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I still haven’t read anything even remotely convincing as an argument here. It’s all speculation so far. “This is how it could have arisen” or other such speculative wording. What about taking this right back to the beginning? Before anything existed, how does anyone explain where the “cosmic egg” came from? Why did it explode? Was there nothing before it? If nothing existed before it, who or what made it? If it did exist, that means it had an infinite past. None of these questions can even become close to being answered, since nobody has any means to measure this far back in time. It even defies the word “time”. When was the beginning?
Moog, use some paragraphs, otherwise I won’t read what you have to say. There is a chance you might have a valid point in there somewhere, but make it more readable at least  Do what I do and type your reply in Wordpad externally. You can see the format a little better this way.
Elrix, yes I am one of those "fanatics" that takes the creation account literally. This is what requires faith on my part. Is it harder to believe this, than it is to believe it all came from nothingness?
Zathrus, what makes you think I am now a lunatic? Is it because I believe in an all-powerful God? I could say the same for you too. Someone that possibly believes all matter in the universe (assuming you believe in the Big Bang theory), came about by an explosion of nothing. It would be hilarious if it wasn't such a serious topic and have such serious consequences. Like one man said, “If I believe everything we see came about by an explosion, I also believe that a copy of the Webster’s dictionary came about by an explosion in a printing shop”. So far I have been more rational than most arguing here and have not attacked anyone personally. To explain your questions, we all pay the price, even those that believe. That’s why I think so many Christians give us a bad rap by only stating that others are sinners. This makes us look like we are looking down on others. It’s not quite this way, since we are ALL sinners and we all have to pay the price. “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. Romans 3:22. I know I am not perfect. What about you?
Here are some more quotes from scientists that actually study in this field.
"Lightning and chance can, on principle, never produce only pure laevorotatory forms; they produce race-mates only - exactly 50% D and exactly 50% L forms - and are therefore unsuitable for life's proteins." and "...just as useless for biogenesis as no amino acids at all..." Wilder-Smith says in the book Natural Sciences. Here he is speaking of “naturally” created amino acids (created in a laboratory with similar atmosphere that was hypothesized for the primordial soup). The man responsible for this experiment (Dr Stanley Miller) later stated, "The problem of the origin of life has turned out to be much more difficult than I, or most other people, envisioned."
One of my favourites... Randy L. Wysong in The Creation-Evolution Controversy:
"Evolution can be thought of as a sort of magical religion. Magic is simply an effect without a cause. "Chance", "time" and "nature" are the small gods enshrined at evolutionary temples. Yet these gods cannot explain the origin of life. These gods are impotent. Thus, evolution is left without competent cause and is, therefore, only a magical explanation for the existence of life. And, like other cultures practising magic, evolution has it's witchdoctors. But their dance in not performed in the glimmer of bonfires, rather, it is performed in the various temples found on campuses around the world, in subsidized research institutions and in the light cast by spark discharge tubes. Is it not fairy tales that spin wild yarns of physical transformations - mice into horses, gingerbread men into men, children into spiders? Of course, it is not the fairy's word or the witch's spell that causes evolutionary transformation, it is the intellectually acceptable power of the stardust of the time-chance-nature deity. Those who doubt, who lack faith in the rights of the evolutionary high priests are fitting only for exorcism of the spirit of an open mind, and the possession by the spiritual dogma: "Since life is here, life evolved." Evolutionists attribute to time, chance and nature the capacities that creationists attribute to God." He goes further...
"Evolution requires plenty of faith: a faith in L-proteins [left handed molecules] that defy chance formation; a faith in the formation of DNA codes which if generated spontaneously would spell only pandemonium; a faith in a primitive environment that in reality would fiendishly devour any chemical precursors to life; a faith in experiments that prove nothing but the need for intelligence in the beginning; a faith in a primitive ocean that would not thicken but would only hopelessly dilute chemicals; a faith in natural laws including the laws of thermodynamics and biogenesis that actually deny the spontaneous generation of life; a faith in future scientific revelations that when realized always seem to present more dilemmas to the evolutionist; faith in probabilities that tenuously tell two stories - one denying evolution, the other confirming the creator; faith in transformations that remain fixed; faith in mutations and natural selection that add to a double negative for evolution; faith in fossils that embarrassingly show fixity through time, regular absence from transitional forms and striking testimony to a world-wide water deluge; a faith in reductionism that ends up reducing the materialist arguments to zero and enforcing the need to invoke the supernatural creator. The evolutionary religion is consistently inconsistent. Scientists rely upon the rational order of the universe to make accomplishments, yet the evolutionist tells us the rational universe had an irrational beginning from nothing. Due to lack of understanding about mechanisms and structure, science cannot even create a simple twig. Yet the evolutionary religion speaks with bold dogmatism about the origin of life."
