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One of the warnings the tykes we are babysitting came with is that the younger one does not react well to refined sugar, but that if we wanted to, we could probably get away with a trip for ice cream. Since a disagreement between the boys cancelled the Bronx Zoo plan (which I think disappointed me most of all), we decided to take them to the local ice creamery. After the sugar warnings, you can imagine my horror when MrsBlue emerged with the boys (I was waiting outside with Hudson the wonder dog) each holding an ice cream cone covered with about a pound of M&Ms. Sure enough, the older one, who can be more of a handful generally, was okay, but the four-year-old fully and completely turned into the great Cornholio. No amount of T.P. for his bunghole was able to calm him, though dinner helped a bit, he was basically a monster for the rest of the day. Things are back to normal today, but the boys are not forgetting that they were each promised a piece of candy as a treat today, so we may be in for a repeat if that plan cannot be derailed. On the bright side, they are going home today, so if this results in a meltdown, at least part of it will be on their mom's watch.

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35. Re: Here we go again May 31, 2004, 12:18 banddirector
 
First off, many thanks to Enahs, nin, and Camaro76 for your suggestions. I still haven't got it working but I have another whole day to shoot doing this; I'll try the stuff you listed and see if it works.

A couple of other details: both drives are WinXP/NTFS formatted, so there's no size problems; I use a boot disk to do the imaging/cloning because when I use the "Windows" version of Ghost the new partition is just barely bigger than the old drive, leaving a huge amount of unallocated space; the error message I get when I try to use the new drive is right after the bios post, saying "error reading operating system" (and yes, I'm making sure the bios is reading the drive first).

I'm going to use Enah's XCOPY suggestion and see what happens. Again, thank you for your help and ideas!

 
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34. Re: Here we go again May 31, 2004, 10:54 Enahs
 
Do you have any more suggestions?

Hpmfh!

Is the hard drive you are copying from also NTFS? If it is something else, that could be causing trouble?

Also, try a different program then for shits and giggles, it is possible Ghost is screwing up , or you are screwing ghost up!

Ok, so let us try this.
Put your new larger hard drive in as D: (Or E or whatever).

Now, Before doing this next step I highly recommend cleaning out any temp files and defrag the old drive. Now create the proper partition on the new drive and format that partition.

In Start/Run type the following.
XCOPY C:\*.* D:\ /c/h/e/k/r
(All the /X’s are to copy attributes, read-only files, all sub-directories, hidden files, system files and to ignore errors.)

You might get a few “Replace existing file error” Hit “A” for “All”
Go watch a DVD, as people do not use this because it is SLOW, but worth a try.

Depending on many variables, you might have to do the fixboot and fixMBR on the drive again; I did not but it was a while ago, things may have changed.


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33. Kids May 31, 2004, 09:39 ZzeusS
 
Not having kids myself, only cats, what I do when they are acting wild and bugging me is to run the hell out of them with a laser pointer or chase them around. Wear them out.

Does this not work with children?

 
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32. Re: It Was the Porn That Made Them Do It May 31, 2004, 08:26 Ray Marden
 
Well, gosh knows the United States and its military has never taken such action before!

Right?

Er...guys?

Hello?

Where did everybody go?

Noting that we live here because we were *so* nice to Native Americans,
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31. Re: It Was the Porn That Made Them Do It May 31, 2004, 08:20 J/K
 
29.
yeah, thought so too. and somehow I really saw this comming, although I am surprised there was no video game scapegoating.
It's so ridiculous.

 
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30. Re: The Day After Tomorrow May 31, 2004, 08:20 Ray Marden
 
From all the "pretty, but stupid" reviews I have seen about this, I will wait until the DVD comes out. Of course, it looks like it will end up having about a seventy-million dollar weekend:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=22&p=.htm

Even though it looks like it will come in second this weekend, its average is a bit higher than that of Shrek 2; if it was on more theaters (3400 versus 4200,) it would likely be number one this weekend.

Edit: End of world movie? Go see Donnie Darko, I say!

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29. It Was the Porn That Made Them Do It May 31, 2004, 07:32 Tango
 
Excellent article.

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28. Re: Here we go again May 31, 2004, 03:49 nin
 
It didn't work. I suspect that maybe Norton Ghost isn't making a good clone. Before I have Ghost make the clone, I make sure the 160 gig disk is properly partitioned and formatted (1 primary partition, NTFS formatted, using WinXP disk manager). After the clone process is completed, I check the disk using disk manager, and it says that the disk is "healthy", but it's not "initialized".


I use Ghost all the time at work and have never seen this. Let me see if I can get some more info out of you...

1. Can you open the .gho file with Ghost Explorer? That's a good way to check and see if the image is valid/readable.

2. So you use Ghost to put the image on the new drive (disk FROM image file, browse, select the ghost file, come back in 20 minutes). What exactly happens when you boot with ONLY the new drive connected (after you've applied the image to it)? Are we talking dos error, blue screen, or what? (Remove all other drives from the equation, and then/if you can get it running, then introduce them one at a time until you hit a bump.) Can you F8 and get into safe mode or Last Known Working Config?

Ghost SHOULD (famous last words) be a able to take that smaller image and apply it to the larger drive, and you'll just have a partition with a larger amount of free space...I've never had to use any other tools.

