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Re: UT2003 .. a mod outlet |
Jun 14, 2002, 06:50 |
Morgan de Jonge |
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I agree, Tony.
Many of the games that are released nowadays are alot like other games in the field, for multiple reasons. One being that launching an innovative, new game with not before seen gameplay is very risky in this business. Mostly because they are too hard to plug with the nation-wide store chains who decide which product gets on the shelves (about 80% of the sales go through these stores). They want something that they are sure off will sell. Mod groups are able to try out more original ideas because this risk doesn't apply to them. We all know that mods are responsible for a longer lifespan of games like Half-Life, UT and Quake 3. But if not many people will buy a game just for the mods that will be released for it at a later time.
Commercial games must sell alot in 6 weeks. If they don't sell enough copies then they are taken of the shelves and replaced with new titles. Not many people will buy a game because there might / will be cool mods for it later. The original game has to be good in order to get a large player base and with that people who will make mods or TCs for them.
Games like Q3A, UT(2003), No One Lives Forever and Doom3 are in a somewhat unusual situation: They are not just a game but also a demonstration of what the engine is capable off. Some people claim that companies like ID don't make games but the game technoligy. The game is just a marketing tool. In a sense this is true, because in ID's case, their turnover consists more of engine licencing than selling games. I'm not sure if this is also the case with Epic, but they sure are on their way to that. This is a good thing because it allows other companies to have both good gameplay and a good engine, like Warren Spector's Deus Ex (2). As long as the companies like Monolith, ID and Epic continue to make good games to market these engines, it's all the better.
Personally I hope that this stays like this and that they keep focussing on making both good engines and games. I loved UT and expect great things off UT2003. With Croteam's Serious Engine (from Serious Sam) I think that they focussed too much on building the engine and too little on making a great game.
The fact that mod groups often bring more original game concepts is only good IMO. To me it's a bit like a sandbox where new ideas can be tried out. And if a mod is really succesful the base of a new game or even genre.
Digital Extremes and Epic are one of the lucky few in this business that are building a game that they know will sell good. Much like companies like Blizzard Entertainment. This allows them to try out relative innovative idead like domination and assault in UT and Bombing run in UT2003. If Epic plans to utilize this franchise with releasing one UT game every year, like the various EA Sports titles, I hope that they keep doing this.
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Jun 7, 16:02 |
No subject |
anon@209.83 |
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2. |
Jun 7, 16:03 |
Woah Nelly! |
anon@209.90 |
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4. |
Jun 7, 16:09 |
Re: Woah Nelly! |
Blue |
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5. |
Jun 7, 16:13 |
Re: Woah Nelly! |
anon@68.96 |
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6. |
Jun 7, 16:22 |
Re: Woah Nelly! |
Morgan19 |
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3. |
Jun 7, 16:08 |
No subject |
Sho |
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7. |
Jun 7, 16:28 |
I dont understand... |
anon@207.67 |
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Jun 7, 16:32 |
Re: I dont understand... |
anon@66.185 |
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10. |
Jun 7, 16:35 |
Re: I dont understand... |
Frijoles |
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Jun 7, 16:42 |
Re: I dont understand... |
anon@68.41 |
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8. |
Jun 7, 16:29 |
UT 2003 |
anon@216.221 |
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12. |
Jun 7, 16:42 |
Re: UT 2003 |
anon@24.188 |
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11. |
Jun 7, 16:41 |
God, shut up about Doom 3 |
anon@24.188 |
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15. |
Jun 7, 16:49 |
Re: God, shut up about Doom 3 |
=HELLION= |
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Jun 7, 16:44 |
well something to kill time at least |
=HELLION= |
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16. |
Jun 7, 16:49 |
Re: main menu (#14) |
Morgan19 |
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17. |
Jun 7, 16:51 |
Re: main menu (#14) |
=HELLION= |
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20. |
Jun 7, 17:16 |
Re: main menu (#14) |
anon@217.80 |
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18. |
Jun 7, 16:51 |
Rumor control begins in the home |
Phayyde |
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19. |
Jun 7, 17:04 |
No subject |
