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FBI Half-Life 2 Raids

A weblog post mentioned in a Slashdot story apparently gives the account of a San Francisco native's encounter with the FBI as the fed's raided his home looking for evidence in connection with the theft of the Half-Life 2 source code (story). According to Slashdot (since the site has been, naturally enough, Slashdotted), the blog includes a scan of the FBI's search warrant. Thanks Captain Trips.

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137. Re: No subject Jan 26, 2004, 13:40 Moog Operator
 
"The way I see it, Bush is making the world safe for liberalism...Bush does not use the military to distract people from his personal shortcomings, misuse of office, and domestic scandals. "
Holy crap dude, get a clue. "Terrorists" are almost whole heartedly bred into this world due to America's past military intervention... which was almost exactly the same as it's current intervention. Don't believe me? Swap "Communist" in for "terrorist" and "communism" in for "terrorism" and voila! Current justification for wars begins to sound a hell of a lot like past justification. Bush is trumping his war on "terror" to be just as effective as the war on communism, and uses the media directly to whitewash his fuck ups, most of which amount to treason. He is passing "liberal" laws such as the removal of reproductive rights for women, and is campaigning to write social discrimination into your constitution. His $450 billion drug plan mainly benifits drug companies etc etc etc. Nothing you have said is true. As far as "unconstitutional" fillibustering goes, it os also, and WAY more importantly, against your constitution to undermine democracy - which installing right wing religious fanatics who have, will, and are judging law from a religious slant will do to your country. If you want to talk about a 12th century hell-hole, wait 40 years, and look around your country... Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan - in fact all modern democratic leaders have completely ignored the calamity of the peak of world oil production, and hid it's imortance from all of us. When that shit hits the fan, liberalism/conservatism/terrorism will be a fleeting memory.


We cannot eat solar panels, nor solar power.
We cannot eat wind power, nor wind turbines.
92% of the world relies on eating oil, via fertilizer, pesticides, transport, and irrigation.
How long until oil is too valuble for farming?
www.dieoff.org
 
STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, GET OUT OF THAT BED AND GET DOWN ON THE FLOOR, GET OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE: GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DONT CARE IF YOU'RE NUDE, GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DON'T CARE IF ITS FREEZING! WHERES THE DRUGS, WE KNOW YOU GOT THE DRU
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136. Re: No subject Jan 24, 2004, 23:40 Terpfen
 
What about Sweden? Since you guys 'decided' to give George Dubya, a real capitalist, a go, the US even has a hell of a lot more debt than them.

How is Bush a real capitalist while, say, Al Gore or Bill Clinton are not? Faulty terms, faulty argument. Oh, and nice scare quotes around the word decided. Apparently there are people out there who still refuse to believe state government election certifications, independent third party election certifications, and independent media election certifications. Then again, it's hard to trust the media anyway--don't blame you on that one.

The way I see it, Bush is making the world safe for liberalism. First, he's trying to protect western civilization by getting rid of the terrorists who want to suck the world into the 12th-century hellhole that is the state of cultural affairs in the Middle East. Then he turns around and passes every issue the liberals have been campaigning on for 40 years (kind of makes you wonder if they ever had any real intention of living up to their promises, but that's another argument.) So far, he's demanded and signed a $450 billion prescription drug plan for Medicare, wants blanket amnesty and Social Security benefits for illegal aliens, supports the renewal of the assault weapons ban, refuses to fight for his unconstitutionally-filibustered judicial nominees, has gone out of his way to avoid Social Security reform. In general, Bush governs like Clinton--the two significant differences are that Bush is honest about his motives and intentions (Clinton called himself a centrist when he's about as liberal as Jimmy Carter, if not more), and Bush does not use the military to distract people from his personal shortcomings, misuse of office, and domestic scandals.

With that being said, I hope they find the guy who stole the HL2 source. Soon.

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135. Re: pointless raid Jan 24, 2004, 18:22 Deliverance
 
Dude I have tonnes of Illegal shit on my Xbox I should hope they'd confiscate it. Now if it was a ps2 or Gamecube Or Mac That stuff is like kiddy scisors.

