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New America's Army

A new version 1.90 of America's Army: Operations is now available. The update to the free Unreal-engine Army game to version 1.90. The update adds the new combat medic character class with accompanying training, a new damage model, new multiplayer missions, a new interface, new character models, new anti-cheating measures, and more. Like the version 1.6 update, this new release can be found on the America's Army eCommerce Server, where there is a charge to download. Update: As the story above this details, this is indeed the new version, but it has been released prematurely, and no servers are yet available. Mirrors of the premature release can be found on 3D Gamers, FileFront, FilePlanet (registration required), FileShack (registration required), GIGA Download, and IGN.

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47. So.... Aug 7, 2003, 05:25 Fillem
 
not wanting to contribute to this debate (would require a lot of reading and I'm at work currently :-)) has anyone played the medic yet?

After all those lessons and tests I thought the medic class would be a little more than just 'using' bandages and BAM that's it, your fractures are healed

Didn't get a 100% on any of those tests though.

 
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46. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 20:28 Bosco
 
test, Your starting to sound like some of the clap-trap conservatives on am radio.


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45. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 19:30 test
 
spoken like a true liberal halsey big bad america is picking on the little people of the world and we shoudl eb ashamed of ourselves. I see your professors taught you well.
and...
Im not so sure its joy you are so full of but believe what you want to.

 
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44. Re: AA sucky? Aug 6, 2003, 14:09 Valcor
 
Halsy...Once your done insulting those who have defended, fought and died for your right to say your horribly biased, close-minded, selfish, pompous views, take some time to evaluate yourself. All your time with your precious poly-sci degree has done nothing but make you think you are better than the masses that you study. Dismount from your high horse, then clean the stalls it stays in, maybe then you'll get a better understanding of that which you study. A few quotes:
"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration" -Thomas Edison
**Halsy seems to have neither quality**
"Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein
**Halsy's valid points are trite and obvious. Yes,
war is bad and often needless - we know, thanks.**
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity, an optimist see the opportunity in every difficulty" - Winston Churchill
**Umm, I'll just say a good quote for all to
think about.**

 
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43. Re: AA sucky? Aug 6, 2003, 10:58 Scottish Martial Arts
 
Huh, I had hoped to wake up to find another post by Halsy but I guess I have to wait. I'm not trying to change his opinion I'm just trying to get him to realize why his comment might be perceived as offensive and to understand how it probably isn't the whole truth. The guy seems pretty sharp though, and when he isn't making personal jabs it is fun to read his responses. I'm just curious as to how he'll respond to my last post.

 
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42. AA sucky? Aug 6, 2003, 09:38 Nexus
 
Give me AA any day over CS now. CS1.6 completely sucks, just look at the way neither HE nor flashbangs make much of a differnce at all in CS. In AA at least grenades are individually useful, require skill and can be used tactically.

 
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41. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 08:56 Bronco
 
don't waste your time and energy on halsy.

While I find his delivery harsh at times he makes cogent points and overall makes his point quite well. He does suffer from the same propensity to make 'party line' attacks/comments as many of the conservatives here. I don't agree with his beliefs regarding the role of government in our lives but hey, to each their own.

I'd be curious to know who Halsy thinks can beat Bush in 04.

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40. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 08:49 Fingers M
 
"I wouldn't worry about it. Its probably just some rumor or something. But what isn't a rumor is AA is a sucky game. Counterstrike is better."

que Cartman laughing at butters with the balls on his chin, ahh thanks Bosco that was a good laugh. whew.

 
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39. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 08:16 [AIX]Hood
 
don't waste your time and energy on halsy. I've met too dense people like him and know that it's a worthless cause to convince them. They usually believe that America can do no right in this world no matter what actions we take. They usually only talk about the negative 50 percent of any story and refuse to acknowledge any of the positives even if you drill it into their brain with endless facts. It matters not. If you continue to try, people like him have won. Don't give him the satisfaction. Who cares if he has the last word on some online message board. You keep doing your thing in the real world which is what matters.

 
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38. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 04:20 instant
 
16.
did you hear?
Aug 5, 22:56
test


some of the dems and the aclu were going to go after the defense dept on this game because it glamourized war and they thought unfairly targeted young men who could be brainwashed into enlisting..
do these guys ever have a clue about real life?
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Then ACLU is f*ed up.

