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Re: Bottom Line |
Aug 26, 2002, 10:23 |
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Considering the fact that 99% of music CD's are just fluff/crap that is stuffed on there and then sold for $19.99 for 1 decent song is criminal in and of itself. I haven't bought a music CD since 1994 just because they're mostly a waste of money and space now. If the record companies would come up with a good method to buy high quality MP3's from them for $1-2, then I'd do it in a heartbeat and forget about hunting for free MP3's.
Also, the fact that they make CD's (or attempt to make them) so that you can't play them in a computer or make MP3's, etc. really ticks me off. If I owned some CD's and wanted to make a compilation CD from different songs, I don't think that should be prevented. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater in this case. It punishes all the mainstream listeners just because a small % is stealing music.
Shrugging, scratching his arse, not having wasted all of my money on music CD's,
KaRR
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Re: Bottom Line |
Aug 26, 2002, 08:36 |
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Well, if people wouldn't pirate to begin with...
I couldn't agree more here. It'd be nice if there was no war, pestilence, etc.
On a more serious note, I think a lot of these arguments fall apart with the "We shouldn't try to prevent something if we can't completely stop it" level. Apply this to a number of different things and it doesn't make sense.
Unfortunately thats reality. It would be nice to find something that would be transparent to the paying customers and a brick wall to the thieves. Won't happen.
I believe that these industries should be looking at their business model/pricing structure as a way to reduce theivery and increase sales volume. Lower prices would equal more sales and less piracy. The key is to lower the price to the point where you still make money and the casual thief says "It's easier for me to buy it than steal it." You'll never get rid of the hard core pirates. You can only try to turn the people that steal because the time it takes to steal it is cheaper than the $ to buy.
I worked in retail for a number of years. Shrink was an accepted fact of life. You just tried to minimize it. Sad but True.
Ok, I'm rambling here...
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Re: Bottom Line |
Aug 26, 2002, 05:24 |
Ray Marden |
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S2S, TPFKA 
Well, if people wouldn't pirate to begin with... 
On a more serious note, I think a lot of these arguments fall apart with the "We shouldn't try to prevent something if we can't completely stop it" level. Apply this to a number of different things and it doesn't make sense.
Shrugging, having paid for all my music/software,
Ray
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Re: No subject |
Aug 25, 2002, 18:40 |
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I didn't notice a reduction in quality, other than me having to mess with the volume on both the cd player and on the computer to get it loud, but not distorted
Since you took the time to get the output levels right, your copy is probably much better than the average MP3 rip done by using an analog output. If you have a soundcard with a good signal to noise ratio for recording, then the difference might barely be noticeable.
If you want to find a quality sound card, you might want to check this site:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/summary/index.htm
Click on one of the listed cards to see a bunch of detailed results (charts and stuff) for that card.
Edit: I almost forgot, I have a CardDeluxe, a lot like the one used to test the output from the other cards listed on that site. The playback/recording quality is amazing, but overkill for most normal stuff.
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Re: No subject |
Aug 25, 2002, 18:08 |
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>>>nin: As you probably know, using a headphone out to copy music results in less quality. You can, however, get a CD player with an digital/optical digital out and hook that up to a computer soundcard. The only problem is, ofcourse, only professional level soundcards/CD players/etc. have stuff like this built in.
Actually, I didn't know that at all. I didn't notice a reduction in quality, other than me having to mess with the volume on both the cd player and on the computer to get it loud, but not distorted. (But I also have a ringing in one ear, so my hearing isn't exactly the best.) If I had a nice cd player, it would actually have an "audio out" on it.
Funny you should mention professional level soundcards...I'm looking for a non-Creative replacement for my SB Live card, as I'm sick of the fact that they now want you to order a damn cd to get all of their updates.
Thanks for the heads-up!
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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CD Copy Stopper |
Aug 25, 2002, 18:01 |
Mastaba |
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I really believe it should be illegal for any company to sell products in the US with features designed to block my right to fair use.
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Bottom Line |
Aug 25, 2002, 17:11 |
Bronco |
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People will always get past this stuff.
