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I had along-overdue visit with the eye doctor yesterday, though it turns out my glasses prescription hasn't changed (I'm nearsighted), so the delay was of no consequence. I forgot, however, to try to satisfy my curiosity when he asked me if I had any questions, because I wanted to ask him his thoughts on that LASER eye surgery (I'm guessing he gets that a lot). I will follow-up with him on this directly soon enough, but I decided to lay some groundwork on the web... searching for "LASER eye surgery problems" (naturally the aspect of this I am most curious about) turned up enough of an abundance of results to turn anyone off to the prospect. A more refined search for "Custom LASIK problems" was much less pessimistic, though, with the majority of hits from eye doctor sites discussing potential complications. Along the way I learned that the Custom LASIK is also capable of coping with astigmatisms too (though mine is considered quite mild to start with), so it's possible I'm a candidate for this. At this point I admit to still being a bit doubtful about all this... I'm not much of a gambler, and I'm reluctant to risk my vision in order to take the chance on improving it, but I am still tugged by curiosity, so if anyone has any links or information about the pros and cons of this procedure, I'd be very interested.

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168. Re: $0.02 Apr 14, 2004, 18:36 Morlock
 
referenda are bad ways of deciding anything, especially if the public is ignorant (by that I mean misinformed, underinformed, or informed by someone with a vested interest).

What's to be uninformed about? Either you want to redefine marriage or you don't, either you want to allow the murder of unborn children, or you don't, either you want to give the government a higher percentage of your taxes, or you don't. None of these decisions requires an expert.

Problems with turnout - only those sufficiently bothered turn out

One part of me says we need to make voting easier, and another part says tough noogie. Those who don't turn out vote "I don't care" by their absence.

When you think about the enormous cost of organising elections,

Referenda aren't elections, so they don't require the same expenditures as elections. I agree that some people are apathetic, but aren't they abdicating responsibility when they don't vote in a referendum? People do have the right to abstain, after all.

to ask people to turn out (and support the cost of doing so) for gay marriage, abortion, war in iraq, or anything else that someone somewhere cares enough about... then you realise what is wrong with referenda.

Well, when the referendum is piggy-backed on a preexisting election, then you realize that there is no problem with referenda. The problems with referenda aren't inherent to referenda, they're inherent to the voters. C'est la democracie, non?

"...Athens...where the citizens all voted on laws directly"
This is not true, the "democracy" in Athens excluded women, children, and the poor. It wasn't "majority rule", it was "Majority of Rich Men Rule".

You're dithering over matters of enfranchisement, not the definition of democracy. Slaves, women, children, and the poor were not citizens.

Those who don't want, don't pay? I am certain administering a system like that would do wonders to lessen the government's size and involvement in every American's life...

Well, lessee, what with the digital age and the trillions that taxpayers could put back into their pockets, maybe folks could put their heads together and tackle this amorphous problem you mention.

Which brings us to the general point of your arguments - You believe Liberals (or pinkos, or leftists, or communists, or social marxists) are hijacking America, and creating a federal government which is way too involved in citizens lives. This bugs you because the Constitution, bill of rights, and truly the creation of your country was to eliminate this bullshit. You seem to understand the original intent of the constitution, and want it to be realized in modern America, but at the same time wish to say "Fuck you, American Constitution, I'm with the Christians and writing their anti-gay position into law"

Not at all. If returning to Constitutional law is REALLY on the table, I'd agree to redefining marriage in a nano-second. What I won't agree to is allowing the redefinition of marriage on Constitutional grounds when the Constitution is in fact dead (at least as far its true purpose and nature go - it does survive as a tool of the federal government). I won't agree to, "aww gee, the Constitution didn't manage to stop the socialists in 99 out of 100 illegal government usurpations of power, but goshdarnit, these socialists are right, we've got to draw the line on the same-sex 'marriage' thing!" This is especially the case when the same people who cannibalized the Constitution are the ones trying to use it to advocate redefining marriage.

It is to laff.

Dude, your small points (such as reason comes from my digestional reactions to various things) do a great job of highlighting the fact you are a short sighted moron who argues in circles, and your argument as a whole is totally contradictory

You just saying my argument is totally contradictory, without any supporting argument, carries something like, oh, zero weight. You'll have to get into specifics. By the way, digestional STILL isn't a word.

Edit: I just noticed your strawman (Dude, your small points (such as reason comes from my digestional reactions to various things)). You are a class A fucktard. I NEVER said that you fucking total moron. Jesus, this is like debate through the grapevine with you. QUOTE ME idiot. I said DISGUST comes from the gut. HOW exactly are DISGUST and REASON coterminous?

Moron.

(I like the Constitution, I support anti-constitution constitutional amendments).

I explained my postion below, and again above for the cheap seats.

Your suggestions for improving the situation are not thought out past your angry current post, and are often contradictory to what you posted 3 posts ago.

Again, you'll have to go into more detail than, "dude, you're wrong, cuz like I say so heh."

You are reflecting such stupidity in your typing that three people are currently illustrating the flaws in your arguments, and no one (aside from bangrsmencesjh who got a map to the door handed to him) will defend your position (which rapidly changes from post to post). Still, somehow you manage to ignore all of it, and keep spouting off the same BS. What's your real name, George Bush?

You're going to have to do better than yakking about all the flaws in my argument. If they're so glaring, you should be able to point them out with minimal effort.

This comment was edited on Apr 14, 18:40.
 
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