Let us know how it goes...sorry if I asked a question you already answered (I skimmed your post, but might have missed something).

edit: Now that I think about it, what's your OS? Can't remember the deal with drives over 120 gig and with older systems needing an IDE card to read the drive? Sorry, it's 3AM and I'm blanking...somebody throw me a bone here.

edit again: Here we go...137 gig and above...this is from Maxtor's site, but it applies to any large drive (and no one give me shit over tinyurl, the original link will hose this thread. :D)

http://tinyurl.com/2styn

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27. Re: Here we go again May 31, 2004, 01:17 Camaro76
 
Have you tried using the GDisk utility that comes with Ghost? Also you might want to look at Ghost 2003 pdf guide on Norton's site... There's a bunch of stuff in there about the MBR, boot.ini, etc.

This is prolly gonna ruin the site formatting, but:

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/products/ghost/manuals/ghost2003_guide.pdf

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26. No subject May 30, 2004, 23:58 RazorWynd
 
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25. Re: Here we go again May 30, 2004, 23:44 banddirector
 
Rats.

It didn't work. I suspect that maybe Norton Ghost isn't making a good clone. Before I have Ghost make the clone, I make sure the 160 gig disk is properly partitioned and formatted (1 primary partition, NTFS formatted, using WinXP disk manager). After the clone process is completed, I check the disk using disk manager, and it says that the disk is "healthy", but it's not "initialized". Before the clone, the disk is "healthy" and "online". So I suspect that the clone is somehow boogered. Anyway, using Fixboot and Fixmbr from the windows cd boot doesn't fix the problem - - the new drive still doesn't boot.

Do you have any more suggestions?

 
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24. BOOM May 30, 2004, 23:04 wasrad
 
Sturmovik!

 
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23. Re: No subject May 30, 2004, 22:58 Bronco
 
From what I remember reading, that whole sugar = altered behaviour in kids has been debunked, no?

I don't know about sugar but I can tell you that food with highly refined starches makes one of my kids nuts.

Sounds a lot like what Blue went through. Of course, the kids he was dealing with eventually left. Mine are upstairs sleeping. Who's the smarter man now?

It should be noted that the weather today was as close to perfection as I have ever seen. What an incredible weekend we are having.


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22. Re: Yeah! May 30, 2004, 21:56 Rigs
 
"I am the great Cornholio!!! I need T.P. for my bunghole!"

"Put that down, sir..."

"Are you threatening me?!?...My bunghole can not talk but I know it needs T.P.! Do you have any T.P.?"

"I don't think so, sir. Now please put that down or I'll have to call security..."

"My bunghole needs security! Yes, yes, bring me security for my bunghole!"

"For the last time, sir, please put that down or I'll call the police!"

"Does your bunghole need security?!? I am the great Cornholio! Oilio, Holio...ya, ya, ya, ya..."

"Beavis, put that down, you dumbass"

*SMACK*



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21. Re: Here we go again May 30, 2004, 20:56 banddirector
 
Thanks for the advice! I actually thought about what you suggested, but I wasn't sure it would work. I'll give it a try and let you know ....

 
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20. Re: The Day After Tomorrow May 30, 2004, 20:42 Halsy
 
I just got back from it and while there wasn't a real storyline to speak of (and incredibly crappy ending) the effects were pretty good (wolves were kind of cheesy). I'd say it's worth seeing on the big screen not because it's a great film (but it ain't bad), but the special FX are worth seeing on the big screen.

The message is important though. The Pentagon says it's the biggest threat facing the world over the next several years.

An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security:

http://www.icomm.ca/survival/pentagon_climate_change.pdf


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19. 60 minutes... May 30, 2004, 20:31 Brick
 
Anyone watch 60 minutes... Holy Crap! that was movng.... :(.

 
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18. Re: Here we go again May 30, 2004, 19:50 Enahs
 
So what am i doing wrong? Or do I have to reinstall windows from scratch on the new drive, and suffer the pain of reinstalling all my programs. As always, any help from your vast expertise is greatly appreciated!


I got ya covered BandDirector!

With the information copied over to new you/larger hard drive, take the old one out and make the new one primary/master on IDE port 1 (Make it c:!). Do NOT put your old one back in yet, as the following step could recognize it and screw it up!


Now, the following is for WinXP and 2000, though other versions should be similar.

Put in your Windows install CD and boot to it.
Under NO circumstances are you to hit “F2” or “Automated System Recovery”.
I repeat, do NOT hit “F2” or “Automated System Recovery”!!!
Let it go through its thing, and then do a repair existing installation.

This will bring up a “command” prompt. Use “Help” (without quotes) if you need help getting around.

Using the help command, find the command to repair the “Boot Sector” AND the “MBR” or Master Boot Record, though I am pretty sure it will be just listed as MBR.

I can not tell you the specific commands to type in by memory, but you should be able to figure it out with the “HELP”.

Then, try booting to the Hard Drive and see if it works, it will though!

Just uhh, make sure to NOT do it to the old/small/working drive!

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Do not forget to configure Windows for/to your new hard drive! Make sure it is in the correct (U)DMA and PIO mode etc, and such!



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17. Re: The Day After Tomorrow May 30, 2004, 19:42 Scottish Martial Arts
 
Yeah I saw TDAT as well. I suppose I was entertained but it did have some laughably bad moments. Outrunning the freezing cold air for example. That and being attacked by blatantly CG wolves. Did like Dennis Quaid's character though if only that he reminded me of my Dad for some reason or another.

 
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16. Re: The Day After Tomorrow May 30, 2004, 19:28 Hump
 
The trailer made me want to see it. I grew up on stupid 70's disaster flicks so this was right up my alley. After the reviews though, I may just wait until it shows up a Blockbuster.

BTW, I think Roland Emmerich has been pegged to direct the Battletech movie. Lets hope they get a decent writer on board for that one.

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