What it does is piss off the non-tech savy consumer that just wants his/her stuff to work. These people make up the bulk of their customer base. Piss them off and loose your whole business model.
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Re: No subject |
Aug 25, 2002, 16:41 |
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nin: As you probably know, using a headphone out to copy music results in less quality. You can, however, get a CD player with an digital/optical digital out and hook that up to a computer soundcard. The only problem is, ofcourse, only professional level soundcards/CD players/etc. have stuff like this built in.
Even with a smart card thingy inside a DVD it is still *digital* output you are getting from it, so someone can just grab the data after it is nicely decoded.
For software it might delay copying, but only for so long.
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Re: Not. Gonna. Happen. |
Aug 25, 2002, 15:29 |
tiesto81 |
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Sweet! Maybe this will be as effective as Sony's CD Copying technology that was to prevent users from burning CD's. Maybe this technology will require a blue marker being written onto the CD to bypass it.
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Re: Not. Gonna. Happen. |
Aug 25, 2002, 15:28 |
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Fatty McFatass suing McDonalds over his giant manboobs is an example)
LOL. Thats the funniest thing ive read in days. I thank you sir.
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Re: Not. Gonna. Happen. |
Aug 25, 2002, 15:03 |
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The thing everyone seems to forget about all this copyright protection crap is that the consumer is legally allowed to make a backup copy of their music or software purchase. it's in every single EULA on every game you own. Go look.
So essentially, physical copy protection is illegal, and I feel the consumers who have had problems backing up games due to safedisk or encountered a music CD which wouldn't play on their computer deserve monetary compensation from the companies who developed the protection ware, AND the companies who implemented it on their products in an illegal fashion.
In addition to above compensation, the companies would have to either exchange the copy-protected media for one without said protection, or develop a patch which would circumvent the existing copy protection on the media in question.
I've heard of lawsuits which were based on stupider bullshit than this, and which didn't have as strong a legal leg to stand on. (Fatty McFatass suing McDonalds over his giant manboobs is an example)
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No subject |
Aug 25, 2002, 13:47 |
nin |
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I travel with a 6 gig mp3 player in the car, so I always try and keep up to date on stuff like this. This particular release seemed more geared towards getting the press's attention (and therefore getting more investors for the project).
At any rate, I recently imported a cd from Belgium that wouldn't play in my cd drive (so it "couldn't" be ripped to mp3). I threw the cd in my boom-box, ran a male to male cable from the head phone jack on the box to the line in on my sound card, and hit play on the box, followed by record on the computer. Unless they start making cd players w/o headphone jacks and soundcards without line-ins, I'm not worried about music copy protection.
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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No subject |
Aug 25, 2002, 12:11 |
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When will companies learn? The copy-protection on current software/music is far more than adequate.
You can never, EVER stop people from cracking your software then posting programs to do it all over the 'net.
It has been said many times that the primary goal of most copy-protection systems is to stop 'common' piracy, in other words people just copying games for the hell of it. Almost every copy-protection system out there already does this, so give it a rest!
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Re: Not. Gonna. Happen. |
Aug 25, 2002, 06:49 |
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jup, crack the key or even completely remove this Smart Card thingy check from the software and you have your warezed copy.
When do those companies get it that cracker love to hack new protection shemes and that they want those new challenges to test their skills.
Every anti-piracy protection invented by man can also be crack by man.
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Not. Gonna. Happen. |
Aug 25, 2002, 05:17 |
PlayfulPuppy |
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This just isn't going to work.
Apparently you can still copy data off the CD, so all pirates will do is get the data and remove anything that relates to the SmartCard information.
Not to mention, apparently you can only install your CD on a specific number of computers. So does this mean if I reformat I have to get a new copy? You can fuck off, sir! There are going to be hundreds of CDs returned around the globe if this happens, none of them working.
Hell, even if they got my computers serial number, what happens if I upgrade? What happens if I change OSes? That wont work!
If we see this, it'll only be for a month or two before the companies in question go out of business.
A good idea and cool tech, but it's not gonna happen like this. Period.
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