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Re: HL2 |
Sep 24, 2003, 19:49 |
CrowFeather |
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I'm sure it's a content delay. It takes a long time to build textures, monsters, maps, and the like with graphic engines like this.
I think if it were a content delay, they would have known long before this.
Of course, it's possible that they did, and just didn't tell anyone.
What made Half-Life? A good game. What made it a classic? Counter-Strike.
I disagree. I think that Half-Life was a classic in its own right. BUT...it was a classic for reasons of content design, not technology. It was built on someone else's engine, and nothing about the tech was particularly inovative, or even close to the cutting edge.
Half-Life was great because of its immersive story, and well-designed evironments and characters.
Valve has only 1 complete game under their belt. They're not genius.
It does indeed sound like they are starting to believe their own hype. And we all know what happens when game designeers go too far down that road. Do I need to say the name?
Yes, they kept quiet about it for a long time, unlike the name I won't mention, which was smart. But they should have kept quiet until they knew they could hit their release date. It was a smart marketing strategy and they should have stuck with it.
Look at what's happened to public opinion.
A month ago, everyone's reaction was "Holy ...*&*(^. Must...get...game...".
Now the doubts are starting to creep in. First the whole Steam fiasco, now the delays (most likely on account of same)...
I think they are trying to do too much, too fast; a common indication of hubris.
My advice to them, were I in a position to give such, would be as follows:
"Concentrate on getting HL2 out the door. Delay Steam, and just release HL2 with WON IDs. Then you can focus all your effort on fixing Steam, making it reliable and 'bullet-proof'. Then release it as an optional service. If it's good, people will quickly adapt it.
Yes, this does prevent you from doing certain things you wanted to dowith Steam, but a dog who chases two rabbits at once will catch neither."
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Sep 24, 00:19 |
No subject |
BrunoPuntzJones |
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2. |
Sep 24, 00:20 |
Re: No subject |
sc4r4b |
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3. |
Sep 24, 00:20 |
Re: No subject |
joeslim |
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21. |
Sep 24, 00:53 |
Re: No subject |
Yakuza |
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22. |
Sep 24, 00:55 |
No Biggie |
TangledThorns |
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46. |
Sep 24, 02:20 |
Re: No Biggie |
Darkhand Brackstone |
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50. |
Sep 24, 02:33 |
Re: No Biggie |
TangledThorns |
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58. |
Sep 24, 03:36 |
? |
Ouch |
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134. |
Sep 24, 14:15 |
So? |
Phalkin |
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189. |
Sep 25, 18:01 |
Re: No subject |
JooS10 |
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190. |
Sep 25, 19:25 |
Re: No subject |
TimothyB |
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191. |
Sep 25, 19:42 |
Re: No subject |
MindTrigger |
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192. |
Sep 25, 20:06 |
Re: No subject |
MindTrigger |
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194. |
Sep 25, 20:16 |
Re: No subject |
WarPig |
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196. |
Sep 25, 20:37 |
Re: No subject |
ReDeeMeR |
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4. |
Sep 24, 00:20 |
Finally |
Da Stylin' Rastan |
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5. |
Sep 24, 00:22 |
dammit |
Wiggamoe |
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6. |
Sep 24, 00:25 |
This thread is going to be ginourmous |
SidVicious |
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9. |
Sep 24, 00:32 |
Re: This thread is going to be ginourmous |
Leakey |
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7. |
Sep 24, 00:30 |
HAHA |
ExcessDan |
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8. |
Sep 24, 00:31 |
shacknews |
Wiggamoe |
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28. |
Sep 24, 01:31 |
Re: shacknews |
|o.O|Payback |
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30. |
Sep 24, 01:37 |
Re: shacknews |
|o.O|Payback |
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35. |
Sep 24, 01:49 |
Re: shacknews |
pancreas |
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36. |
Sep 24, 01:51 |
Re: shacknews |
Captain Beatdown |
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38. |
Sep 24, 01:54 |
Re: shacknews |
Dr.Del |
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40. |