anon@12.8 |
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21. |
Jun 7, 17:16 |
UT beats DNF to market |
anon@66.126 |
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22. |
Jun 7, 17:19 |
i agree with #18 |
=HELLION= |
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23. |
Jun 7, 17:27 |
#20 |
=HELLION= |
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24. |
Jun 7, 17:33 |
re : 21 |
=HELLION= |
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26. |
Jun 7, 17:56 |
Re: re : 21 |
anon@208.203 |
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27. |
Jun 7, 18:01 |
re: Re: re : 21 |
Phayyde |
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30. |
Jun 7, 18:06 |
Re: re: Re: re : 21 |
Cicatrix |
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33. |
Jun 7, 18:18 |
whee!: Re: re: Re: re : 21 |
Phayyde |
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37. |
Jun 7, 18:54 |
Re: |
Roundhouse |
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28. |
Jun 7, 18:02 |
Re: re : 21 |
anon@66.126 |
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29. |
Jun 7, 18:05 |
Re: re : 21 |
anon@208.203 |
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32. |
Jun 7, 18:13 |
Re: re : 21 |
EnsignRedshirt |
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41. |
Jun 7, 19:44 |
Re: re : 21 |
anon@198.142 |
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45. |
Jun 7, 20:28 |
Re: re : 21 |
Tony!!! |
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44. |
Jun 7, 20:00 |
Re: re : 21 |
theyarecomingforyou |
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25. |
Jun 7, 17:56 |
No subject |
anon@216.77 |
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31. |
Jun 7, 18:07 |
Re: No subject |
primemover |
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34. |
Jun 7, 18:19 |
No subject |
Pete |
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35. |
Jun 7, 18:49 |
Re: No subject |
anon@208.203 |
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36. |
Jun 7, 18:52 |
Re: No subject |
anon@208.203 |
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39. |
Jun 7, 19:18 |
Quake 3 kiddies |
anon@208.57 |
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40. |
Jun 7, 19:25 |
Re: Quake 3 kiddies |
Tony!!! |
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42. |
Jun 7, 19:46 |
Re: Quake 3 kiddies |
anon@68.53 |
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38. |
Jun 7, 19:18 |
No subject |
Sho |
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43. |
Jun 7, 19:49 |
Best of both |
Yosemite_SLAM |
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46. |
Jun 7, 20:37 |
noooooooooooooo |
jm0ris0n |
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Jun 8, 06:52 |
Re: noooooooooooooo |
anon@65.93 |
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65. |
Jun 8, 07:51 |
Re: noooooooooooooo |
anon@213.65 |
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47. |
Jun 7, 20:58 |
No subject |
teh mane mahn |
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48. |
Jun 7, 20:58 |
No subject |
anon@210.49 |
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49. |
Jun 7, 21:11 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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50. |
Jun 7, 21:23 |
No subject |
anon@68.33 |
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51. |
Jun 7, 21:27 |
No subject |
anon@24.188 |
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Jun 7, 21:42 |
Re: No subject |
anon@199.174 |
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53. |
Jun 7, 21:50 |
Re: No subject |
anon@24.200 |
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54. |
Jun 7, 22:42 |
hrm |
anon@66.66 |
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55. |
Jun 7, 22:42 |
Re: No subject |
anon@148.78 |
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Jun 8, 01:23 |
Re: No subject |
anon@67.33 |
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Jun 9, 01:16 |
Re: No subject |
anon@148.78 |
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57. |
Jun 8, 01:37 |
Re: No subject |
Stolk |
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58. |
Jun 8, 02:12 |
bah |
Frijoles |
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61. |
Jun 8, 03:54 |
Re: bah |
anon@67.34 |
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Jun 8, 02:57 |
No subject |
anon@210.49 |
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60. |
Jun 8, 03:36 |
Re: No subject |
anon@66.69 |
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62. |
Jun 8, 04:04 |
No subject |
teh mane mahn |
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63. |
Jun 8, 04:52 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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66. |
Jun 8, 08:02 |
physics and what not |
d-mAn |
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68. |
Jun 8, 08:49 |
Re: physics and what not |
Yosemite_SLAM |
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71. |
Jun 8, 10:49 |
Re: physics and what not |
Tony!!! |
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72. |