 
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37. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 04:17 instant
 
30.
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Scottish Martial Arts


On topic I really like AA. One of the most realistic and exhilarating depictions of Infantry combat yet on the computer. It isn't for most people but if you like tactical games that require *gasp* sound tactics such as fire and maneuver, you might really enjoy it.

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Or you can just cheat your way through it, like most of the f*in a-holes do.

AA was a great game. Hopefully 1.9 will make it that great game again.

Although it is VERY unrealistic in a lot of areas, and that sucks.

Flashpoint is still a lot better, although the animations and movements could have been improved.

Americas Army : operation flashpoint 2 - that'd be a match made i heaven.

 
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36. Re: Wasteful installer Aug 6, 2003, 04:12 instant
 
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Aug 6, 02:13
Kukuman


I just installed it... I am amazed at how wasteful the installer is. First it unzips everything thru Winzip Self-Extractor... there's about 1.2 GB of used space (the SFX file is 600 MB). Then it COPIES everything from the temp directory to the final directory! That's almost 2 GB of space wasted to install a 700-800 MB game! Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and come from the days were conserving precious memory and disk space was imperative... oh well."


People dont give a frag about conserving space or anything anymore.. Just look at Planetside.

We should go back to the days of 640k, when people could'nt throw memory and disk storage around.

Those bastards.

 
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35. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 04:10 Scottish Martial Arts
 
I can't help but smile Halsy, I read your edited post and thought we were on some common ground. Then I read your next response and it's obvious I was mistaken.

I felt like I made a pretty rational response that was hardly "flying off the handle". I could easily be mistaken but I made an effort to express that I felt angry by your remarks without falling into a fit of name calling and personal attacks. Sure I left a few jabs in there but to my mind they were meant to stimulate further discussion between the academia mindset and the military mindset, not inflame. Anyway what said is said and it's clear my intentions weren't reality.

To some extent I agree about the U.S. Military's technological superiority. On the other hand during Vietnam we had overwhelming technological and material superiority and that didn't help worth a damn. In addition, prior to the first Gulf War many pundits (Policy Anylzers and Advisors, perhaps?) felt that the US Military was hopelessly outmatched by the Iraqi's and the only possible result would be either total defeat of the coalition or a stalemate that would lead to Saddam employing chemical weapons. Didn't exactly happen did it?

I guess the biggest differance between you and me is that you prefer to create. I prefer to implement. I can't tell you how frustrated I am by people who complain about societies woes but yet have no idea how to fix it. Or maybe they do have an idea but implementing it, or even determining if it is implementable, is something they refuse to do. I have to say that in my experience, paying lip service to an idea is a lot harder than actually putting that idea into action. That is ultimately the issue I take with academics. They make it their business to come up with great ideas but leave it to someone else to actually make it happen. The academic is so far removed from the implementation that their ideas rarely have any relevance in the real world.

Now I don't know your profession, but your posts have stricken me as an academic of the archetype above. I am probably completely wrong but that is why I have always tried to ignore your posts, because I knew a pissing match like this evenings would result.

I had a couple more points but I was too lazy to work them into the above, so here they are in list format:

-You say that history is filled with examples of soldiers doing very bad things. This is true. But one could also make the case that history is filled with examples of soldiers doing very good things. This is also true.

-The differance between the soldier and the civilian isn't so much intelligence or the desire to question. Its mission over self, team over individual. If transportation for the mission is only available at 2:30AM the soldier goes ahead and does it, the civilian would through a huge fit. The civilian looks only at how things will benifit himself, the soldier looks at how things will benifit the team. The psychology of soldiers and civilians is an interesting subject, one which I look forward to studying at West Point.

-I really believe you are discounting the common soldier by saying he is a "bottom feeder". Many soldiers are highly astute, highly inquisitive and all around intelligent people. The differance lies in that they are willing to put the mission before there own beliefs and own sense of self-preservation. Its not that they don't think or question, they just know that there responsibility is to get the job done. They trust people like you to act out the thinking and questioning that they do internally, you can afford to question the missions given to the military, they can't. That is unless they wan't the mission to fail and to get themselves and their buddies killed.