I don't know about the government putting a hard line on hackers, see the thing is there is the law, which is the mandate of the people. And currently the people are kind of divided on the issue of intellectual property, in that it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. (For example paying for an Education is ridiculous but what if you are a film student?). They are kind of terrified of what would happen if it came to a vote, many countries are already repealing thier IP legislation.
If you didn't understand (or disagree) feel free to message me at Deliverancelev4@hotmail.com

 
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134. Re: No subject Jan 24, 2004, 09:00 Maff
 
You made a little mistake:

> You seen those Russian Brides 4 U web links?

Russia is a capitalist country, I never saw Soviet Brides 4 Me


> Socialists don't even have a valid role model anymore.

What about Sweden? Since you guys 'decided' to give George Dubya, a real capitalist, a go, the US even has a hell of a lot more debt than them.

Greed isn't good. It's just a tagline to an 80's movie that showed how morally bankrupt a society can get when all anyone cares about is themselves.

Oh, and just generally, whatever happened to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty??? Far too many people here seem to be saying, "Oh, if the FBI raided him, he must be guilty!" ... What??? I wish law enforcement in my country was as omniscient as it is in the USA.

Maff

Edited 'cause I didn't read the mark-up rules properly (and I'm tired, and stuff).

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133. Re: last time... Jan 22, 2004, 17:53 Moog Operator
 
"first of all im not trying to persuade anyone to follow me." (today)

"People, please don't encourage Moog. Just act as if he doesn't exist." (yesterday)

First, self defeating arguments, and vacillation between points of view from one post to the next really do nothing to shine a light of intellect onto your posts, dude. Second, what vacillating? I have an extreme abhorrence for ignorance, no matter what the form, and if this ignorance is spewing forth from an American, I will loathe them until they learn. Learn to read english. My posts have strong anti-retarded-american-policy sentiments all through them, but they are never wholeheartedly against America, nor Americans. Hate is an extreme result of ignorance, and I do not spread it. In all of the negativity I type about america, I also include examples to point out what about America, or Americans, is bothering me; never do I paint the whole of the country, nor it's residents, as stupid, or as a place I hate. I know for a fact from visiting the country 14 times in the last 6 years that there are a whole shitload of well educated, globally aware (not foxnews/cnn aware), and sane Americans.
Lastly, HUTTAH!

We cannot eat solar panels, nor solar power.
We cannot eat wind power, nor wind turbines.
92% of the world relies on eating oil, via fertilizer, pesticides, transport, and irrigation.
How long until oil is too valuble for farming?
www.dieoff.org
 
STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, GET OUT OF THAT BED AND GET DOWN ON THE FLOOR, GET OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE: GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DONT CARE IF YOU'RE NUDE, GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DON'T CARE IF ITS FREEZING! WHERES THE DRUGS, WE KNOW YOU GOT THE DRU
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132. last time... Jan 22, 2004, 16:19 SH33P
 
first of all im not trying to persuade anyone to follow me. Second, I was trying to point out the tendency of moog to vacillate between standpoints for the sake of being argumentative. I said, "Go back and read his posts." Lastly, DONE

 
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131. No subject Jan 22, 2004, 05:48 Xenos Overdrive
 
Yes there is. You can't steal intellectual properly. Theft is when you take something away from someone. If you copy code, it is not theft.

Well, aside from an obvious and blatant "Yeah, you can certainly steal an intellectual property," the reason why the legal term "intellectual property" was coined to begin with was to put to protect properties that aren't necessarily material in origin.

 
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130. Guilty until proven innocent. Jan 22, 2004, 05:04 hkm
 
It is quite disgusting to see some of the comments here. Hoping that he does time (or is raped or killed) before he is even convicted just goes to show how bad fanboyism is.

Some sound like they think this thing is worse than murder!

People here are defending a company which claimed to have a final version ready "soon", until someone got hold of it and, it seems, showed that HL2 was far from finished, and that Valve never intended to release it in September of last year in the first place. Ask anyone who has seen the leaked version - is is far from finished.

