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Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Oct 8, 2003, 08:47 |
Chunk |
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> I just think you're reading too much into the situation > to suit your view of the events. I don't see any reason > to believe that Valve is being dishonest or underhanded > in this matter. They got screwed pretty bad. If I had > worked on HL2 I sure wouldn't want that beta out there > because it's not representative of the final product. No > one wants their unfinished work to be seen by > the "general public," i.e. people who may not understand > the circumstances, how far along the game is, what to > expect, etc. I might look at the beta and realize how > cool it is and that it means the final game will be even > cooler, but some might see it and say "What the hell is > this, I'm not buying it now..." It's just a bad situation > for Valve.
True, I'm biased. I have had an axe to grind with Valve for a long time, for killing TF2 for years, for preventing us from checking for cheaters while providing VAC (which is useless for anyone but CS/DoD servers), for making our list of thousands of cheaters useless totally unncessarily, and now for insulting us by telling us they need five more months to clean up after these hackers.
BUT, that's beside the point. Yeah, Valve got screwed, but I still see no reason this should delay the game. If they are worried about someone modifying the source, fire up VSS and do a diff on the whole tree with the last known clean date. If they have some security stuff that needs to be "rewritten", do it. If it's truly secure all they'll have to do is regenerate their private keys. And FFS, change all your passwords, people!
Bottom line, nothing they should have to do as result of a break-in should take five months. Shit, you could bring in a college intern to do those things in a day, tops.
If Valve isn't lying to us, Vivendi is, and Valve is towing the line.
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Subject |
Author |
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1. |
Oct 7, 16:46 |
pwned |
Enemy |
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2. |
Oct 7, 16:46 |
This is so strange... |
shul |
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7. |
Oct 7, 16:54 |
Re: This is so strange... |
TiberiusBlue |
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3. |
Oct 7, 16:47 |
half life or hype life? |
space captain |
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4. |
Oct 7, 16:49 |
Re: half life or hype life? |
weeds |
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8. |
Oct 7, 16:55 |
Re: half life or hype life? |
Bob |
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11. |
Oct 7, 16:56 |
No subject |
Bob |
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13. |
Oct 7, 17:01 |
Re: half life or hype life? |
thwart |
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27. |
Oct 7, 17:22 |
Re: half life or hype life? |
nin |
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30. |
Oct 7, 17:27 |
Re: half life or hype life? |
eunichron |
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5. |
Oct 7, 16:51 |
1420 Mb |
Shadow |
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6. |
Oct 7, 16:53 |
Re: 1420 Mb |
Jigen |
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10. |
Oct 7, 16:56 |
Why? |
red_420 |
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14. |
Oct 7, 17:06 |
Re: Why? |
Egen |
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15. |
Oct 7, 17:08 |
Re: Why? |
Sepharo |
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18. |
Oct 7, 17:09 |
Economy |
TangledThorns |
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21. |
Oct 7, 17:13 |
It would be funny |
Mopap |
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24. |
Oct 7, 17:19 |
Re: It would be funny |
Rigs |
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19. |
Oct 7, 17:09 |
Re: 1420 Mb |
shul |
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9. |
Oct 7, 16:55 |
Well. |
Wazootyman |
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12. |
Oct 7, 16:58 |
Dear God... |
Sepharo |
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17. |
Oct 7, 17:09 |
Re: Dear God... |
Tim1_2 |
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16. |
Oct 7, 17:09 |
Hrm... |
BubbleMage |
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25. |
Oct 7, 17:21 |
Re: Hrm... |
Punisher |
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20. |
Oct 7, 17:11 |
CYA Time! |
Paully |
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23. |
Oct 7, 17:17 |
Re: CYA Time! |
islander |
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37. |
Oct 7, 17:43 |
Re: CYA Time! Here is DNF Source Info!! |
Punisher |
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41. |
Oct 7, 17:51 |
Re: CYA Time! |
Dr.Haggard |
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45. |
Oct 7, 17:59 |
Re: CYA Time! |
Plissken |
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43. |
Oct 7, 17:54 |
Re: CYA Time! |
Surfer |
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44. |
Oct 7, 17:58 |
Re: CYA Time! |
ExcessDan |
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46. |
Oct 7, 18:01 |
Re: CYA Time! |
Plissken |
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57. |
Oct 7, 18:52 |
Re: CYA Time! |
llamameat |
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22. |
Oct 7, 17:14 |
No subject |
ExcessDan |
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26. |
Oct 7, 17:22 |
Re: No subject |
Rigs |
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29. |
Oct 7, 17:25 |
