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I havent attacked you at all, just your ignorant posts: Please, oh please respond Okay, since you asked so nicely, I'll respond.
"For Christ's sweet sake man, it isn't semantics! Marriage is a union of woman and man, how much more simple can this possibly be? " No simpler, it can only be more complex. First, when marriage laws were written in the USA, no studies whatsoever had been undertaken to see if homosexuality had biological origins - thus, without this piece of information, the original law was flawed or wrong, not considering the ramifications of such research. Research has all shown that homosexuality has biological origins, and thus (since it in not a choice), laws, acts, or even actions against homosexuality become DISCRIMINATION.
Discrimination is just another word for choice. Someone else put it quite nicely:"When I order steak instead of hamburger, I'm discriminating." Discrimination is another one of those words that carries all sorts of unnecessary baggage. Everyone whines about discrimination, yet lauds "freedom of choice." I would go on about how obviously oxymoronic this is, but I'll digress no further.
Who cares if homosexuality has biological origins or not? I certainly don't. What about homosexuality, or it's origins, necessitates warping the definition of marriage? What about homosexuality requires that we destroy marriage to make homosexuals happy? Why don't they come up with their own damn institution - Garriage, maybe?
You say gay people and straight people have the same rights: They do not. Yes, they do. Repeating that lie will not make it true. The truth isn't invalidated by your refusal to accept it.
Marriage enables a straight couple to reap tax benefits which are unavailable to homosexuals, unless they fake a "straight" marriage... clearly an affront to marriage as a concept from "time immemorial". Ehehehe, oh, now you're advocating redefining marriage (and destroying it in the process) as defending the sanctity of marriage? That's quite the sophism. LOL.
Face it, the only arguments you guys can come up with (after paring away all the obfuscation, ad hominem attack, and strawman argument), is "come on, be nice, why are you being so mean?" Sort of like when mommy says no candy before dinner, and all the kiddies get all bent out of shape at the wrongness of it all.
Which would you rather have, fake gay-straight marriages abusing the law in your country, or changed laws (which were flawed at the time of inception)? I don't see how fake marriages of any kind are an abuse of the law. I also don't see how allowing same-sex "marriage" would eliminate fake marriages, on the whole. The fake marriages you refer to could just be replaced by fake same-sex "marriages" where college roommates get "married" to save on their taxes, etc. Note that you brought up this line of argumentation, I didn't, so keep that in mind when "that's just silly" springs to mind.
By writing the laws to exclude a natural state of being (homosexual) That never happened, so the arguments based upon it are invalid.
and affording one group of another natural state of being, your country has engaged in state sponsored discrimination No, it hasn't.
To put it in an unrelated analogy you can follow: If the original laws for murder did not include murder with depleted uranium (which was not weaponized at the time of espousal of murder laws) would it make sense to pardon those murdering w/depleted uranium? I'm sure you know the answer to that. Would the laws be changed to fit science? Not if you had your "time immemorial" way. It's not much of an analogy, so you were at least sucessful in that regard. Murder laws aren't specific as to means, only end. To relate your analogy back to marriage, it's like arguing that marriage laws didn't originally include voodoo ceremonies, so those marriages presided over by houngans should be invalid. This isn't the case. The marriage laws don't care what religious means (ceremony) are used to achieve the end (marriage - woman and man).
You don't hear a lot of dog-fuckers, incest-makers, or ass-to-mouthers demanding marriage rights (ATMs not included) or laws allowing their practice, simply because they see that their perversions/whatever are by choice, not a biological phenomenon. Now you're trying to make your assumptions into natural law, but I'm not buying. Religiousity and ethnocentrism have been linked to genetic factors, why not sexual perversion? How exactly do you know that bestiality, incest, and oral-anal fetishes aren't inborn?
Rewriting marriage laws based upon a more accurate assessment of Human Nature ascertained via the miracle of science I do not see how an accurate assessment of human nature necessarily leads to redefining marriage to include same-sex "marriage," just because we can all agree that homosexuality is not pathological (for the purposes of argument - there's certainly a strong argument to be made that it is maladaptive). This sort of presupposes that the only reason marriage was gender-specific in the first place was to exclude homosexuals, which I find ridiculous.