Jun 8, 10:52 |
Re: physics and what not |
Tony!!! |
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67. |
Jun 8, 08:46 |
Quit watching the water boil |
Yosemite_SLAM |
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69. |
Jun 8, 08:49 |
Shortly after E3 |
anon@129.240 |
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70. |
Jun 8, 08:50 |
No subject |
anon@217.228 |
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Jun 8, 12:10 |
No subject |
teh mane mahn |
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Jun 9, 16:55 |
Re: No subject |
anon@24.76 |
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87. |
Jun 9, 22:56 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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Jun 10, 14:24 |
Re: No subject |
anon@66.185 |
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Jun 8, 12:24 |
No subject |
teh mane mahn |
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76. |
Jun 8, 12:41 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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77. |
Jun 8, 12:44 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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78. |
Jun 8, 12:53 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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80. |
Jun 8, 15:53 |
Re: No subject |
anon@68.98 |
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Jun 9, 01:53 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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83. |
Jun 9, 04:15 |
No subject |
anon@210.50 |
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Jun 10, 17:09 |
Re: No subject |
anon@68.98 |
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96. |
Jun 10, 19:18 |
Re: No subject |
Roundhouse |
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99. |
Jun 10, 21:49 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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103. |
Jun 10, 23:07 |
Re: No subject |
anon@68.98 |
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104. |
Jun 11, 00:46 |
FIRST HAND PLAYED THE LEAKED DEMO |
Roundhouse |
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Jun 11, 15:03 |
Re: FIRST HAND PLAYED THE LEAKED DEMO |
Fillem |
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110. |
Jun 11, 15:07 |
Re: FIRST HAND PLAYED THE LEAKED DEMO |
anon@208.236 |
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Jun 11, 15:54 |
Re: FIRST HAND PLAYED THE LEAKED DEMO |
Roundhouse |
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115. |
Jun 11, 18:32 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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118. |
Jun 11, 19:56 |
Re: No subject |
anon@68.98 |
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119. |
Jun 11, 22:51 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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125. |
Jun 12, 13:39 |
Re: No subject |
anon@129.219 |
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127. |
Jun 12, 14:04 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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128. |
Jun 12, 14:19 |
Re: No subject |
anon@129.219 |
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134. |
Jun 13, 08:19 |
Re: No subject |
anon@203.10 |
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135. |
Jun 13, 11:36 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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120. |
Jun 12, 08:40 |
Re: No subject |
anon@24.196 |
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Jun 12, 08:49 |
Re: No subject |
anon@24.196 |
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122. |
Jun 12, 09:46 |
Re: No subject |
anon@80.3 |
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126. |
Jun 12, 14:01 |
Re: No subject |
anon@194.117 |
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Jun 8, 12:38 |
Games in general |
Fee |
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79. |
Jun 8, 13:40 |
No subject |
teh mane mahn |
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84. |
Jun 9, 11:52 |
Engines engines engines... |
anon@24.229 |
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85. |
Jun 9, 13:36 |
Unreal warfare |
anon@131.164 |
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106. |
Jun 11, 10:08 |
Re: Unreal warfare |
anon@209.98 |
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88. |
Jun 9, 23:06 |
I like cheese. |
thwart |
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89. |
Jun 10, 01:26 |
No subject |
teh mane mahn |
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90. |
Jun 10, 12:11 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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91. |
Jun 10, 14:10 |
My hovercraft is full of eels |
anon@209.83 |
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93. |
Jun 10, 16:06 |
Re: My hovercraft is full of eels |
anon@209.83 |
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94. |
Jun 10, 16:06 |
Re: My hovercraft is full of eels |