Re: No subject |
ExcessDan |
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31. |
Oct 7, 17:29 |
Re: No subject |
ZzeusS |
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87. |
Oct 7, 20:10 |
Re: No subject |
Satyric0n |
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92. |
Oct 7, 20:26 |
Re: No subject |
Chunk |
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28. |
Oct 7, 17:23 |
No subject |
D4rkKnight |
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32. |
Oct 7, 17:35 |
I HOPE THESE F%CKER$ BURN |
Dunn |
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35. |
Oct 7, 17:43 |
Re: I HOPE THESE F%CKER$ BURN |
Onji |
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33. |
Oct 7, 17:35 |
. |
Xero |
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47. |
Oct 7, 18:10 |
Re: . |
Nuhauser |
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34. |
Oct 7, 17:40 |
Hmm. Likely Culprits? |
savedlatin |
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36. |
Oct 7, 17:43 |
Re: Hmm. Likely Culprits? |
Tim1_2 |
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38. |
Oct 7, 17:47 |
Re: Hmm. Likely Culprits? |
savedlatin |
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40. |
Oct 7, 17:50 |
Re: Hmm. Likely Culprits? |
ExcessDan |
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39. |
Oct 7, 17:50 |
Re: Hmm. Likely Culprits? |
Punisher |
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42. |
Oct 7, 17:53 |
conspiracy theories du jour! |
Jigen |
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48. |
Oct 7, 18:11 |
Anyway... |
Tim1_2 |
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49. |
Oct 7, 18:11 |
Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) |
Paully |
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53. |
Oct 7, 18:27 |
Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) |
SimonG |
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75. |
Oct 7, 19:39 |
Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) |
nin |
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79. |
Oct 7, 19:49 |
Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) |
BlightCrawler |
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67. |
Oct 7, 19:12 |
Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) |
Surfer |
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72. |
Oct 7, 19:20 |
Re: Latest info (I should tell Blue! ;-) |
MrShoop |
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50. |
Oct 7, 18:13 |
playable? |
dudeOne |
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51. |
Oct 7, 18:17 |
PLease don't flame me but... |
FuriousBroccoli |
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52. |
Oct 7, 18:23 |
Re: PLease don't flame me but... |
Tim1_2 |
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63. |
Oct 7, 19:08 |
Re: PLease don't flame me but... |
Punisher |
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54. |
Oct 7, 18:30 |
A Front to avoid the real issue. |
thwart |
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62. |
Oct 7, 19:08 |
Re: A Front to avoid the real issue. |
richcz3 |
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65. |
Oct 7, 19:09 |
Re: A Front to avoid the real issue. |
Punisher |
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55. |
Oct 7, 18:46 |
No subject |
Z |
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56. |
Oct 7, 18:49 |
Re: No subject |
Lactose The Intolerant |
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58. |
Oct 7, 18:57 |
images... |
The Truth |
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64. |
Oct 7, 19:08 |
Re: images... |
Rigs |
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66. |
Oct 7, 19:10 |
Re: No subject |
Punisher |
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69. |
Oct 7, 19:13 |
Re: No subject |
JediLuke |
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68. |
Oct 7, 19:12 |
Re: No subject |
Species8472 |
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59. |
Oct 7, 19:00 |
I'm honestly shocked... |
Dunn |
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60. |
Oct 7, 19:05 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
The Truth |
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77. |
Oct 7, 19:42 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
DedEye |
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89. |
Oct 7, 20:20 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Chunk |
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94. |
Oct 7, 20:28 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
JediLuke |
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102. |
Oct 7, 20:39 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Chunk |
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109. |
Oct 7, 21:06 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
MrJonesPY |
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110. |
Oct 7, 21:14 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Tony!!! |
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111. |
Oct 7, 21:14 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Rigs |
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112. |
Oct 7, 21:22 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Satyric0n |
| |
121. |
Oct 7, 22:47 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
JediLuke |
| |
125. |
Oct 7, 23:01 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Jereco |
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127. |
Oct 7, 23:05 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
DrEvil |
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136. |
