have not made such an apology. SO to suggest that Japan is not as guilty as Germany is simply preposterous. (Evidence can be found in the book "The Rape of Nanking.)

"Watch the fucking movie, sit down, and Shut the FUCK UP!"

Hey I got an even better idea, READ A FUCKING BOOK. Since when is the media a source of reliable information? Media is known to twist facts just so it can look intersting ito average viewers. I read many books written by well known historians, and none of them mention the scale of the occult that you seem to be ranting about. I cant believe you think that T.V and movies is the way to enlighten someone. Even Micheal Moores movie 9/11 has some factual errors. (as described n last month's issue of time magazine)

"The fact remains that many Germans are being taught that it did not happen"

Again you have no idea what your talking about. Of course the Germen ppl know about what happened in the Holocaust. The schools are required to focus on that aspect. The reason they dont teach about the occult is because there is no fucking evidence that proves suck ridicioulous theories. You sir are a troll. Your not as enlightned and smart as you think you are.

 
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50. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 10:25 Enahs
 
wow

Can me and Halsy go back to arguing over the current crop of man made green house gases causing global warming? As, even if I took up the position that the Atmosphere did not exist, the conversation would still not be a stupid as some of this stuff going on here!

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49. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 10:16 nin
 
If this six million weren't jews would they be remembered like it is now? I don't think so.


I would certainly hope so. Millions were killed in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge in the 70s.

There is the theory of the moebius, a twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop time becomes a loop time becomes a loop http://www.loopz.co.uk/
 
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48. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 10:13 Species8472
 
great, and now even a Nazi poster...

...remember folks, the 88 stands in neo-nazi-code for HH (H = 8. letter in alphabet) which means Heil Hitler...

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47. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 10:07 Annihilus88
 
You hit the nail on the head hobby! Jews created (Karl marx) and manipulated communism and the germans were just scared that their country would get taken over by this bloodthirsty ideolgy. Remember that more people died under communism that nazism. If this six million weren't jews would they be remembered like it is now? I don't think so. Though im not denying jews were killed its physically impossible to kill six million in such a small space of time. Things always get exaggerated when stuff happens, notice that?

 
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46. Re: Quake 4 ? Jul 19, 2004, 10:05 The Half Elf
 
Um Styopa it was stolen and people are being prosocuted for it.

 
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45. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 09:48 hkm
 
The fact remains that many Germans are being taught that it did not happen.

You are an ignorant fool. Or more likely, a troll.

 
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44. Re: Hmmmm... Jul 19, 2004, 09:31 pete
 
The fact remains that many Germans are being taught that it did not happen.

the whole reason alot of cold-war era communist factions sprung up in Germany, like RAF, had to do with their anger at the things their forfathers had done, and the ex-nazis who were still powerful in germany

 
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43. Re: Quake 4 ? Jul 19, 2004, 09:29 Styopa
 
"According to EBGames.com as well as some other sites HL2 is shown to be shipping on 9/01/2004 ish. Maybe it will be gold this month."

Unless the code gets 'stolen' again. AHAHAHAHAAHHAHAH

 
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42. Re: Regarding the Supernatural Jul 19, 2004, 09:22 Species8472
 
The fact remains that many Germans are being taught that it did not happen.

You Sir are (plain and simple) an idiot.

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