Sep 24, 02:07 |
Re: shacknews |
Midnight |
| |
41. |
Sep 24, 02:09 |
Re: shacknews |
MindTrigger |
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42. |
Sep 24, 02:13 |
Re: shacknews |
Halo |
| |
43. |
Sep 24, 02:16 |
Re: shacknews |
MindTrigger |
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45. |
Sep 24, 02:17 |
OH NO |
DNForever |
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48. |
Sep 24, 02:26 |
Re: OH NO |
SuperguyA1 |
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49. |
Sep 24, 02:32 |
Re: OH NO |
TimothyB |
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52. |
Sep 24, 02:43 |
Re: OH NO |
Xombie |
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74. |
Sep 24, 06:42 |
Re: shacknews |
frag.machine |
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75. |
Sep 24, 06:50 |
Re: shacknews |
Valcron |
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76. |
Sep 24, 06:51 |
Anyone see |
Valcron |
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78. |
Sep 24, 07:00 |
Re: shacknews |
Mr Gar |
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84. |
Sep 24, 07:34 |
Re: shacknews |
Ihya |
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85. |
Sep 24, 07:40 |
hahahahahaha |
Shataan |
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86. |
Sep 24, 07:49 |
Re: hahahahahaha |
World war 3 |
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87. |
Sep 24, 07:55 |
Re: shacknews |
waxthirteen |
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88. |
Sep 24, 08:21 |
Re: shacknews |
Scottish Martial Arts |
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110. |
Sep 24, 10:29 |
KMFDM - WWIII |
sc4r4b |
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61. |
Sep 24, 04:35 |
Nvidia's fault |
Mr Gar |
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65. |
Sep 24, 04:54 |
No subject |
EvilGoof_Trollboy |
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145. |
Sep 24, 16:06 |
Re: Nvidia's fault |
Marksman |
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82. |
Sep 24, 07:23 |
Re: shacknews |
Beamer |
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83. |
Sep 24, 07:31 |
Re: shacknews |
Mr Gar |
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143. |
Sep 24, 15:33 |
Re: shacknews |
Tango |
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186. |
Sep 25, 15:35 |
Re: shacknews |
pancreas |
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187. |
Sep 25, 16:14 |
Re: shacknews |
TimothyB |
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31. |
Sep 24, 01:42 |
Re: shacknews |
Learned Hand |
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33. |
Sep 24, 01:48 |
Re: shacknews |
TimothyB |
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37. |
Sep 24, 01:52 |
Re: shacknews |
TimothyB |
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55. |
Sep 24, 03:12 |
Re: shacknews |
Dignan |
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56. |
Sep 24, 03:17 |
Re: shacknews |
Waachi |
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60. |
Sep 24, 04:19 |
Re: shacknews |
pancreas |
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64. |
Sep 24, 04:52 |
Re: shacknews |
TimothyB |
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71. |
Sep 24, 06:04 |
Re: shacknews |
S_Hole |
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10. |
Sep 24, 00:33 |
doom3 |
Wiggamoe |
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73. |
Sep 24, 06:29 |
Re: doom3 |
ildon |
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11. |
Sep 24, 00:34 |
WTG Valve! |
FloppyGrandma |
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15. |
Sep 24, 00:43 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
Tyrlan |
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20. |
Sep 24, 00:52 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
TimothyB |
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23. |
Sep 24, 00:56 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
Cartman |
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24. |
Sep 24, 01:01 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
TimothyB |
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25. |
Sep 24, 01:06 |
Re: No subject |
Nuhauser |
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95. |
Sep 24, 09:14 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
Veggie |
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96. |
Sep 24, 09:21 |
after single player |
Serby |
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98. |
Sep 24, 09:25 |
Re: after single player |
weeds |
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101. |
Sep 24, 09:35 |
Re: after single player |
Serby |
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147. |
Sep 24, 16:17 |
Re: after single player |
Marksman |
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97. |
Sep 24, 09:24 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