 
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129. Re: Quick observation Jan 22, 2004, 02:22 hebrew_national
 
I don't care about disproving Creston's drivel

I just want him to stfu



can't anyone see the humour?

 
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128. Re: Quick observation Jan 21, 2004, 17:31 ildon
 
Yes there is. You can't steal intellectual properly. Theft is when you take something away from someone. If you copy code, it is not theft.
Wow, semantics. WHAT A GREAT ARGUMENT! I AGREE WITH YOU 100% NOW BECAUSE HE WAS OBVIOUSLY COMPLETELY WRONG FOR CHOOSING A SLIGHTLY INACCURATE TERM!!

Oh wait...
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=steal
2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
I believe that this usage falls under "to get surreptitiously".

(Please note that I use capslock for sarcasm, not yelling. I know it's not a common usage... think of it as a dialect...)

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127. Re: shut up Jan 21, 2004, 12:55 Wazootyman
 
Ad Hominem ("against the man") arguments are logically unsound. Attempting to disproove Moog's arguments by insulting him is illogical and pointless.

 
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126. Re: shut up Jan 21, 2004, 11:11 Moog Operator
 
I think that is the longest paragraph written about me yet. Prove my statements wrong, sheep. Go ahead.


We cannot eat solar panels, nor solar power.
We cannot eat wind power, nor wind turbines.
92% of the world relies on eating oil, via fertilizer, pesticides, transport, and irrigation.
How long until oil is too valuble for farming?
www.dieoff.org
 
STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, GET OUT OF THAT BED AND GET DOWN ON THE FLOOR, GET OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE: GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DONT CARE IF YOU'RE NUDE, GET DOWN ON THE CEMENT, I DON'T CARE IF ITS FREEZING! WHERES THE DRUGS, WE KNOW YOU GOT THE DRU
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125. Re: Quick observation Jan 21, 2004, 10:48 Wazootyman
 
Yes there is. You can't steal intellectual properly. Theft is when you take something away from someone. If you copy code, it is not theft.

That would depend on if you use the word "steal" as a legal term, or as it is commonly used.

As it is commonly used, it is possible to "steal" a chef's prized recipe (though he still may know it), or "steal" an idea from an inventor (though he may still have it). Steal just means to take against the wishes of the owner. You can still steal something intangible, and the owner may still posess a copy after the crime.

Regardless, whether it is legally "theft" or not, it is still illegal.
You choose one tiny section of my post to criticize, without addressing my actual arguments. Read my earlier post by clicking on my name, then come up with some actual counterargument, rather than point out technicalities.

 
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124. Re: Quick observation Jan 21, 2004, 07:57 hkm
 
but there is no denying that these individuals stole valuable intellectual property

Yes there is. You can't steal intellectual properly. Theft is when you take something away from someone. If you copy code, it is not theft.

 
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123. Re: Consider this... Jan 21, 2004, 06:51 Flo
 
According to Cochrane, yes South Park anyone?  
Supporter of the "Chewbacca Defense"
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122. Re: shut up Jan 21, 2004, 04:48 asmodeos
 
[....]

Look SH33P. I cannot be persuaded to follow you because of your lack of evidence. IF this person DOES make up facts, you are as bad as he. You have not supplied any evidence of his poor factual presentation.

The art of debate is lost on the internet.

 
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121. No subject Jan 21, 2004, 04:43 asmodeos
 
Instead of "STFU", why don't you respond to his argument???

This board IS becoming lame. Moderators anyone??

I for one agree with a lot that he had to say. I'm a die hard American. Eat my free speech.

 
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120. Re: No subject Jan 20, 2004, 21:00 hebrew_national
 
Creston, you really need to stfu now.

 
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119. Re: No subject Jan 20, 2004, 20:00 Creston
 
Socialist systems work far better than capitalist ones

Just out of curiosity, Halsy, why don't you move to Europe? I've lived in a predominantly socialist country (Holland) for the first 30 years of my life, so unlike you, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about when I say that socialism sucks the fucking big one.

