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More on the WTC Disaster (Updated)

Of course this is not game related (we do not expect to be doing any further game coverage today), but with the legit news sites being almost impossible to access at times today, we've been getting loads of requests for more information about what's been going on. Here is the latest as of about 9:00 PM EDT:

  • President Bush addressed the nation 8:30 PM EDT. Here's a wire report: WASHINGTON (AP) - A grim-faced President Bush condemned ghastly attacks in Washington and New York on Tuesday and vowed to "find those responsible and bring them to justice." In the second Oval Office address of his presidency, Bush said the United States would retaliate against ``those behind these evil acts,'' and any country that harbors them.

To recap:

  • In two separate attacks, hijacked planes struck both main towers of the World Trade Center in Manhattan this morning, and both of the "twin towers" subsequently collapsed.
  • A hijacked plane struck the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. and part of it has collapsed as well.
  • A hijacked plane crashed in western Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh. Reports indicate the hijackers planned to crash this plane into Camp David in Maryland.
  • 47 Story WTC building seven, one of the five (relatively) smaller buildings in the World Trade Center also later collapsed from ancillary damage.
  • The White House, the Pentagon, and the Capitol Building were all evacuated, all domestic flights in the US have been grounded through at least noon tomorrow.
  • Other closings include most federal offices, the stock markets, the Disney theme parks, and the cancellation of today's Major League Baseball schedule. The President's speech announced that all federal agencies will be open for business tomorrow.
  • Broadcasts out of Afghanistan showed evidence of missile attacks and antiaircraft fire, but what connection this has to today's apparent terrorist attacks in the US is not clear at this point. The US has denied involvement in these attacks.
  • In the first hints of any sort at the scope of casualties, the New York City Fire Department has estimated that as many as half of the 400 firefighters dispatched to the scene are missing. CNN has said that 78 Police officers are missing. Also, the death toll from those on the four hijacked planes has been placed at 266. The number of dead and injured at the Pentagon has been widely reported as about 100. No estimates of the number of victims from the World Trade Center have been made.
  • People throughout the United States have are being urged to donate blood to help offset significant shortages in New York and Washington. The American Red Cross in Greater New York or the American Red Cross are places to contact about donating blood or money, or both.
  • Some news sites seem to be back online. Here are some links that have been more reliable: CNN.com; CNET.com; Yahoo; The New York Times; washingtonpost.com; usnews.com; ABCNEWS.com; FOXNews.com; MSNBC; and BBC News Online.

All of our thoughts go out to the victims of these attacks and their families and friends in what must be an incredibly difficult time.

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234. The way I see it. . . Sep 11, 2001, 18:25 anon@64.45
 
The way I see it, people celebrating this trajedy in other countries, or are protected by those countries, deserve the same swift and intense punishment as those responsible.

 
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233. Re: Afghanistan being bombed! Sep 11, 2001, 18:17 Fillem
 
Could be part of a civil war going on...

Could it be the US striking back so quickly? An ammuntion dump has been bombed.

Quiet now....

Everybody take care...

Good night.

 
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232. Bombing them back to the Stone Age Sep 11, 2001, 18:11 anon@64.1
 
Has Congress declared war? And if so, on who? The country of Afghanistan? The Taliban? That f'n "person" (I use the term loosely) Laden?  
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231. Re: the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 18:09 anon@64.91
 
The Japanese were prepared to fight to the death. They were training the civilian populations for the impending US invasion fleet. If the Emporer had not interveined the Japanese would have ceased to exist and would have been accompanied by huge US losses (550,000+) By bombing them, we saved Japan from it's own fanaticism. It was horrible but it had to be done.

Today's act of terror against the US was also feuled by fanaticism, but this time their is no easily definable enemy. With all of our military might we are helpless.

Terrorism is the perfect tactic against a vastly superior force. I never dreamed it would ever be executed on such a grand scale. I have no idea how to counter-attack an unconcentrated, dynamic, invisible enemy. I pray this is the last attack.
 
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230. Afghanistan being bombed! Sep 11, 2001, 18:06 Gojo
 
According to CNN at 18:00 (eastern) Afghanistan is currently being bombed.

Don't know by whom yet....
 
