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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 12, 2003, 08:01 |
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what a load of tosh (sorry Bronco )
It's ok, I'm up to speed now. 
You said:
Whats the deal with seeing the matrix outside the matrix? Surely that means the matrix is a world within a world, or did they just read Children of Dune and like the idea of prescience?
I was thinking more along the lines of Dune Messiah. Paul gets his eyes burned out - it helps him to truly see...
Seriously Bronco, you gotta watch the film, love it or hate it u have to watch it. I didnt like it but many people I know thought it was the best of the series. I think I just expected more (not necessarily neater, just more), I think I just expected too much from the film and didnt like the outcomes - it doesnt make it a bad film, just not for me.
I find it amazing that 2 & 3 were filmed so closely together. The methodology of the story telling seemed to change. Not for the better, not for the worse, just changed.
More secret text:
Some people crave complete closure. Some people seem to hate plot lines and characters that are not fully detailed. It doesn't bother me. The approach the creators of these films used seems to approach the complexity of life. The early seasons of ER were like this.
Now I'm waiting for the trilogy in a DVD box set.
-TPFKAS2S
http://www.braglio.org
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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 12, 2003, 03:59 |
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what a load of tosh (sorry Bronco  )
If smith knew what the oracle knew then he would have known what would have (most likely) happened. Smith was happy for self preservation up to that point. He even realised what was happening at th end (ive been here before, this is where it ends...). He was master of the matrix almost. He was untouchable, the only way to erase him was to annihilate himself. And if smith absorbed the other programs into himself then where did the oracle come from? If it rebooted then why can people rememebr or was the machine god being humane.
As for the entire film being opposites of Neo and Smith then how does this come about with smith being much older than Neo, did he just become an opposite overnight -yes I know Neo "blew him up/assimilated/destroyed" in the first one, but surely Neo would have died after the first film right?
I mean
Whats the deal with seeing the matrix outside the matrix? Surely that means the matrix is a world within a world, or did they just read Children of Dune and like the idea of prescience?
but with all negatives there are positives
heh, there were no monologues like 2, the action scenes were polished and although a little drawn out or pointless then were still good. Apart from no armour protection the mini power armours were really neat and they RELOADED I love films that RELOAD (there was tons of brass on the floor too) I like natty touches like that.
Seriously Bronco, you gotta watch the film, love it or hate it u have to watch it. I didnt like it but many people I know thought it was the best of the series. I think I just expected more (not necessarily neater, just more), I think I just expected too much from the film and didnt like the outcomes - it doesnt make it a bad film, just not for me.
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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 11, 2003, 15:03 |
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Well, I've avoided reading the secret text. The general tone of the comments surrounding the secret text has lowered my expectations to the point that I may actually enjoy this movie regardless of how bad it may be.
I think I may be looking forward to reading everyones comments than seeing the movie. Is there something wrong with that?
-TPFKAS2S
http://www.braglio.org
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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 11, 2003, 13:59 |
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Exactly c r i s p y. He is assimilating him because it's his destiny, and he knows that because of what he's programmed to do, and he sees it because of the Oracle in him. He can't see beyond the choice though, so he doesn't see the consequences.
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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 11, 2003, 12:10 |
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| Each time that Smith assimilated people, they became part of him. That's how his power was able to grow. When Smith assimilates The Oracle, he gains her knowledge of the future, but this starts to drive him crazy(er) because he has to deal with the conflict of choice vs. fate. He hints at this when he first comes to the oracle where he smashes the plate of cookies and does his little speech. At the end of the final battle, this comes up again when he says 'I've seen this', and begins to emulate the vision he's had of the ending. This also hints at the question of whether Smith is really acting of his own volition or whether his actions are really part of a larger program. When Smith assimilates Neo, the only possible result is annihilation. They are opposite sides of the same coin. |
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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 11, 2003, 10:14 |
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Actually, the Smith that fought Neo was the Oracle Smith, which is why he said "Everything that has a beginning, has an end". This is why the Oracle let Smith take her. This is also why we see the Oracle at the bottom of the pit after the Smiths self-destruct
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Re: grrr smith fight |
Nov 11, 2003, 09:52 |
Von Helmet |
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Armengar
Did you at all pay attention during Reloaded? Smith and Neo annihilating each other is the same kinda thing as Neo returning to the source in order to balance the equations of the Matrix. Smith and Neo annihilating each other just gets round that a different way. They destroy each other and the Matrix "reboots", hence the reformation of the Matrix after all the Smiths die.
Somehow, the Oracle is left over as the result of all this. She has been there since the beginning, so for some reason she survives this. She is the end result of the destruction of Neo and Smith.