If you don't believe me, back in "Time Immemorial", religious fuckhats and the morons who followed them pushed their agenda to an extreme - resulting in the Dark Ages. And the JEsus-Miracle of the Crusades. Well, "religious fuckhats" also managed to preserve western knowledge throughout the dark ages, and managed to set the stage for the enlightenment and the principles of human rights, so I guess Christianity wasn't a total loss, now was it? Again, I'm not a Christian, but I really don't understand the liberal distaste for Christianity.
A constitutional amendment including anything religious (such as anti-homo legislation) would have the founders of your country rolling in their graves. The founders are rolling in their graves at much of the current political and legal situation in America, why exactly should this issue be the place to put a stop to it?
Supporting a constitutional amendment to this end signifies that you have no knowledge about your countries' fantastic inception, and agreeing with the impartation of Christian Law into your country's is about as unpatriotic as you can get. Err, do you want to be alone with your strawman? You guys all have one thing in common, you all display a striking inability to read and comprehend. I'm not agreeing with the impartation of Christian law into the Constitution, I wrote that I would support a Constitutional amendment stating the marital equivalent of "water's wet" - that marriage is a union of woman and man. Marriage predated Christianity, and it was a union of woman and man then, too. So, if anything, Christian law is agreeing with me, not the other way around.
However, it would seem your argument is based on a standard religious practice (which you may or may not realize; those sneaky churchmatitions work in "mysterious ways"): FUCK SCIENCE(aka human-acquired knowledge), GOD IS RIGHT. This is made clear right at the start of the bible, with Adam and Eve. Having eaten the Apple of KNowledge of Good and Evil, god cast the two out - the underlying message there is GET SMART WITH ME (god) AND YOU ARE FUCKED, SAYETH THE LORD. This type of thinking has been central to Christianity since "time immemorial", and is the type of thinking you are applying to your current argument. Are you done with your silly little rant now? Perhaps you should go find a church to burn down or a nun to run over or something, that might satisfy your desires a bit more fully, since they have little to do with me.
Upon reviewing your posts, Morlock, I have in fact decided to attack you personally. You are a fucking retard who could not effectively debate a six year old as to the illogic of giving him a cup of coffee at 9:00pm, his or her stated bedtime. Here are some examples of your brilliance for all to revel in. I wouldn't want you to deviate from standard liberal practice: always demonize those you can't defeat.
"How have I shown an inability to temper emotion with reason?" <- This was asked at the beginning of one post. He goes on to say: "Disgust comes from one's gut, well true disgust anyways" "Chilled monkey brains as dessert disgusts me......- my stomach tells me." So, his disgust, (which he bases his anti-homo rants, and anti-homo stance upon) is something he derives from the same emotion he feels when faced with impalatable food. I would say that basing "rational" arguments on dietary preferences not only demonstrates an "inability to temper emotion with reason", but also an inability to feel and guage normal emotions (I'm no psychologist, but this is referred to as Psychopathic). The connection of dietary response to monkey-brain eating (disgust), with response to child-murder (disgust) would either suggest that Morlock has problems eating murdered children, killing monkeys, or that his own words "- my stomach tells me" should lead us to believe he has ceased thinking with his brain, and begun thinking with his navel. Perhaps his response to the "homosexual acts" he is bigotted against is based on his imagined consumation of the fecal-matter-semen-lube froth, or Santorum resultant to such relations. Clearly, we should be listening to this fucking stomach-thinking mongo.
I suppose another possibility is that MorLock believes his central nervous system is located in his digestional tract. A simple analysis of the biology of humans would point this fact/assumption as incorrect - I would therefore suggest any opinion or interpretation of facts, events, science, or anything at all, proposed, eloquated, said, typed by someone under the impression they can "feel disgust" with their gut, is not going to reflect a sane viewpoint whatsoever. Eheheheh, "in my balls" and "in my stomach" are idioms, you nimrod. When someone says "my balls tell me that..." they don't mean their balls have vocal cords, diaphragm, and an intellect to drive them, it just means that he's motivated by deep-seated, nigh-instinctive drives rather than thought-out goals. I'll leave it to you to ponder the absurdity of the above paragraphs. I'm sure of course that your sex drive is the result of a highly rational dialectic, and doesn't come "from your balls." Ehehehehe.
Oh, btw, "digestional" isn't a word, nor is "eloquated." I could ignore "churchmatitions," but now I think you're just making up words like that Damon Wayans character from In Living Color. I don't want to belabor this, but while I'm on the subject, I advise you to check out William Strunk's the elements of style. Better literacy is better living.
http://www.bartleby.com/141/
Also, he claims JediLuke is "operating under the mistaken notion that emotions are rational". I think the use of stomach-emotions under the assumption they are "rational" is at least as retarded as using actual, human-style emotions. Ah, I'm beginning to remind myself why it's better not to get into pissing contests with fools...
