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8. Race - I'm sorry, but Heston's comment that we have more violence in this country because of our mixed ethnicity sounds incredibly racist. He simply bonered that comment. If he's playing the "puttering old man" routine now, he shouldn't have given the interview.
I liked Bowling for Columbine. It was made to lead your opinon towards certain conclusions, and it was particularly provocative when your own opinions didn't agree with the film's. I was always under the impressions that documentaries, by definition, were objective, so I do not consider Moore's film a documentary.
As for Charlton Heston's personal interviews, I thought that was an underhanded and very lame tactic. Just watching what Moore put on screen was painful--Heston's obviously just an old man putting out the company line these days. Heston went into the interview thinking that it'd be more of the same from an NRA member, certainly not expecting to be attacked, and I'm sure he wasn't prepared to debate any issues--especially issues he didn't even know about beforehand!
So what we have in the film is an old Charlton Heston who is caught off guard, who clearly is not prepared for any conversation other than delivering the standard NRA speech. On top of that, he's clearly old, and he seems to have trouble thinking fast. Michael Moore uses Heston's slowness and unpreparedness to make Heston seem like a racist fool to anyone who wants to be taken in by Moore's propaganda.
I, on the other hand, took Heston's comment not as a comment from a racist old man, but as a comment concerning inevitabilities stemming from racial inequality of the past. He seemed to be saying that we have violence in this country because of racial hostility. To me, he did not seem to say that people of different ethnicities cannot live together, as I guess other people took his comment. But alas, Heston could not explain himself in Michael Moore's time frame, so we ended up with a racist sound byte.
It's not really fair to say that if Heston is playing the "'puttering old man' routine now, he shouldn't have givent the interview". He gave the interview under false pretenses--and without preparation! That's not fair for anyone, and certainly not for an older Charlton Heston who seems to have trouble thinking on his toes.
Anyway, Soylent Green is people. People!
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