The other Smith's didn't pile on because they'd already tried that and see how far that got them in Reloaded? This time it was just down to Smith (the original one, if there is such a thing) and Neo to sort it out.
Also, Smith had to assimilate Neo, he didn't have a choice. The Oracle bangs on about not being able to see past a choice you don't understand. Smith doesn't understand choice full stop, he's just running according to what he thinks he should do, which is to assimilate everything. He is running according to what he thinks his purpose is. So he sees that he has to assimilate Neo, because he wants to destroy Neo, but he doesn't see beyond that into what will happen as a result.
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grrr smith fight |
Nov 11, 2003, 07:03 |
Armengar |
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yeah smith (hidden spoilers)
not only did most of the smiths just stand there but smith decides that Neo is bad and should keep away as he suspect that neo may indeed kill him, so what does he do? assimilate him. blood hell why? smith was being so clever and calculating and suddenly turned into an idiot. and where did the oracle come from at the end, did all the assimilations not die apart from neo? if so then where did neo go. stupid stupid ending.
and whilest i'm at it (more spoliers)
what was teh deal with the frickin trainman. did they just run out of plot so they had to pad the beginning a little? what a pointless exercise.
rant over. I hated the film but I too beleive that the "stairway fight" in the second film was a fantastic fight scene. The first film had some fantastic bullet sequences (dodging the bullets - pure brilliance).
oh yeah, will the ad complainers please stop complaining. I reckon the vast majority of people on here dont mind clicking a few ads for a free service with tons of cool patches available from fast free servers that don't need you to log in or get spammed or fill your life story.
keep it up blue
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Re: Joystick Suggestions |
Nov 11, 2003, 04:12 |
Hump |
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And I definately do not want a cordless.
too bad, I love my Logitech stick. Playing DC No Fly Zone with it is a sexual experience.
For a HOTAS set-up I agree with Nin, the X45 is sweet. Also, Thrustmaster makes a dumbed-down HOTAS called the Afterburner II:
http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/lookproduct.php3?productid=124&skin=Joysticks
I own one and use it for Mechwarrior 4: Mercs and its really smooth. The only complaint I have is the button placement on the joystick part is a bit screwy but otherwise its a good value.
Then of course you have the ultimate toy:
http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/lookproduct.php3?productid=126&skin=Hotas
all metal construction baby! $250 of sweetness. Good luck finding one.
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Re: Re Unplugging The Matrix |
Nov 11, 2003, 03:04 |
c r i s p y |
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Just got back from seeing Revolutions. With the way everyone has been bagging on it I was expecting not to like it; but it was a damn-near perfect completion to the trilogy, and a fantastic action film to boot.
For those people waiting to see it on DVD: don't. You will be doing yourselves a disservice. The level of detail put into the effects during the battle for the dock is absolutely stunning, but don't think a small screen would really do it justice. |
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Re: Re Unplugging The Matrix |
Nov 11, 2003, 02:42 |
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You guys are morons. The whole point of Neo going to fight Smith in the Matrix was to save both worlds, saying the Matrix had no point in the last two films is just ignorant. Neo sacrificed himself to allow the Machine God to destroy Smith, which saved humanity AND the machines.
Infact all the IMPORTANT shit happened in the Matrix. Neo learning he wasn't the only ONE, the scenes with the Merovingian, everything dealing with the Oracle.
It's better if you treat Reloaded and Revolutions as a single film.
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Re: Joystick Suggestions |
Nov 10, 2003, 22:38 |
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I'm in the market for a joystick, and I'm looking for suggestions. Something in $40-$60 range, doesn't have to have all the bells and whistles (force feedback etc.), but I would very much like to have as many configurable buttons as possible, and a throttle is a must. And I definately do not want a cordless.
Saitek X-45...
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x45.htm
Got it, love it...
edit: Think I paid $80 for it...
http://www.coldplay.com/
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Joystick Suggestions |
Nov 10, 2003, 22:16 |
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I'm in the market for a joystick, and I'm looking for suggestions. Something in $40-$60 range, doesn't have to have all the bells and whistles (force feedback etc.), but I would very much like to have as many configurable buttons as possible, and a throttle is a must. And I definately do not want a cordless.
I plan on using it for BF1942, and the occasional flight sim.
Thanks in advance guys.
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Re: man oh man |
Nov 10, 2003, 20:43 |
Bronco |
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If the site had a cascading barrage of beastiality, shit-eaters, golden shower japanese red-haired animae vixens etc then maybe MAYBE a polite email might be in order but for christ sakes they're just ...ads...benign ads.