weeds |
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102. |
Sep 24, 09:43 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
Veggie |
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107. |
Sep 24, 10:21 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
IAMGOD |
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120. |
Sep 24, 11:49 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
Bakura |
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99. |
Sep 24, 09:29 |
Re: WTG Valve! |
Hump |
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12. |
Sep 24, 00:41 |
No subject |
Z |
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13. |
Sep 24, 00:42 |
Re: No subject |
ExcessDan |
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18. |
Sep 24, 00:52 |
Re: Re: No subject |
icDrAgon |
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14. |
Sep 24, 00:42 |
Re: No subject |
Vermilion |
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16. |
Sep 24, 00:48 |
Hahaha |
WarPig |
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17. |
Sep 24, 00:51 |
ps |
WarPig |
| |
19. |
Sep 24, 00:52 |
Figured as much... |
Cartman |
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26. |
Sep 24, 01:20 |
Oooh this is good... |
Mashiki Amiketo |
| |
27. |
Sep 24, 01:25 |
Re: Oooh this is good... |
[AIX]Hood |
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29. |
Sep 24, 01:36 |
No subject |
scottr |
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32. |
Sep 24, 01:44 |
pathetic |
ChaosEngine |
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34. |
Sep 24, 01:49 |
Re: pathetic |
Dr.Del |
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39. |
Sep 24, 02:05 |
VBG =) |
Rick |
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44. |
Sep 24, 02:16 |
No subject |
Enemy |
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47. |
Sep 24, 02:22 |
Motherf*cker! |
Halsy |
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51. |
Sep 24, 02:39 |
No subject |
future_man |
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53. |
Sep 24, 02:48 |
Keeping Occupied |
eunichron |
| |
54. |
Sep 24, 03:00 |
Retail |
TangledThorns |
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57. |
Sep 24, 03:34 |
No subject |
JediPunisher |
| |
59. |
Sep 24, 04:12 |
Re: No subject |
SM0k3 |
| |
62. |
Sep 24, 04:49 |
Sept 30th |
garry |
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63. |
Sep 24, 04:52 |
still bullsh*t |
Pugio |
| |
66. |
Sep 24, 04:56 |
nyeah |
Hump |
| |
67. |
Sep 24, 05:14 |
Re: nyeah |
garry |
| |
68. |
Sep 24, 05:21 |
Re: nyeah |
Mr Gar |
| |
89. |
Sep 24, 08:35 |
Re: nyeah |
Anvil |
| |
92. |
Sep 24, 08:57 |
Re: later the better |
Serby |
| |
93. |
Sep 24, 09:00 |
Re: nyeah |
nin |
| |
94. |
Sep 24, 09:03 |
Delayed? |
MyRealName |
| |
69. |
Sep 24, 05:26 |
Already know??? |
Jerzy |
| |
70. |
Sep 24, 05:42 |
Re: Already know??? |
garry |
| |
72. |
Sep 24, 06:24 |
nice |
ildon |
| |
77. |
Sep 24, 06:58 |
No subject |
Xero |
| |
237. |
Sep 29, 17:59 |
Re: No subject |
Nox |
| |
79. |
Sep 24, 07:15 |
STEAM(ing pile o' ****) |
lochwinnoch |
| |
80. |
Sep 24, 07:18 |
Steam? |
CrowFeather |
| |
178. |
Sep 25, 01:53 |
Re: Steam? |
ildon |
| |
179. |
Sep 25, 02:15 |
Re: Steam? |
Locke |
| |
185. |
Sep 25, 15:04 |
Re: Steam? |
IronMan |
| |
181. |
Sep 25, 02:37 |
Re: Steam? |
CrowFeather |
| |
182. |
Sep 25, 11:07 |
Re: Steam? |
KaRRiLLioN |
| |
81. |
Sep 24, 07:23 |
Yawn |
Creston |
| |
90. |
Sep 24, 08:54 |
No subject |
Rain |
| |
91. |
Sep 24, 08:57 |
Halo for PC |
NoGodForMe |
| |
100. |
Sep 24, 09:31 |
the sky is falling |
VoodooV |
| |
104. |
Sep 24, 09:51 |
Re: the sky is falling |
Jobz |
| |
105. |
Sep 24, 10:04 |
... |
Orosian |
| |
106. |
Sep 24, 10:09 |
Pre-orders |
Mr Gar |
| |
103. |
Sep 24, 09:47 |
Yes but |
Mopap |
| |
108. |
Sep 24, 10:22 |
If you hate the way Valve treats you... |
Pr0nestar |
| |
109. |
Sep 24, 10:29 |
Re: If you hate the way Valve treats you... |
IAMGOD |
| |
112. |
Sep 24, 10:33 |
Re: If you hate the way Valve treats you... |
Pr0nestar |
| |
113. |
Sep 24, 11:06 |
Re: If you hate the way Valve treats you... |
Pineapple Ferguson |
| |
238. |
Sep 29, 18:09 |
Re: If you hate the way Valve treats you... |
Nox |
| |
239. |
Sep 29, 22:47 |
Re: Nox |
Zephalephelah |
| |
111. |
Sep 24, 10:32 |
No subject |
NoGodForMe |
| |
118. |
Sep 24, 11:26 |
Re: No subject |
Mr Gar |
| |
119. |
Sep 24, 11:37 |
Oh well at least there's this... |
KaRRiLLioN |
| |
121. |
Sep 24, 11:50 |
Re: No subject |
ExcessDan |
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148. |
Sep 24, 16:21 |
Re: No subject |
Marksman |
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161. |
Sep 24, 19:03 |
Re: No subject |
CrowFeather |
| |
114. |
Sep 24, 11:08 |
Stop Your Incessant Whining Noobs. |
JeZZyBaLL |
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115. |
Sep 24, 11:10 |