Oct 8, 00:31 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Chunk |
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139. |
Oct 8, 00:45 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
JediLuke |
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140. |
Oct 8, 01:15 |
No subject |
Dignan |
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142. |
Oct 8, 01:27 |
Re: No subject |
wasrad |
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143. |
Oct 8, 01:30 |
Re: No subject |
JediLuke |
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144. |
Oct 8, 01:31 |
Re: No subject |
JediLuke |
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155. |
Oct 8, 08:47 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Chunk |
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156. |
Oct 8, 09:13 |
Talking crap. |
Mr Gar |
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157. |
Oct 8, 09:49 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Punisher |
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161. |
Oct 8, 16:39 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
vajbern |
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97. |
Oct 7, 20:31 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Rigs |
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117. |
Oct 7, 22:30 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Bronco |
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166. |
Oct 8, 22:17 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
Creston |
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167. |
Oct 8, 22:55 |
Re: I'm honestly shocked... |
anon@24.76 |
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61. |
Oct 7, 19:06 |
Soo... |
Jigen |
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70. |
Oct 7, 19:13 |
No subject |
Bjorn |
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71. |
Oct 7, 19:13 |
Hell has frozen over |
richcz3 |
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73. |
Oct 7, 19:20 |
Re: Hell has frozen over |
Surfer |
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78. |
Oct 7, 19:46 |
Re: Hell has frozen over |
endosmoke |
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74. |
Oct 7, 19:26 |
Theft as cover for delays. |
Ripperjack |
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80. |
Oct 7, 19:50 |
Re: Theft as cover for delays. |
Punisher |
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96. |
Oct 7, 20:30 |
Re: Theft as cover for delays. |
Chunk |
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81. |
Oct 7, 19:51 |
Re: Theft as cover for delays. |
JediLuke |
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76. |
Oct 7, 19:41 |
Yeeeeessss |
Nexus |
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82. |
Oct 7, 19:55 |
stupid execs |
space captain |
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83. |
Oct 7, 19:57 |
Re: stupid execs |
Jigen |
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84. |
Oct 7, 19:58 |
Doom3 |
BDFD |
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85. |
Oct 7, 20:03 |
Re: Doom3 |
JediLuke |
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86. |
Oct 7, 20:07 |
huh? |
space captain |
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88. |
Oct 7, 20:20 |
No subject |
Monty |
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90. |
Oct 7, 20:23 |
Re: No subject |
Jigen |
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91. |
Oct 7, 20:25 |
Re: No subject |
Monty |
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93. |
Oct 7, 20:27 |
Re: No subject |
Jigen |
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95. |
Oct 7, 20:29 |
Re: No subject |
Species8472 |
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98. |
Oct 7, 20:34 |
No subject |
Monty |
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99. |
Oct 7, 20:36 |
Re: No subject |
Rigs |
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100. |
Oct 7, 20:36 |
Re: No subject |
Jigen |
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122. |
Oct 7, 22:51 |
Re: No subject |
Snag |
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123. |
Oct 7, 22:58 |
Re: No subject |
DrEvil |
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126. |
Oct 7, 23:03 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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128. |
Oct 7, 23:11 |
Re: No subject |
Snag |
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129. |
Oct 7, 23:14 |
Re: No subject |
TimothyB |
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131. |
Oct 7, 23:50 |
Re: No subject |
c r i s p y |
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132. |
Oct 8, 00:00 |
Re: No subject |
TimothyB |
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101. |
Oct 7, 20:38 |
No subject |
Monty |
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103. |
Oct 7, 20:44 |
Re: No subject |
Species8472 |
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104. |
Oct 7, 20:45 |
Re: No subject |
Monty |
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105. |
Oct 7, 20:54 |
Re: No subject |
Jigen |
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107. |
Oct 7, 20:59 |
Re: No subject |
Monty |
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116. |
Oct 7, 22:02 |
Re: No subject |
Void |
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118. |
Oct 7, 22:35 |
Re: No subject |
TimothyB |
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108. |
Oct 7, 21:02 |
Re: No subject |
Species8472 |
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106. |
Oct 7, 20:54 |
No subject |
Steele Johnson |
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113. |
Oct 7, 21:25 |