Socialism really isn't all that. On paper it looks very beautiful, but in practice it doesn't work worth shit. The open door policy that socialist Holland has entertained for the past 15 years has put so much crime on the streets that the average citizen is scared to go outside of his own house. The "tolerant" criminal justice system has sunk down to such a low level that a murderer gets between five and seven years in prison if it's murder one, or is just let go if it's manslaughter. Five perps who KICKED someone to death on the street FOR FUN have done exactly zero hours of jailtime. Resulting in those few people still brave enough to cross the street to be afraid to talk to someone, because you just might get kicked to death for fun.

One thing that continuously amazes me since the almost two years that I've lived in the USA is quite frankly how the people from both continents have these weird misconceptions about one another, and just cannot believe that life in both areas is pretty much the same as life in the other area. Europe, the US, it's all the same. There's some differences in what's considered important, but that's about it.

In the end, however, it's what you personally find important that really matters. If you want the government to "take care of" you for your entire life, then you have to accept the fact that they're going to tax the snot out of you, because all that "taking care of" costs a lot of money, and that money has to come from somewhere. Alternatively, if you'd rather take care of yourself and be allowed to spend your money the way YOU want to spend it, socialism isn't the way to go, and you're better off in the United States.

Neither system is inherently better than the other, but let me assure you that this whole asinine business of corporations farming all their white collar jobs out to fucking India happens just as frequently in Europe as it does here. It has nothing to do with socialism / capitalism / whatthefuckeverism. It's just plain thinking about the five dollars they save now, and not realising the 500 dollars they'll lose ten years down the road.

I do find it amusing that every corporation in the US bitches and whines about their sales numbers, and in the meantime happily keep kicking american workers on the street for favor of Indian workers, who ofcourse spend their salaries in the Indian economy as opposed to the American economy.
I wonder how far things have to go before the corporations here realise that if they eventually sack every single american worker, this also means that no american citizen has the money to actually BUY any of their products. Judging by the rate they're going, things will probably get pretty close to total pandemonium before someone wakes up.

But, seriously, why don't you move to Europe? It doesn't cost all that much, a few thousand dollars, a year of paperwork, and you're set. Why stay here and bitch about things that happen during the current administration but happened during Clinton's administration as well, and will happen during the next Democratic president's (doubtful for 2004) reign as well. Or did you really think that with a Democrat for president, all the corporations would suddenly do a 180 and stop pissing away jobs like they're doing now? Highly fucking unlikely.

Creston

 
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118. Re: Quick observation Jan 20, 2004, 19:58 ildon
 
It's not hyporitical at all. You are presuming that the man that was searched was guilty. What if he is innocent? Should he not be PRESUMED innocent?
He IS presumed innocent. He wasn't even arrested. (yet?) Nowhere does WaltC imply that this guy was guilty. He was making a point that, according to you (swiff), it's ok for some random hacker to illegally "search and sieze" Valve's property, but it's not ok for the government to LEGALLY do the same thing. I agree with him that it is hypocritical.

Valve is not at all responsible for "ruining his life". If he is innocent, it's the responsibility of the true thief, for if the theft had never taken place the status quo would have been maintained. But instead a law was broken and now the normal investigation of such a crime must be carried out or else the signal will be sent out that corporate espionage won't be punished and is "ok".

You seem to have totally missed the entire point of WaltC's post, which was a more general explanation of why such crimes are prosecuted (deterrence).

So no, you don't set the value of the property you own. The government and insurance companies do.

He wasn't talking about monetary value, he was talking about total value, including emotional value, etc. Someone earlier (might have been you, swiff) said something about stealing the blade's of grass from someone's lawn. You may think they're just blades of grass, but it's not YOUR place to put a value on those blades of grass, it's their owner's place. If they want to put them in a safe in their basement after mowing the lawn and put them in their children's inheretence, that's THEIR business, and you have no right stealing them, even if you consider them worthless.

Swiffer, you're just an idiot.

 
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