Did you hear that? |
Slingblade |
| |
116. |
Sep 24, 11:12 |
The REAL reason for the delay of HL2 |
ZigZang |
| |
117. |
Sep 24, 11:21 |
Lied to? Only indirectly... |
mbowers |
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122. |
Sep 24, 11:55 |
SHUT UP |
garry |
| |
123. |
Sep 24, 12:01 |
HL2 tech Demo |
jm0ris0n |
| |
124. |
Sep 24, 12:05 |
Re: HL2 tech Demo |
jm0ris0n |
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125. |
Sep 24, 12:24 |
Re: HL2 tech Demo |
ReDeeMeR |
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126. |
Sep 24, 12:32 |
HL2 |
red_420 |
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127. |
Sep 24, 12:44 |
Re: HL2 |
Pr0nestar |
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128. |
Sep 24, 12:49 |
Re: HL2 |
Von Helmet |
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129. |
Sep 24, 12:57 |
Re: HL2 |
Typhon |
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130. |
Sep 24, 13:03 |
Re: HL2 |
red_420 |
| |
131. |
Sep 24, 13:16 |
Re: HL2 |
Von Helmet |
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132. |
Sep 24, 13:50 |
Re: HL2 |
red_420 |
| |
136. |
Sep 24, 14:21 |
Re: HL2 |
PsycSui |
| |
139. |
Sep 24, 14:46 |
Re: HL2 |
Von Helmet |
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166. |
Sep 24, 19:49 |
Re: HL2 |
CrowFeather |
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137. |
Sep 24, 14:24 |
Re: HL2 |
redink1 |
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133. |
Sep 24, 13:55 |
Wait a minute |
jackmh |
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135. |
Sep 24, 14:15 |
Why I laugh |
PsycSui |
| |
138. |
Sep 24, 14:26 |
the truth behind the delay: |
sweetjimmy |
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140. |
Sep 24, 15:15 |
What did you expect? |
Tim1_2 |
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142. |
Sep 24, 15:26 |
Re: What did you expect? |
VoodooV |
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141. |
Sep 24, 15:21 |
No subject |
Bunko |
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151. |
Sep 24, 17:22 |
Scotty, fire up the engines! |
LugNut |
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152. |
Sep 24, 17:27 |
Re: Scotty, fire up the engines! |
Ewok |
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144. |
Sep 24, 16:04 |
No subject |
Nonicknameforme |
| |
146. |
Sep 24, 16:17 |
Re: No subject |
MindTrigger |
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149. |
Sep 24, 16:54 |
No subject |
ExcessDan |
| |
150. |
Sep 24, 17:11 |
Re: No subject |
nin |
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153. |
Sep 24, 17:44 |
No subject |
John |
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154. |
Sep 24, 17:45 |
No subject |
OCed_5150 |
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155. |
Sep 24, 17:50 |
No subject |
OCed_5150 |
| |
156. |
Sep 24, 17:54 |
No subject |
ExcessDan |
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159. |
Sep 24, 18:19 |
Re: No subject |
vacs |
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157. |
Sep 24, 18:12 |
HL2 delay... so what |
vacs |
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158. |
Sep 24, 18:16 |
Re: HL2 delay... so what |
ExcessDan |
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160. |
Sep 24, 18:46 |
Re: HL2 delay... so what |
Xenopulse |
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162. |
Sep 24, 19:11 |
April Fools! (2004) |
F1 |
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163. |
Sep 24, 19:24 |
UnDelayed? |
John Williams |
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164. |
Sep 24, 19:35 |
Re: UnDelayed? |
ExcessDan |
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165. |
Sep 24, 19:41 |
Re: UnDelayed? |
John Williams |
| |
167. |
Sep 24, 19:50 |
Re: UnDelayed? |
ReDeeMeR |
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168. |
Sep 24, 19:51 |
I know Exactly What Happened |
Zephalephelah |
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169. |
Sep 24, 20:50 |
No subject |
Kxmode |
| |
174. |
Sep 24, 23:23 |
Re: No subject |
Marksman |
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170. |
Sep 24, 21:17 |
Release Date |
Frozensun |
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171. |
Sep 24, 22:05 |
My 2 cents |
WarPig |
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172. |
Sep 24, 22:50 |
Re: My 2 cents |
sc4r4b |
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173. |
Sep 24, 23:09 |
another log on the fire |
VoodooV |
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175. |
Sep 24, 23:49 |
Valve is not accountable |
PsycSui |
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176. |
Sep 25, 01:26 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
WarPig |
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177. |
Sep 25, 01:38 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
TimothyB |
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184. |