No subject |
VoodooV |
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114. |
Oct 7, 21:29 |
Re: No subject |
Satyric0n |
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115. |
Oct 7, 21:32 |
No subject |
Bunko |
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119. |
Oct 7, 22:37 |
Doom III |
Corky |
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120. |
Oct 7, 22:42 |
The source-code wasn't stolen |
Paully |
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124. |
Oct 7, 23:00 |
No subject |
ExcessDan |
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130. |
Oct 7, 23:38 |
No subject |
Acleacius |
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133. |
Oct 8, 00:06 |
...... |
wasrad |
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134. |
Oct 8, 00:23 |
Re: ...... |
Ralphus |
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135. |
Oct 8, 00:29 |
Re: ...... |
JediLuke |
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138. |
Oct 8, 00:38 |
Re: ...... |
wasrad |
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137. |
Oct 8, 00:36 |
Re: ...... |
Chunk |
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145. |
Oct 8, 01:39 |
Re: ...... |
rkone |
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146. |
Oct 8, 03:25 |
Re: ...... |
ExcessDan |
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141. |
Oct 8, 01:27 |
What?!?! |
FuriousBroccoli |
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147. |
Oct 8, 04:20 |
I feel bad for Valve. |
Smellfinger |
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148. |
Oct 8, 04:56 |
Re: Here is a link to the leaked beta. |
Satyric0n |
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149. |
Oct 8, 06:35 |
Re: Banning SmellFinger |
UnderLord |
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152. |
Oct 8, 07:58 |
Re: Banning SmellFinger |
Satyric0n |
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150. |
Oct 8, 07:09 |
No subject |
Armadillo |
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151. |
Oct 8, 07:27 |
Steamed |
Zephalephelah |
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153. |
Oct 8, 08:25 |
Re: Steamed |
raddish |
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154. |
Oct 8, 08:33 |
Re: Steamed |
raddish |
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170. |
Oct 9, 14:17 |
Bull shit? |
zanatose |
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171. |
Oct 9, 19:34 |
Re: Bull shit? |
Guano |
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172. |
Oct 9, 20:02 |
Re: Bull shit? |
DrEvil |
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173. |
Oct 9, 20:20 |
Re: Bull shit? |
zanatose |
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177. |
Oct 10, 15:11 |
Re: Bull shit? |
7.62WorldOrder |
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178. |
Oct 10, 19:34 |
Thoughts.. |
FrankToronto |
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179. |
Oct 10, 21:33 |
Re: Thoughts.. |
DeepCover |
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180. |
Oct 10, 21:58 |
Re: Thoughts.. |
FrankToronto |
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181. |
Oct 10, 22:01 |
Re: Thoughts.. |
FrankToronto |
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183. |
Oct 11, 04:59 |
Re: 7.62WorldOrder |
Zephalephelah |
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184. |
Oct 12, 23:09 |
Re: 7.62WorldOrder |
AcidDrone |
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158. |
Oct 8, 15:06 |
Twisted Sister |
Tim1_2 |
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159. |
Oct 8, 16:33 |
#142 I like cheesecake |
thwart |
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160. |
Oct 8, 16:36 |
Is Microsoft to blame? |
thwart |
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162. |
Oct 8, 16:45 |
Re: Is Microsoft to blame? |
Tim1_2 |
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163. |
Oct 8, 16:52 |
Re: Is Microsoft to blame? |
thwart |
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164. |
Oct 8, 20:39 |
beta patch comment |
SacredGinmill |
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168. |
Oct 8, 23:51 |
Re: beta patch comment |
ExcessDan |
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169. |
Oct 9, 03:39 |
Re: beta patch comment |
Halo |
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165. |
Oct 8, 20:53 |
HL2 Source/Beta .... |
Grey |
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174. |
Oct 10, 04:23 |
conspiracy theories |
Rug Bug Benny |
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175. |
Oct 10, 09:16 |
Re: conspiracy theories |
Zephalephelah |
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176. |
Oct 10, 11:10 |
conspiracy Theories |
Rug Bug Benny |
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182. |
Oct 10, 22:38 |
George Bush is behind this |
thwart |
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185. |
Oct 13, 00:18 |
Hmmm... |
thwart |
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186. |
Oct 13, 08:06 |
hackers, schmakers |
J-Bird |
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188. |
Oct 13, 13:59 |
Re: hackers, schmakers |
RegularX |
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187. |
Oct 13, 11:36 |
Arrr |
Nexus |
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189. |
Oct 14, 09:13 |
heh. Security through obscurity. |
Nexus |
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190. |
Oct 14, 12:46 |
Re: heh. Security through obscurity. |
RegularX |
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191. |
Oct 14, 18:29 |
Re: heh. Security through obscurity. |
Kilby |
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