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Game Biz
Mystified by Code Theft (thanks Mike Martinez) and Half-Life
2 code leaked online (thanks Thor) have a mainstream reports on the Half-Life
2 code situation. Meanwhile, Shacknews
has more on the situation from Valve's Gabe Newell: 1) We've taken our
network connection down to pretty much a minimum. We're still finding machines
internally that have been compromised.
2) The suite of tools that the attacker was using included the modified version
of RemotelyAnywhere (basically a Remote Desktop-style remote admin tool), Haxker
Defender (a process, registry key and file hiding tool), the key logger, and
various networking utilities that allowed them to transfer files (compressors,
NetCat, and FTP). We also are pretty sure they were sniffing our network to
gather passwords and other information. Haxker Defender includes a file system
driver that allows an attacker to have stuff on your machine that is invisible,
unless you do something like mount the drive under another OS that has NTFS
support.
We have determined one way of detecting some infected machines, which is using a
connection viewer to detect connections to anomalous hosts external to our
network.
We still don't know their entry method.
3) In general, the community has been remarkably swift at tracking down the
sources of the leak. What would be most helpful now are IP addresses of the
people who were responsible for the intrusion or for the denial of service
attacks.
4) Also, please continue to send in URLs of websites hosting the source code.
We've been contacting people and asking them to take it down.
5) There's anecdotal evidence that other game developers have been targeted by
whoever attacked us. This hasn't been confirmed. We've been providing other game
developers with more detailed information about the exploits and evidence of
infiltration.
6) We're running a little bit blind with our network shut down, but it seems
like some of the press has picked up the story. I've been fielding calls from
the mainstream non-games, non-technical press.all day. Hopefully they will get
to report shortly what a mistake it is to piss off a whole bunch of gamers and
get them hunting you around the Internet.
For any information related to this, please send it to helpvalve@valvesoftware.com,
or you can always send to gaben@valvesoftware.com
as well.
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Re: poor valve |
Oct 5, 2003, 21:45 |
Enahs |
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Valve's portfolio accounts for over 8 million retail units sold worldwide.say they only sold it for 30 bucks=2.4 billion.cry me a river. You really should learn powers of 10 better. 8 million units at $30 a pop is 240 million, not 2.4 billion.
Also, half of the retail price is mark up from the retailer. Then you have to split that amount between developer and distributor, after taxes, cost of running a business. Yes it is still ALOT, and they are rich, but not as rich as you think.
So, lets take 8 million units at $50 a pop.(which I do not think HL ever sold that high, I think it was released at $40?, but the prices went down, so not all copies where at that amount, so the following calculations are actually less, but let us ignore that :) $25 of that is for the retailer So of that $25 left, lets say the cost of manufacturing and distributing is only $2. That leaves us with $23. Now, when Valve struck a deal to get half life distributed, they where not established, so if they got a 50/50 split of profit, they are lucky. So, half of $23 is $11.5 So, let us say they made $11.5 from each unit sold. That leaves them with $92 million! Nearly half of that goes to taxes, thanks uncle Sam! So let us say that leaves them with even $60 million left. Now divide that over the 5 year development of HL2, to support the company, and the 2 year minimum of HL development. So $60 million over 7 years. That is nearly 8.6 million a year! Now let us add cost of running a business, such as office space, equipment, utilities, etc. Well, let us forget that. 8.6 million a year, now divide that by, ohh lets say 20 people. That is nearly 287 thousand a year, per person, if it was to be devided evenly(which those individual people then have to pay a hefty tax on!). Still very sweet, but less then that, as you do have the cost of running business I can not factor in. But they also did have other income. The bottom line, your math sucks, yes they are rich, but not super rich, and it still sucks it happened to them, no matter the economics.