Sep 25, 11:58 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
Maskirovka |
| |
188. |
Sep 25, 16:38 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
PsycSui |
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199. |
Sep 25, 21:12 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
ildon |
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200. |
Sep 25, 21:57 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
TimothyB |
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201. |
Sep 25, 22:14 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
ReDeeMeR |
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202. |
Sep 25, 22:31 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
Maskirovka |
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203. |
Sep 26, 00:20 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
Bob |
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204. |
Sep 26, 00:24 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
pancreas |
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215. |
Sep 26, 18:42 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
Slippy theClown |
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193. |
Sep 25, 20:06 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
Creston |
| |
195. |
Sep 25, 20:16 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
MindTrigger |
| |
197. |
Sep 25, 20:47 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
PsycSui |
| |
198. |
Sep 25, 20:57 |
Re: Valve is not accountable |
Chance |
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180. |
Sep 25, 02:18 |
T-U-R-N-I-N-G B-L-U-E |
theAntiELVIS |
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183. |
Sep 25, 11:19 |
For those of you who missed it... |
Scott |
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205. |
Sep 26, 00:27 |
Film vs. Games |
NuclearOctopus |
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206. |
Sep 26, 04:26 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
PsycSui |
| |
207. |
Sep 26, 08:10 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
CrowFeather |
| |
209. |
Sep 26, 09:48 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
WarPig |
| |
210. |
Sep 26, 12:18 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
ReDeeMeR |
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211. |
Sep 26, 12:26 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
nin |
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212. |
Sep 26, 12:40 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
ReDeeMeR |
| |
213. |
Sep 26, 16:48 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
Creston |
| |
216. |
Sep 26, 18:44 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
PsycSui |
| |
217. |
Sep 26, 19:31 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
red_420 |
| |
218. |
Sep 27, 14:24 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
ReDeeMeR |
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219. |
Sep 27, 18:42 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
damocles |
| |
220. |
Sep 27, 19:28 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
WarPig |
| |
221. |
Sep 27, 21:25 |
Re: Film vs. Games & STEAM |
Zephalephelah |
| |
224. |
Sep 28, 09:27 |
Re: Film vs. Games & STEAM |
Undead Scottsman |
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225. |
Sep 28, 10:53 |
Re: Film vs. Games & STEAM |
Creston |
| |
226. |
Sep 28, 11:16 |
No subject |
damocles |
| |
227. |
Sep 28, 15:04 |
Re: No subject |
anon@24.76 |
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228. |
Sep 28, 15:49 |
Re: No subject |
damocles |
| |
232. |
Sep 28, 23:58 |
Re: No subject |
Vexar |
| |
235. |
Sep 29, 13:20 |
Re: No subject |
Waachi |
| |
231. |
Sep 28, 20:28 |
Re: Film vs. Games & STEAM |
Zephalephelah |
| |
236. |
Sep 29, 13:56 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
PsycSui |
| |
214. |
Sep 26, 18:06 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
deathbots |
| |
222. |
Sep 28, 05:29 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
famished |
| |
223. |
Sep 28, 06:21 |
Re: Film vs. Games |
L0cky |
| |
208. |
Sep 26, 09:17 |
No subject |
Button_Man |
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229. |
Sep 28, 18:55 |
VALVE |
Will |
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Sep 28, 19:23 |
Re: VALVE |
damocles |
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233. |
Sep 29, 05:38 |
bring on the games |
SirAnthony |
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234. |
Sep 29, 10:23 |
Re: bring on the games |
Halo |
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240. |
Sep 30, 15:56 |
damn |
natx |
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241. |
Sep 30, 16:16 |
Re: damn |
Bob |
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242. |
Oct 7, 11:25 |
Re: damn |
Lilricky |
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