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229. From CNN: Sep 11, 2001, 18:05 Ray Marden
 
Explosions in Afghanistan...random firing...hearing planes overhead...

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228. No subject Sep 11, 2001, 18:01 anon@24.18
 
To the people wagging thier fingers at the US for using the bomb I have this. I live in a State that is the only one in the country that still celebrates Victory over Japan day. Every year a local radio station gives the vetrans of WW2 an open mike to remind us why we should keep VJ day alive. The atrocities the Japs commited absolutely pale in comparison to the use of the bomb...and no Im NOT exaggerating. The atrocities Japan commited to MILLIONS of Chinese and Korean WOMEN AND CHILDREN. War is an ugly thing and people die, not just soldiers. Decisions need to be made, Germany was almost neck and neck with the US in development of the A-bomb and it was only a matter of time before they used it on the British, French or Americans. I challenge any of the critics here to tune into WHJY in Providence RI on the web next VJ day and after listening to the Vets talk Im quite confident you'll be thinking differently.  
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227. Don't jump to conclusions. Sep 11, 2001, 17:56 anon@24.65
 
They thought the middle east was involved during early investigations into Oklohoma city was bombed and look how wrong they were?. Revenge is a desert that is only satisfying when you gain revenge against the right party  
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226. Re: the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 17:53 AstroCreep
 
#220 - Right on the money!

This comment was edited on Sep 11, 17:53.
 
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225. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 17:50 anon@24.185
 
Actually, number 182, the japanese government was not going to surrender. They were actually training civilians, women and children included, to use weapons and explosives. The Japanese were ready to fight it down to the last man. Estimated casualties for the US: over 1 million soldiers. And the civilian casualties for the japanese were well less than a million. That, in my mind, justifies the use of the Abomb

BTW, the US's navy was FAR from demolished, destroyed or what have you. The ships that sank and were injured, for the most part, were WW1-class battleships and destroyers. Our new, and more powerful part of our naval fleet was on a training run somewhere in the pacific. The japanese would have done alot more damage to the navy than they did if only they had bombed our oil reserves.

PS: People that watch the history channel a few times, read a textbook, or maybe some magazine articles, or a book (thats pushing it a bit) who post like what they say is fact and that they know history down pat are idiots. I know far from everything on history, even though ive read over 60 books on various historical eras and wars. People that think they are kings of history create an intense vaccum (suck).

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On the topic note, I pray for those that were killed, those that were injured in this "cowardly act of terrorism". I also pray for the families of all the victems.

What I think we should do is put pressure on the Taliban (the afganistan government that is letting Osama Bin Laden take refuge), and say something like "We know you are harboring Bin Laden, and we are going to bomb his base of operations and any other site we think is related to him and we think is nessessary. We will do this with or without your cooperation. If you do not cooperate, be ready to face the consequences."

And after they respond, if it is a 'fine go ahead' then we bomb Bin Laden's targets and send in a whole Delta Force platoon or company to do the BDA (battle damage assesment) and to wipe out any resisting survivors, and capture and bring back the non resisting survivors. Then (this is how I feel, although it may seem 'sick' to some of you guys n gals) we broadcast the torture of the captured terrorists on international TV and say "this is what happens to people who fuck with america". And not kill the bastards, and just let them live a life of torture, because they want to die, and that would just be fufilling their wish.

If the Taliban says no, go to war against them and bomb the shit out of them until they comply (NOT WITH NUKES THOUGH). Then go in and do what I said above to Osama Bin Laden.
 
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224. Re: the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 17:49 anon@209.218
 
Hell we even dumped tons of literature all over Hiroshima AND Nagasaki warning them of what was coming....they dismissed it. They refused to surrender....it was either another bomb, or send in the land forces which it was estimated would cost over 1 million american lives.  
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223. Re: the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 17:49 Aidan
 
That's not actually true. When we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japanese delegations were already in the process of surrendering to the United States. The sticking point was whether it was to be conditional or unconditional surrender, the sovereignity of the Emperor was actually the point of the most contention. The US figures doing the negotiation didn't realize how important this symbolic figure was, and were pushing for an unconditional surrender, while the Japanese negotiators were unable to broker any settlement that did not preserve the Emperor, though they wanted desperately to surrender.