Hump,
Just where do you go to get those sorts of ads?
For the record, I agree 100% with your post. I think we are seeing the birth of a new form of trolling.
-TPFKAS2S
http://www.braglio.org
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Re: Re Unplugging The Matrix |
Nov 10, 2003, 19:29 |
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(nevermind that ALL of the Matrix fights of the sequels were of very low quality, while Matrix 1's fights were all well choreographed, fast-paced, and generally the king of action scenes of all time
Okay, first off there are far better action sequences in your average John Woo film then there were in Matrix 1. Second, the fight on the staircase in Reloaded was in my opinion superior to both the subsequent car chase and the lobby sequence in Matrix 1. I do agree however that the SM club fight scene in Revolutions sucked and the lack of any subsequent in-matrix fight scenes (I suppose the Smith-Neo fight was in the matrix but it was extrememly disappointing) really hurt the film.
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Re: Re Unplugging The Matrix |
Nov 10, 2003, 19:23 |
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(spoilers) I'm with you too, Pyro. The Matrix sequels abandoned the Matrix itself, and left us with the feeling that nothing that occurred in the Matrix could have any importance. Now that i think about it, the heroes and villians of the movies pretty much did NOTHING of importance while they were jacked in. Nothing they did, conflict-wise, helped end the war. Everything was just a means to communicate. Neo rescued Morpheus in the first film, but why rescue him? Did Morpheus really accomplish anything in the sequels? Neo rescued Morpheus to merely discover himself, by presenting challenges. Morpheus saved the Keymaker, yes, who only needed to be saved because Neo wasn't fast enough to keep a friggin door open.. too busy fighting worthless goons. WITH the keymaker, they merely led Neo to a conversation with the Architect.. who coulda just e-mailed Neo what he wanted to know, in the form of a Flash movie or something. Heh! Then in Revolutions, the entire Trainmaker/Merovingian Hell Club scenes were just a total waste of time. And Neo's final battle with Smith was pointless, as Neo could do nothing but be absorbed anyway. (nevermind that ALL of the Matrix fights of the sequels were of very low quality, while Matrix 1's fights were all well choreographed, fast-paced, and generally the king of action scenes of all time.)
Meanwhile, only what happened outside of the Matrix is what counted. Neo had to go to the Machine City 01 so that Deus Ex Machina (big head) could help him defeat Smith. I think we're all like Cypher from the first movie. We prefer the Matrix over reality.
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Re: man oh man |
Nov 10, 2003, 18:50 |
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have people become so lazy/whiny that they even have to post a complaint about having to move their mouse three inches to shut off a pop-up?
I would have ignored this particular issue if it were something as simple as an inconvenient mouse click or even a slightly offensive ad.
However, the issue in question has prevented me from even accessing the site on at least one occasion. I think that Blue would want to be notified of such issues. The only reason I chose to post it here instead of simply emailing it is because I have seen similar ad complaints brought up in this space, and I assumed it was the norm.
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No subject |
Nov 10, 2003, 18:26 |
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Whoo! I'm back from an extended weekend in Philly area, where I used to live. Man you are lucky Bronco. That part of our country is great.
YEAH! DX3!
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Re: man oh man |
Nov 10, 2003, 18:06 |
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If the site had a cascading barrage of beastiality, shit-eaters, golden shower japanese red-haired animae vixens etc then maybe MAYBE a polite email might be in order
We should be so lucky...Now THAT would be an ad that would grab my attention!
/jk
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man oh man |
Nov 10, 2003, 17:51 |
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Can we set up a separate "Ad complaints" thread? No offense Pyro, it's certainly not you or anything, but it is getting kinda annoying seeing people complain/write about the ads all the time.
have people become so lazy/whiny that they even have to post a complaint about having to move their mouse three inches to shut off a pop-up?
I mean I can't fathom just how shallow, spoiled, lazy, ignorant and possibly stupid these people are that they even have to broach the subject. If the site had a cascading barrage of beastiality, shit-eaters, golden shower japanese red-haired animae vixens etc then maybe MAYBE a polite email might be in order but for christ sakes they're just ...ads...benign ads. The same people probably sit through 2 hours a day, collectively, of TV commercial ad time (same for radio) and not bat an eye but Blue has a few ads put up so he can continue to eat and provide a FREE service at the same time and suddenly its an insult and imposition. Bandwidth = money, and...a lot of it. Why is that concept so difficult to comprehend?
So for those complaining...explain to me just how put out you are. I need to know. Really. Maybe my perspectuive is skewed and I'm not seeing the whole picture. help me out.
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