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Oct 4, 16:10 |
Hope they catch the bastards... |
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Oct 4, 15:59 |
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Oct 4, 16:07 |
Makes me feel ill |
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Oct 4, 16:08 |
Here comes another |
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Oct 4, 16:31 |
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Oct 4, 16:40 |
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Oct 4, 18:56 |
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Oct 4, 18:13 |
I'm not so certain... |
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Oct 4, 18:56 |
Internet explorer, Outlook |
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Oct 4, 19:12 |
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Oct 4, 18:19 |
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Oct 4, 18:22 |
How much delay |
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Oct 4, 18:29 |
Re: How much delay |
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Oct 4, 18:51 |
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Oct 5, 09:05 |
Re: Here comes another |
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Oct 4, 21:55 |
Re: Here comes another |
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Oct 7, 23:03 |
nm |
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Oct 4, 19:03 |
guess who? |
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Oct 4, 19:17 |
It just keeps getting worse |
Hump |
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Oct 4, 19:31 |
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Re: No subject |
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Oct 4, 19:53 |
Prolonging the delay... |
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Oct 4, 21:58 |
Imagine... |
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Oct 4, 21:58 |
No subject |
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Oct 4, 22:04 |
btw |
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Oct 4, 22:18 |
What's the problem? |
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Oct 4, 22:23 |
I still think this is all bullshit |
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Oct 4, 22:27 |
Re: I still think this is all bullshit |
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No subject |
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Oct 5, 00:11 |
No subject |
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Oct 5, 00:22 |
Hackers must be stopped |
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Oct 5, 10:59 |
FUCK VALVE & PETA |
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Re: Suicide concert |
c r i s p y |
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Re: A HL-2 Game Out Already? |
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Speechless... |
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Oct 5, 04:28 |
Back on Track |
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Oct 5, 10:03 |
No subject |
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Oct 5, 10:14 |
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Oct 5, 11:26 |
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Oct 5, 11:27 |
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Oct 5, 15:59 |
how to say Nuclear... |
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Oct 5, 16:51 |
Re: how to say Nuclear... |
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Oct 5, 19:31 |
Full |
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The Truth |
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Oct 5, 11:04 |
HL2 |
Cheese |
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Oct 5, 11:09 |
Compiled |
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Oct 5, 11:17 |
Re: HL2 |
weeds |
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Oct 5, 11:26 |
Re: HL2 |
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Oct 5, 12:56 |
Re: HL2 |
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Oct 5, 13:27 |
Re: HL2 |
Ralphus |
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Oct 5, 12:27 |
Justice |
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Oct 5, 15:18 |
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Oct 5, 15:46 |
Re: Justice |
Paranoid Jack |
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Oct 5, 20:55 |
Re: Justice |
Snag |
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Oct 5, 21:10 |
poor valve |
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Oct 5, 21:45 |
Re: poor valve |
Enahs |
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Oct 5, 22:26 |
to 113 |
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Enahs |
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Oct 5, 22:39 |
Re: poor valve |
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Oct 5, 22:48 |
Re: poor valve |
Snag |
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Oct 5, 21:23 |
Re: Justice |
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Oct 5, 22:34 |
Re: Justice |
Snag |
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Oct 5, 15:51 |
No subject |
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Oct 5, 23:30 |
No subject |
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Oct 6, 01:44 |
No subject |
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Re: 121 |
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Oct 6, 04:23 |
Re: 121 |
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Oct 7, 23:27 |
Feel it.. |
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Oct 7, 23:27 |
Feel it.. |
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Oct 6, 04:33 |
Re: Corky |
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Oct 6, 04:44 |
Valve is a little STEAMED |
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Oct 6, 05:43 |
Re: Valve is a little STEAMED |
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Oct 7, 06:00 |
Re: Valve is a little STEAMED |
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Oct 7, 15:43 |
Re: Valve is a little STEAMED |
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Oct 6, 16:07 |
Hardware cheats etc |
Nexus |
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Re: Hardware cheats etc |
Von Helmet |
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Oct 6, 16:50 |
Arrr |
Nexus |
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Oct 7, 08:43 |
Re: Deliverance |
Nexus |
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