-As for Bush I don't really like him. I don't believe I'll vote for him in 2004. I realize that there were a lot of ulterior motives behind the second Iraq War. I realize that there is war profiteering going on. I do however believe that getting rid of Saddam was ultimately a good thing. I believe that in 5 years time life in Iraq will be better than it was under Saddam. Was that justification for the war? I don't know. Were I ten years older and a company commander in Iraq, I would have questioned the reasons for going there. I wouldn't blindly think that it was all because Saddam is a bad, bad guy with WMDs. I would however recognize that it is my job to fight and win wars. And it is my professional obligation to do so. Sure I could resign my commission but that wouldn't help my soldiers. They'd still go and they wouldn't have my leadership. Ultimately I'd rationalize my part in what happened over there as taking care of my men. I couldn't abandon them to inferior leadership just because I disagreed with the reason we were there.

-As to my emotional response being unbecoming of an officer, yeah thats very true. I don't react well to personal attacks, I am however capable of very inventive critical thinking under great stress. I've gotten to prove that during various rallies and other events throughout high school. Does a personal attack relate to being shot at? Not sure, I tend to think not since fear and hurt feelings are different in my mind. I don't know how I will react under fire but I do know that I can create solutions to problems when the shit has hit the fan.

Well, thats all I can think of to say. I actually kind of enjoy arguing with you as long as the flames stay out of it. You seem like a pretty sharp guy Halsy, just one with all the wrong ideas

 
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34. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 04:08 instant
 
Bosco #21:

Counterstrike is trash.

 
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33. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 03:02 Halsy
 
Again, calm thyself. You attacked me, I responded, you apologized, I changed my post but not before you go flying off the handle again.
You really need to learn to chill. Get flustered like that in combat and you won't be an officer for long.

There is a reason why the military is so efficient at fighting and winning wars and thats because quick thinking, intelligent men, who act with initiative, lead it.

No, it's because it fights other people and countries who don't have a hope in hell to match the technological power and money of the US.
As an example, do you honestly think Iraq was some major military victory due to the intelligence and insight of an the brilliant leadership of the military forces there?
You're talking about fighting illiterate sheepherders with antique weapons with overwhelming odds and equipment. How much skill and education do you really need to win something like that? Come on.
It's the fact that we went in the first place is what bothers me. That's because people in the know (i.e: people like me) knew it was bullshit all along and proclaimed it as such.
Now that little tyrant cocksucker is literally getting away with murder and him and his pals are profiting from it. If that doesn't make you sick then you either A) really don't understand the big picture here or B) are an immoral human being who doesn't care who has to die for your bosses to make a buck.
Point and they kill without questioning why. Yeah, real noble profession.

test, just the fact that I'm the opposite of you fills me with a boundless joy you'll never truly comprehend. Now, don't you have some minorities to exploit? Go away.

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32. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 02:53 test
 
dont get down on him this is what his "higher education has taught him that his is better than everyone else and to regard anyone who has a differing opinion as wrong. Thank the modern liberal college system for that and pity him.

 
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31. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 02:27 Scottish Martial Arts
 
Okay Halsy I made my peace with you. Maybe you could understand that that was a post made out of rage. Your response now has me seething at the edges. You won't accept what I have to say and your going to stay locked in your opinion.

Jesus fucking christ, I am literally shaking I am so infuriated.

You don't know who I am and I don't know who you are. I made some very big presumptions about you that I regret making. I hope you can recognize the same.

I am trying not to lash out again here but am having one hell of a time doing it. I am currently so filled with rage I cannot think of a way to articulate my opinion without resorting to personal attacks as you have just done.

You may think me unintelligent. That's your perogative. I know my own intelligence and I know I am one of the most intelligent students at one of the highest acheiving High Schools in the state of California.

Your right for the most part I am uneducated. A High School Diploma isn't worth a whole lot, and that is still a school year off.

One thing I do have to say though. While you question and think, I will be thinking and acting. While you decry the governments policies, I will be given a task and I will apply my intellect and leadership abilities to it so that I accomplish my mission and bring my soldiers home. There is a reason why the military is so efficient at fighting and winning wars and thats because quick thinking, intelligent men, who act with initiative, lead it. If you become the creator of policy as you say you will, I have my own doubts, hopefully you will task me and my men with a mission that will make a difference. Ultimately my job will be the one that makes the difference.

