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Ocean's Eleven 2 |
Jun 3, 2002, 17:37 |
smikwily |
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Oh yeah? It gets worse...
From Dark Horizons, May 17 2002 - Rumor area:
Ocean's Eleven 2: Matt Damon apparently indicated to Sky News that not only had he signed but shooting could happen as early as the end of this year.
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/020517.htm)
Yep. How about another one...
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Re: Remakes |
Jun 3, 2002, 09:34 |
Spab |
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#26, yes the apes were better, they looked amazing, Tim Roth's makeup was the best, and the sets were more... EXPENSIVE. The movie had a huge budget, of course it looked good, aside from being made 30 years later.
But it lacked the original's character, narrative structure, polemic and attitude.
It was a straight-up dumb action film with a weak lead. Sure there are lot's of other crummy actors in films today, there are also some good ones. No not the Rock, I mean Russell Crowe, Denzel (yes), Guy Pearce etc. Marky Mark is not necessary, we can do without him.
On its own the movie would have been an entertaining crap film. Like The 6th Day, or Robocop II. As it is, it's an entertaining crap remake. Worth 2 hrs of your time if you're bored. But the original was better by the standards that matter.
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Re: I think that it's easy... |
Jun 3, 2002, 08:53 |
anon@67.250 |
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| #25, It was originally a book by Pierre Boulle. The original movie of PotA was quite a bit different than even the novel, and then it spawned several different offshoots (Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Return to...and so on). The remake of the original movie was obviously different than the Heston variation, but just as good, in my oppinion. I think that most people will disagree with this because they already have the original in mind and won't want to think about the idea of what would have happened if the remake was the original instead...who knows? |
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Re: Remakes |
Jun 3, 2002, 05:57 |
IAM->TheDoctor |
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It's always good to see people bending to public view...
I thought the ape acting FAR superior in the PotA remake, Tim Roth was no less than astounding in his role. And let's face it, Estella Warren is a fair sight (that could be a sentence by itself) more presentable as the "Babe in Distress".
You can't even touch the costuming or the makeup. And Roddy? He made such a wimpy chimpy.
The (original) overall set seemed darker and more frightening. O.K. So Mark Wahlberg is more PeeWee than Heston. So the **** what. Just who would have made you happy in that role, Denzel/Arnold (I'll be back)/Danny Divito/The Rock???
There should be a moment of silence...thanks.
Give me a break...I don't believe that there will be another Chuck Heston/Steve McQueen/Steve Martin/Edward G. Robinson/Jimmy Stewart/Bill Cosby/Boris Karloff/Humphrey Bogart/Lon Chaney, Jr.(or Sr)./Tony Randal/David Niven/Gene Wilder/Orson Wells/Harrison Ford/Peter Sellers/George C. Scott/Alan Alda/Katharin Hepburn/Betty Davis/Jack Nickelson/Jack Klugman...(The list goes on...) that could take the place of the original - in a remake.
Music? Very little "good" new music today, IMHO, - of course they HAVE to do covers to attract the older crowds. Black Crows are a natural here.
Oh, my...I've run out of time.
I think the movie would have stood on it's own - had it not been a remake!
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I think that it's easy... |
Jun 3, 2002, 04:40 |
Ray Marden |
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...to pick on remakes at times (I do believe the original PotA was better than the current version), but I am all for them. Even if they often falter, I am glad that any number of movie series or sequels have been made. Likewise, you have to ask how many movies are "original" to begin with. Was it a book beforehand? A foreign film? A long-forgotten classic? A play? A mix of various other films? More often than not, it's the small details that really make a movie "great" or "crap," regardless of whether they are "new" or a "remake."
Many times a movie or idea may be "good," but you do not have the money, technology, and/or awareness to fully realize its potential. I don't even know how many times I have watched a "new" movie only to find out that it is based on a previous version, a version that I believe to be weaker.
Finally, you do have to make sure that we creat more than just remakes, that kills off the ever elusive originality, but I would not dismiss remakes outright.
Pointing at our industry, smirking :),
Ray
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Re: WORLD CUP 2002 |
Jun 2, 2002, 23:24 |
anon@63.224 |
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Good luck on U.S. team, first game tommorow....... I take it you have some time machine and are posting from the future. The US doesn't play until Wednesday. |
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Oh.... |
Jun 2, 2002, 21:49 |
theAntiELVIS |
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...where did 6 through 12 go?
-tAE-
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On Burton's "PotA" |
Jun 2, 2002, 21:46 |
theAntiELVIS |
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"Damn him - damn him to Hell!"
-tAE-
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Re: Remakes |
Jun 2, 2002, 21:35 |
JediLuke |
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Heh, I was in a production of that musical... : :-shudder-: :
~Jedi
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Re: Remakes |
Jun 2, 2002, 21:00 |
Bagpuss |
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It was also great fun. Steve Martin is a joy will Bill Murray as his patient who is even more insane.