We dropped the first bomb on Hiroshima to prove our military superiority to Japan and most importantly to the Soviet Union. They were drawing up the unconditional surrender papers when we dropped the second bomb to show the world that this wasn't a one time thing, we were prepared to use these again.

The people at the top (whether the military forces knew it or not) were well aware that Japan was ready to surrender. The nuclear weapons were used to make a political statement to the world.

There are a lot of books out there to read.

 
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222. hang on a sec Sep 11, 2001, 17:48 anon@130.195
 
whoah, in reply to post #218, the Nazi's elimination of Jews was purely to protect their jobs, their families (from ratial impurity) and their way of life.
For you to say that 'they should die', is saying you are just like the nazi's we 'saved' Europe from.
They shouldn't die, but we should be protected, if death is what comes of that, then so be it, but killing them wont solve shit, it will just spawn more violence. We aren't kids in the playground anymore. This isn't our lunch that's been stolen. We aren't going to get even, we're going to get justice.
 
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221. Building seven... Sep 11, 2001, 17:47 Ray Marden
 
...has now collapsed, endangering the people who were already helping with buildings one and two.

Building five is considered to be "in danger" and likely to collapse, too.

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220. Re: the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 17:42 anon@64.222
 
"surely a simple public display of the power of the a-bombs would have been enough. There was absolutely no justified reason for the anihilation of TWO cities, just to prove their enourmous destructive potential.
It's sad that the first major use of nuclear power... was for the anihilation of humans."

We warned Japan. They didn't surrender. We warned them again. They didn't surrender.

They started it...we finished it.

Nuff said.
 
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219. Re: the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 17:41 anon@216.54
 
Are you a complete historical illiterate? MORON! We NUKED Hiroshima, they DID NOT SURRENDER! THEN WE NUKED NAGASAKI! Then the EMPEROR HAD TO INTERVENE and FORCE capitulation.

Fucking moron READ A BOOK.
 
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218. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 17:40 anon@192.62
 
Its not about getting back at someone, its about protecting OUR way of life. If I cant take my kids to school or even be safe at a park, you should die. This time it is not about oil or some hill in a far away jungle, its about the lives of American women, children, infants and men.




"I simply refuse to call anyone names here. Perhaps my explaination was vague. Even if Japan was preparing for an invasion... why kill innocent civilians for it? Do you think nuking Afganistan, or Saudi Arabia (including thousands or millions of civilians) is justified by what happended today? I know myself that I do not like terrorists. Yet killing innocent people for others acts is NOT justified no matter how much revenge you want. It's like the blame people put on games players for that which happened in Columbine. If you were a victim of a lynch mob that wanted vengence for what happened, I'm sure you wouldn't be impressed. It's as simple as that. I am not condemning all Americans, just those that made the descision at the time to kill innocent people at the time. "
 
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217. Involvement (word) Sep 11, 2001, 17:40 F1
 
If you cannot figure out whether or not to get involvement and do not know if you should. You statistical have automatically volunteered to become "the concorde."

United States, the Concorde.

I personnally "DO NOT" like the sound of that.

I hate the facts too, but...
Next Time if anyone says that they don't THINK involvement of our "WORLD POLICE" is needed in this world, is a newbie terrorist, they just don't know it.

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216. No Joking matter Sep 11, 2001, 17:40 Mobius
 
I know that I am probably not the only one to say this, and I probably won't be the last. This tragedy is no joking matter! It makes me sick to see people making light of this. I would be the first citizen of the United States to admit that we aren't perfect and our ways are often flawed, but make light of a horrible situation is uncalled for, and immoral. Imagine if you would your family stuck in those buildings when they collapsed, or God/your diety of choice forbid, on the same floor those maniacs crashed into, taking all those lives with them. Crap like saying sorry we missed you, where do you live again? is abominable. I'm not saying that I am better than the next person, but when something like this happens, it's horrible. Now I know how my parent's generation felt with the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and the people of Yokohama and Hiroshima felt.  
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215. the bomb Sep 11, 2001, 17:32 anon@130.195
 
surely a simple public display of the power of the a-bombs would have been enough. There was absolutely no justified reason for the anihilation of TWO cities, just to prove their enourmous destructive potential.
It's sad that the first major use of nuclear power... was for the anihilation of humans.
 
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