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Mar 21, 15:01 |
stadium imploded |
Jim |
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Mar 21, 15:35 |
Re: stadium imploded |
Devster |
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Mar 21, 17:44 |
Re: stadium imploded |
Bronco |
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Mar 21, 18:24 |
Re: stadium imploded |
Hump |
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Mar 21, 20:14 |
Re: stadium imploded |
Bronco |
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Mar 21, 22:42 |
Re: stadium imploded |
nin |
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Mar 21, 23:12 |
Re: stadium imploded |
complicity |
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Mar 21, 22:37 |
Re: stadium imploded |
nin |
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Mar 21, 16:05 |
Re: stadium imploded |
Xenos Overdrive |
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Mar 21, 16:27 |
Re: stadium imploded |
WarPig |
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Mar 21, 15:12 |
D.o.t.D |
Killer Kane |
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Mar 21, 16:03 |
No subject |
Nonicknameforme |
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Mar 21, 16:30 |
Diasani |
Outlaw Josey Wales |
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Mar 21, 17:04 |
Re: Diasani |
The Truth |
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Mar 21, 17:32 |
Re: Diasani |
Moonbender |
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Mar 21, 17:54 |
Mars Rover Picture |
JM |
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Mar 21, 18:00 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
JediLuke |
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Mar 21, 18:08 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
JM |
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Mar 21, 18:19 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
The Truth |
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Mar 21, 18:54 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
JM |
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Mar 21, 19:39 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
The Truth |
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Mar 21, 20:07 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
JM |
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Mar 21, 21:11 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Zathrus |
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Mar 22, 08:23 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
bangersnmash |
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Mar 22, 09:22 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Elrix |
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Mar 22, 10:59 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
bangersnmash |
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Mar 22, 11:32 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Moog Operator |
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Mar 22, 12:10 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
bangersnmash |
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Mar 22, 12:32 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Moog Operator |
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Mar 22, 11:45 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
TiberiusBlue |
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Mar 22, 12:27 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
The Truth |
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Mar 22, 16:19 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Zathrus |
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Mar 22, 18:14 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Moog Operator |
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Mar 22, 20:23 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
The Truth |
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Mar 22, 21:21 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
WarPig |
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Mar 23, 06:41 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
bangersnmash |
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Mar 23, 09:07 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
TiberiusBlue |
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Mar 23, 12:47 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Moog Operator |
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Mar 24, 09:21 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
bangersnmash |
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Mar 23, 13:09 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Elrix |
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Mar 23, 14:50 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Zathrus |
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Mar 24, 09:09 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
bangersnmash |
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Mar 24, 10:15 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
TiberiusBlue |
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Mar 24, 11:33 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
Elrix |
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Mar 21, 20:22 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
TheFragMan |
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Mar 21, 21:02 |
Re: Mars Rover Picture |
The Truth |
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Mar 21, 21:36 |
Close up of Veterans Stadium blown up! |
Ant |
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Mar 21, 22:37 |
Re: Close up of Veterans Stadium blown u |
ExcessDan |
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Mar 21, 22:45 |
No subject |
Nonicknameforme |
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Mar 21, 23:24 |
No subject |
Nonicknameforme |
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Mar 22, 00:05 |
Who will win? |
Enahs |
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Mar 22, 00:27 |
Re: Who will win? |
indiv |
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Mar 22, 00:44 |
No subject |
SamBeckett |
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Mar 24, 15:09 |
Evolution by mutation |
Moog Operator |
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Mar 24, 15:38 |
bangernmash |
Moog Operator |
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Apr 8, 11:53 |
Re: bangernmash |
bangersnmash |
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