anon@209.83 |
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100. |
Jun 10, 21:52 |
Re: My hovercraft is full of eels |
Tony!!! |
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101. |
Jun 10, 23:03 |
LEAKED UT2003 demo |
Roundhouse |
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102. |
Jun 10, 23:04 |
Re: No subject |
anon@24.76 |
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Jun 12, 17:35 |
Re: No subject |
anon@208.35 |
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132. |
Jun 12, 21:41 |
Re: No subject |
Tony!!! |
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97. |
Jun 10, 20:55 |
is it red or blue? |
anon@66.183 |
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98. |
Jun 10, 21:33 |
Goats |
anon@205.188 |
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105. |
Jun 11, 07:36 |
much ado about nothing.... |
CyberNutz |
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Jun 14, 02:58 |
Re: much ado about nothing.... |
anon@207.12 |
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148. |
Jun 14, 03:54 |
Re: much ado about nothing.... |
anon@24.201 |
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107. |
Jun 11, 14:06 |
to 103, fuckwit |
anon@217.8 |
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108. |
Jun 11, 14:30 |
demo out. |
anon@64.122 |
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112. |
Jun 11, 16:25 |
Yup FYAITM!!! |
anon@66.43 |
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113. |
Jun 11, 17:58 |
leaked ut2k3 |
anon@12.247 |
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114. |
Jun 11, 18:02 |
No subject |
Xombie |
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116. |
Jun 11, 18:50 |
No subject |
anon@162.83 |
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117. |
Jun 11, 18:57 |
Re: No subject |
Xombie |
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123. |
Jun 12, 11:16 |
Re: - |
anon@63.99 |
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124. |
Jun 12, 12:27 |
Re: - |
Tony!!! |
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129. |
Jun 12, 15:34 |
wow |
anon@63.99 |
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131. |
Jun 12, 19:50 |
No subject |
anon@63.231 |
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133. |
Jun 12, 23:09 |
Arguing |
TickleMyElmo |
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137. |
Jun 13, 17:20 |
Re: Arguing |
anon@66.61 |
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138. |
Jun 13, 19:41 |
Re: Arguing |
anon@66.183 |
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139. |
Jun 13, 19:45 |
Re: Arguing |
anon@66.183 |
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136. |
Jun 13, 15:11 |
Invert mouse, increase resolution/detail |
anon@216.28 |
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140. |
Jun 13, 23:49 |
No subject |
anon@148.64 |
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141. |
Jun 13, 23:52 |
UT2003 .. a mod outlet |
anon@24.201 |
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143. |
Jun 14, 00:54 |
Re: UT2003 .. a mod outlet |
Tony!!! |
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149. |
Jun 14, 06:50 |
Re: UT2003 .. a mod outlet |
Morgan de Jonge |
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151. |
Jun 14, 10:09 |
Re: UT2003 .. a mod outlet |
anon@148.64 |
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163. |
Jun 14, 20:30 |
Re: UT2003 .. a mod outlet |
anon@66.32 |
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Jun 14, 00:00 |
Adding to post 141 |
anon@24.201 |
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Jun 14, 11:06 |
Re: Adding to post 141 |
anon@209.98 |
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144. |
Jun 14, 01:38 |
Tony |
anon@24.201 |
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145. |
Jun 14, 02:24 |
Re: Tony |
anon@66.183 |
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147. |
Jun 14, 03:43 |
Re: Tony |
anon@24.201 |
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152. |
Jun 14, 10:41 |
Re: Tony |
anon@209.98 |
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153. |
Jun 14, 10:44 |
Re: Tony |
anon@209.98 |
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154. |
Jun 14, 10:44 |
Re: Tony |
anon@209.98 |
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155. |
Jun 14, 10:47 |
Re: Tony |
anon@209.98 |
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157. |
Jun 14, 15:52 |
Re: Tony |
anon@204.118 |
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Jun 14, 17:50 |
Re: Tony |
Tony!!! |
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Jun 14, 18:20 |
Re: Tony |
anon@194.82 |
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162. |
Jun 14, 19:59 |
Re: Tony |
anon@66.32 |
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150. |
Jun 14, 09:33 |
uuh |
anon@63.99 |
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158. |
Jun 14, 16:03 |
No subject |
anon@141.153 |
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Jun 14, 17:08 |
Re: No subject |
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