"Quote the evidence of my anti-homosexual bigotry" Ok. "since they've shown that their social track record is HORRENDOUS" (I would like to say that straight people, simply due to their abundance, have demonstrably fucked society worse than homos can ever hope to) Yeah that's great Mook, except...I was referring to liberals and their track record, not homosexuals. Don't you fucking dolts ever get tired of making obvious and egregious errors?
"[paraphrasing here] Gays are responsible for the rise of AIDS" NO, that isn't paraphrasing, that's rewriting and changing the meaning in the process. Anyone of middling intelligence can see that what I posted is drastically different from your "paraphrase:"
I don't know the ins and outs of this (no pun intended hehehe) but from what I understand, the early spread of AIDS in America owes a lot to the indiscriminate sexual habits of the male homosexual community. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say we wouldn't have AIDS without the male homosexual community though. I didn't say that homosexuals are responsible for the rise of AIDS. You guys really don't get tired of strawmen, do you?
This is yet another piece of anti-homo scripture - think about it, 95% of people are straight. How could homos be responsible for the rise of ANY sexually transmitted disease? How did it jump to straight people - air? I would suggest that the straight people who (if you belive AIDS is a "gay disease") contracted AIDS (however they did it) were totally complicit in the non-protected sex which resulted in that transfer. If AIDs didn't come from eating bush-meat in Africa. Heh, yeah, you're definitely manual labor material (preferably not involving sharp implements or heavy machinery). Fella, I know grey areas are really hard for you, so I'll try and keep this simple. Some people who engage in homosexual activity also engage in heterosexual activity. Yeah, I know, freaky ain't it? It's called bisexuality. Heh, learn somethin' new every day, eh Clyde? I have another newsflash for you Clyde - AIDS is transmitted by intravenous drug use! HAH! Who knew? Wow, the world is a strange place. Get this - homosexuals and heterosexuals sometimes share needles! OMG, like, total mind-blower!
You are stupid. Heh, yeah, I'm the dummy here, no really. Dude, you might be the only person I know of who would fail an IQ test.
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Apr 16, 20:02 |
Re: $0.02 |
JediLuke |
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184. |
Apr 16, 10:51 |
Re: $0.02 |
Moog Operator |
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134. |
Apr 13, 11:20 |
Re: $0.02 |
Moog Operator |
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135. |
Apr 13, 11:26 |
Re: $0.02 |
nin |
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136. |
Apr 13, 11:29 |
Re: $0.02 |
JediLuke |
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142. |
Apr 13, 15:17 |
Re: $0.02 |
Bronco |
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143. |
Apr 13, 16:21 |
No subject |
Morlock |
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144. |
Apr 13, 16:38 |
Re: No subject |
JediLuke |
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145. |
Apr 13, 17:06 |
Re: No subject |
Tango |
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146. |
Apr 13, 17:39 |
Re: No subject |
Moog Operator |
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147. |
Apr 13, 19:33 |
Re: redefining marriage |
AirWreck |
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148. |
Apr 13, 19:38 |
Re: redefining marriage |
JediLuke |
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149. |
Apr 13, 23:05 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Morlock |
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150. |
Apr 13, 23:38 |
Re: redefining marriage |
JediLuke |
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151. |
Apr 14, 08:01 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Tango |
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152. |
Apr 14, 10:51 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Moog Operator |
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153. |
Apr 14, 10:56 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Moog Operator |
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154. |
Apr 14, 14:10 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Morlock |
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155. |
Apr 14, 14:46 |
Re: redefining marriage |
JediLuke |
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156. |
Apr 14, 15:01 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Moog Operator |
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157. |
Apr 14, 15:15 |
Re: redefining marriage |
JediLuke |
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158. |
Apr 14, 15:28 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Morlock |
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159. |
Apr 14, 15:41 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Moog Operator |
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160. |
Apr 14, 15:42 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Tango |
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161. |
Apr 14, 16:19 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Morlock |
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162. |
Apr 14, 16:35 |
Re: redefining marriage |
JediLuke |
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163. |
Apr 14, 16:45 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Tango |
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165. |
Apr 14, 17:19 |
Re: redefining marriage |
Moog Operator |
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