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On Matrox Parhelia & DOOM III

As usual after the release of a major new graphics chipset, id Software lead programmer John Carmack has updated his .plan with his views on the Matrox Parhelia, commenting on its performance and the applicability of its features to their upcoming first-person shooter, DOOM III. Here is an excerpt from the full .plan:

The Matrox Parhelia Report:

The executive summary is that the Parhelia will run Doom, but it is not performance competitive with Nvidia or ATI.

Driver issue remain, so it is not perfect yet, but I am confident that Matrox will resolve them.

The performance was really disappointing for the first 256 bit DDR card. I tried to set up a "poster child" case that would stress the memory subsystem above and beyond any driver or triangle level inefficiencies, but I was unable to get it to ever approach the performance of a GF4.

The basic hardware support is good, with fragment flexibility better than GF4 (but not as good as ATI 8500), but it just doesn't keep up in raw performance. With a die shrink, this chip could probably be a contender, but there are probably going to be other chips out by then that will completely eclipse this generation of products.

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16. Re: Let's face it Jun 25, 2002, 19:54 anon@80.128
 
number 11: i hear you! and i have to admit that somehow i have to agree! there has to be some competition out there.

but how would you feel if you´d buy a matrox card because carmack praised it just a little bit like you suggested, and then at home you find out that you got a turd?

a critic like the one he just made is really a hard pill to swallow for developers. but if matrox are smart they look into it and if he´s right they get their asses up and fix things. if they don´t, then i won´t feel sorry even one second for them.
if you wanna play with the big boys you better do your homework!

again... my first reaction after reading carmacks post was that i really felt for the matrox guys and thought "couldn´t he been a little less direct ;)"? but on the other hand i know this is the only way to go. if you talk sweet then noone respects your word! EVER! you make just a clown out of yourself. and i also remember that carmack made some quite harsh comments on nvidia too in the past.

this IS the only way to make sure there will be competition out there.
 