And the plant is just flat out funny.
- Bagpuss
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Get your own free messageboard today (just like this one!) |
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Re: Remakes... |
Jun 2, 2002, 19:39 |
anon@24.44 |
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| #13 agreed. I have seen both versions of the thing and read the short story. Carpenters was the best and proves (along with the fly) that good remakes can be done). I just wish they would stop messing with classics example, psycho. |
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Re: Remakes |
Jun 2, 2002, 18:35 |
Borzoi |
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The musical version of Little Shop of Horrors was originally a campy stage musical that was a pretty healthy off-broadway success- so it wasn't that huge a pitch.
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Re: But.... |
Jun 2, 2002, 17:52 |
theyarecomingforyou |
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Ocean's 11 is the only remake I can think of that my Mom liked better than the original. She's an old movie buff.
That was one of the few movies that I've gone to see in the cinema recently and I thought that it was really quite good. Very funny and with a lovely twist at the end (it was also well made and the characters worked well together), but it did seem a bit deja vu - I guess I must have seen the original without realising it. *shrugs*
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Re: But.... |
Jun 2, 2002, 17:40 |
anon@24.29 |
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I loved the Thing remake, but at the time it was widely blasted as total garbage. I still can't figure out what they were bitching about. Maybe it was too gory for the time, dunno.
Ocean's 11 is the only remake I can think of that my Mom liked better than the original. She's an old movie buff. |
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But.... |
Jun 2, 2002, 17:04 |
theyarecomingforyou |
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unlike cover songs, where the idea can at least occasionally be to remake something obscure or stinky, movie remakes are usually something that succeeded so well the first time, there is nowhere to go but down when revisiting it.
But with films technology improves and filming is now drammatically better, whereas technology DOESN'T improve old songs. Crap bands like Steps [UK] and manufactured 'artists' like Will Young [UK Pop Idol] can make money from releasing attrocious versions of reasonable songs that sell only due to hype.
Cover films can be so much better... but it's still no excuse for not coming up with something original.
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WORLD CUP 2002 |
Jun 2, 2002, 16:31 |
anon@212.144 |
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No word on World Cup 2002?
It is watched by 2.5 BILLION PEOPLE! No show or media event worldwide is watched by so many people...
Good luck on U.S. team, first game tommorow....... |
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Remakes... |
Jun 2, 2002, 16:18 |
Reverend Raven |
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For the most part, remakes of earlier movies are radically different from the originals, but I think that's the point.
IAAFS (I Am A Film Student) and my perception of remakes is that it's taking a film (usually a notable period piece) and reworking it to fit into contemporary standards. This leads to changes in how the films worked and usually they either (a): Fall apart due to changes to make the piece modern while still trying to retain the "originality" of the first film or (2): end up removing all the classic elements of the first film are stripped away and you're left with barebones essentials (title, basic plot), as in the case of Planet of the Apes. From what I can tell, the best remake of a film was the 1990 Night of the Living Dead (I wouldn't classify Evil Dead 2 as a straightup remake). And Carpenter's remake of The Thing was quite lovely, if memory serves.
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Cover songs |
Jun 2, 2002, 15:21 |
anon@24.95 |
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| Most cover songs actually aren't trying to reproduce the original, they are really subverting the old one, at least in most cases. Lots of bands cover old 80's songs, maybe for some nostalgia but also because it makes us laugh. Movies are trying to be like the original but better, and it doesn't work. |
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Remakes |
Jun 2, 2002, 15:18 |
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One of the most interesting remakes would have to be the musical remake of "Little Shop of Horrors".
The original (only saving value being the introduction of Jack Nickelson as sado-masochistic dental patient)was shot in a weekend on B&W.
The remake, a high-budget musical with Levi Stubbs (Four Topps), Rick Moranis (of Bob and Doug's "Strange Brew" Fame.... oh yeah... and SCTV and .... "honey I shrunk the ______"..BLEAH) and Steve Martin (the Jerk). Which featured an Ultra animated plant and a happy ending (I still want to see the Apocolyptic "end of the world" ending, that they spent a hundred thou on and left on the cutting room floor!)
The sheer balls of that remake (think how hard it would be to pitch this mutha to a producer!) make "Planet of the Apes" look like a carbon copy....
and above all, the only 2 lines that were worth anything in the original "Planet" script were edited out with the remake..... Where's the suprise of "You damn dirty Ape" if he can friggin talk anyways, and where's the "You blew it up!! DAMN YOU!" ...
Hell.. Space Balls was made from just that quote....(okay, that and starwars). |
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POTA Remake |
Jun 2, 2002, 15:17 |
anon@65.48 |
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The original Planet Of The Apes was a story about hubris: man is his own worst enemy.
The Burton movie has revealed that, in fact, apes are man's worst enemy, and not man himself, as we had previously thought.
What a farce. |
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