Good Night Halsy, hopefully I can wake up tomorrow and we will have settled this. If not I won't respond.

edit: spelling and grammar

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30. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 02:15 Scottish Martial Arts
 
On topic I really like AA. One of the most realistic and exhilarating depictions of Infantry combat yet on the computer. It isn't for most people but if you like tactical games that require *gasp* sound tactics such as fire and maneuver, you might really enjoy it.

 
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29. Re: did you hear? Aug 6, 2003, 02:14 Halsy
 
Halsy I want to apologize for that outburst I was out of line in my response.

It was and I accept.

I've never really agreed with your political views but I've just brushed it off as a difference of opinions.

Why not? People are made up of many brush strokes. I may be social-democratic in nature, but I'm not a total hippy. Hell, I believe in the death penalty.

My father was a soldier for twenty years, and my earliest memories have been of life on Army Posts.

I figured it was you or someone close to you.

While it may not be true it has always seemed to me that the Army is full of better people than what you find in civilian life.

How do you figure that? In my opinion they're little better than animals. Someone points and says 'kill' and they go and do it without thought of the moral implications or repercussions of those actions.

History is chockfull of just that sort of evidence, so regardless of your view of your father, a fact is a fact. That isn't to say your father or most soldiers are "bad" men. Merely that if they were truly "good" men they wouldn't be soldiers.

The excuse "I was just doing my duty" doesn't cut it. They have choices, same as you and I. That isn't to say there also isn't a need to defend oneself life, liberty and property from time to time either. Most of the time-and particularly with the history of the US military and those who control them-it isn't about that at all. Not in the least. Study more history, and again, you'll see that born out as true.

The friendliness and general "goodness" of soldiers has exceeded that of many civilians I have known.

That's because that sort of camraderie is all part of the mental conditioning process. They need to be able to rely on each other in weird and stressful times, and they're consistently around each other at work and play. That just doesn't happen in civilian life so the result is obviously not the same.

I've applied to West Point and the application has gradually picked up steam this summer.

Best of luck to you. Officers are a very different breed from the average joe that walks into the recruitment center on the street. And for the record, yes, I could have made and graduated West Point if I was so inclined. I had the brains, marks and physical ability (varsity rugby, football and volleyball here).

To say that the army is composed of "bottom-feeders" is such complete and utter bull shit even you should be able to see that now.

Again that was in reference to most of the drones that the military is chockfull of, or are you trying to tell me that scrubbing toilets on Navy destroyer takes some special ability I'm unaware of? And I'm certain that even you can see that now.

I wish you well Halsy but I do have to wonder what use you put your Political Science (a major I'm considering, that or History) Degree to besides posting on Internet Message Boards.

Policy analysis and advisment to be precise. It translates into looking at what's going on in the world, collecting current and historical opinion, filter it, write it down, give it the people in charge to make decisions based on those opinions.

Talking shop online with people isn't any different than talking shop with people you meet in a bar. It's what like-minded people do to pass the time. If I can educate a few people along the way...bonus. Believe me, it's not easy knowing everything I know and see people argue about issues that really have nothing to with what they think they're discussing and/or conjecture on subjects they clearly know nothing about.
It's refreshing when you meet other similarly educated people, or at least people who have a fucking clue what they're talking about even if we don't see eye to eye.
You'd be surprised at how many people who don't.

History is probably the ideal degree for an officer. Poly-sci will certainly give you a much broader understanding of the world around you and it's history. I don't see it really being much use to an officer-particularly if they consider themselves moral. All it'll do is confuse them with their duty, because they'll soon to come to realize that a lot of their duty is about exploiting and killing those very same people they're learning about.

If you really want to get good view of the big picture, poly sci is definitely the way to go. You can always blow off the military and join a think tank or the government as a policy analyst.

Myself, I'm actually moving into law (Juris Doctorate). Helping to write them or fight them I'm still not certain, but law is about the only thing left that can still affect real change in the world today.

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28. Wasteful installer Aug 6, 2003, 02:13 dubfanatic
 
I just installed it... I am amazed at how wasteful the installer is. First it unzips everything thru Winzip Self-Extractor... there's about 1.2 GB of used space (the SFX file is 600 MB). Then it COPIES everything from the temp directory to the final directory! That's almost 2 GB of space wasted to install a 700-800 MB game! Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and come from the days were conserving precious memory and disk space was imperative... oh well.

 
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