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  1. Jun 25, 18:07 Let's face it anon@208.57
  2. Jun 25, 18:12  Re: Let's face it anon@80.3
  3. Jun 25, 18:30  Re: Let's face it anon@24.159
  4. Jun 25, 18:44   Re: Let's face it DrEvil
  5. Jun 25, 18:45   Re: Let's face it Synic
  26. Jun 25, 21:56    Re: Let's face it anon@65.24
  33. Jun 25, 23:38     Re: Let's face it Synic
  7. Jun 25, 18:55  Re: Let's face it anon@67.82
  10. Jun 25, 19:17   Re: Let's face it anon@24.201
  11. Jun 25, 19:30    Re: Let's face it Kamakiri
  14. Jun 25, 19:42     Re: Let's face it anon@66.156
>> 16. Jun 25, 19:54     Re: Let's face it anon@80.128
  17. Jun 25, 20:30     Re: Let's face it anon@12.250
  20. Jun 25, 20:45      Re: Let's face it RoughKnt
  21. Jun 25, 20:52      Re: Let's face it anon@209.81
  28. Jun 25, 22:09     Re: Let's face it nin
  29. Jun 25, 22:19     Re: Let's face it anon@216.103
  31. Jun 25, 23:12      Re: Let's face it Rolphus
  32. Jun 25, 23:25       Re: Let's face it anon@216.103
  40. Jun 26, 03:51      Re: Let's face it anon@80.129
  41. Jun 26, 06:03       Review anon@194.168
  48. Jun 26, 14:56        Re: Review anon@68.41
  12. Jun 25, 19:33    Re: Let's face it anon@66.247
  23. Jun 25, 21:26     Re: Let's face it anon@207.67
  24. Jun 25, 21:28      Re: Let's face it anon@213.208
  30. Jun 25, 22:25      hey 23 blow me anon@66.247
  6. Jun 25, 18:54 No subject anon@62.252
  8. Jun 25, 19:09  Re: No subject RoughKnt
  9. Jun 25, 19:10  Re: Nvidia-bashing Rolphus
  22. Jun 25, 21:12   Re #9 anon@142.173
  15. Jun 25, 19:43  Re: No subject anon@24.162
  13. Jun 25, 19:34 Re: Let's face it anon@209.157
  35. Jun 26, 00:03  Re: Let's face it Ray Marden
  38. Jun 26, 03:25  Re: Let's face it Golbez
  18. Jun 25, 20:38 No subject anon@193.174
  19. Jun 25, 20:40 Here's my idea of what went wrong.. anon@66.67
  25. Jun 25, 21:50 lol mac not anon@68.67
  27. Jun 25, 21:56 No subject anon@168.10
  34. Jun 25, 23:48 Random thoughts Ray Marden
  36. Jun 26, 00:33 This post. Azraelot
  37. Jun 26, 02:44 No subject anon@63.231
  39. Jun 26, 03:39 . anon@213.84
  44. Jun 26, 07:58  Re: . anon@217.7
  45. Jun 26, 11:55  Re: . anon@207.67
  46. Jun 26, 12:31   Re: . anon@213.65
  47. Jun 26, 14:01    Re: . anon@66.185
  42. Jun 26, 07:15 Carmack on Cg anon@4.41
  43. Jun 26, 07:19  Re: Carmack on Cg anon@158.64
  49. Jun 26, 15:04 No subject anon@63.231
  58. Jun 26, 21:02  Re: No subject anon@66.185
  50. Jun 26, 15:25 huh g400 was swell for me anon@207.67
  51. Jun 26, 16:21 Reply to 50 anon@195.92
  52. Jun 26, 17:42  Re: Reply to 50 anon@62.253
  53. Jun 26, 18:07   Re: Parhelia - Surround Gaming anon@207.43
  54. Jun 26, 18:20 No subject anon@63.231
  60. Jun 27, 00:03  Re: No subject anon@203.87
  67. Jun 27, 07:49   Re: No subject anon@217.82
  68. Jun 27, 08:41    Don't worry anon@211.28
  55. Jun 26, 18:22 No subject anon@63.231
  56. Jun 26, 18:40  Re: No subject anon@213.1
  57. Jun 26, 20:05   Re: No subject anon@148.78
  59. Jun 26, 22:24 Way to Go Carmack anon@208.180
  61. Jun 27, 00:07  Re: Way to Go Carmack anon@203.87
  62. Jun 27, 01:39   Re: Way to Go Carmack Kamakiri
  64. Jun 27, 04:46    Re: Way to Go Carmack Anvil
  65. Jun 27, 05:57     No subject anon@62.128
  66. Jun 27, 07:13      Re: No subject anon@158.64
  69. Jun 27, 09:24  Re: Way to Go Carmack Ray Marden
  63. Jun 27, 02:52 No subject anon@63.231
  83. Jun 29, 11:11  Re: No subject anon@62.195
  70. Jun 27, 11:26 check this out anon@207.67
  71. Jun 27, 13:06  yeah, ok..... anon@63.99
  72. Jun 27, 16:05 No subject anon@63.231
  73. Jun 27, 16:48 Matrox anon@12.247
  74. Jun 27, 17:22  Re: Matrox anon@207.67
  75. Jun 27, 17:55 Radeon 9500? anon@208.180
  76. Jun 27, 23:35 No subject anon@63.231
  77. Jun 28, 01:44  Re: BITBOYS! anon@66.189
  78. Jun 28, 01:49 BIT BOYS MITäS äijjä anon@208.180
  79. Jun 28, 09:48 Carmack tells me what to do anon@206.252
  81. Jun 28, 10:55  Re: Carmack tells me what to do anon@63.99
  80. Jun 28, 09:56 ahhahaha anon@193.167
  82. Jun 28, 11:25 No subject anon@206.252
  93. Jul 1, 14:53  Re: No subject anon@209.98
  84. Jun 29, 16:01 No subject anon@195.92
  94. Jul 2, 00:21  Re: No subject Scheherazade
  85. Jun 29, 22:18 GF4 anon@213.225
  86. Jun 29, 23:14 EA's Bond Game government cheese
  87. Jun 30, 07:26  Re: EA's Bond Game Ray Marden
  88. Jun 30, 11:53 No subject teh mane mahn
  89. Jul 1, 03:54  Re: No subject anon@24.76
  90. Jul 1, 07:19   John Carmack's Fans anon@66.32
  91. Jul 1, 11:53    Re: John Carmack's Fans anon@213.112
  92. Jul 1, 14:49     Re: John Carmack's Fans anon@209.98
  98. Jul 5, 04:22   Re: No subject Ray Marden
  95. Jul 2, 14:07 No subject anon@206.252
  96. Jul 2, 19:00 Matrox ... anon@144.118
  97. Jul 2, 21:38  Re: Matrox ... anon@209.98


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