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More on the WTC Disaster (Updated)

Of course this is not game related (we do not expect to be doing any further game coverage today), but with the legit news sites being almost impossible to access at times today, we've been getting loads of requests for more information about what's been going on. Here is the latest as of about 9:00 PM EDT:

  • President Bush addressed the nation 8:30 PM EDT. Here's a wire report: WASHINGTON (AP) - A grim-faced President Bush condemned ghastly attacks in Washington and New York on Tuesday and vowed to "find those responsible and bring them to justice." In the second Oval Office address of his presidency, Bush said the United States would retaliate against ``those behind these evil acts,'' and any country that harbors them.

To recap:

  • In two separate attacks, hijacked planes struck both main towers of the World Trade Center in Manhattan this morning, and both of the "twin towers" subsequently collapsed.
  • A hijacked plane struck the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. and part of it has collapsed as well.
  • A hijacked plane crashed in western Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh. Reports indicate the hijackers planned to crash this plane into Camp David in Maryland.
  • 47 Story WTC building seven, one of the five (relatively) smaller buildings in the World Trade Center also later collapsed from ancillary damage.
  • The White House, the Pentagon, and the Capitol Building were all evacuated, all domestic flights in the US have been grounded through at least noon tomorrow.
  • Other closings include most federal offices, the stock markets, the Disney theme parks, and the cancellation of today's Major League Baseball schedule. The President's speech announced that all federal agencies will be open for business tomorrow.
  • Broadcasts out of Afghanistan showed evidence of missile attacks and antiaircraft fire, but what connection this has to today's apparent terrorist attacks in the US is not clear at this point. The US has denied involvement in these attacks.
  • In the first hints of any sort at the scope of casualties, the New York City Fire Department has estimated that as many as half of the 400 firefighters dispatched to the scene are missing. CNN has said that 78 Police officers are missing. Also, the death toll from those on the four hijacked planes has been placed at 266. The number of dead and injured at the Pentagon has been widely reported as about 100. No estimates of the number of victims from the World Trade Center have been made.
  • People throughout the United States have are being urged to donate blood to help offset significant shortages in New York and Washington. The American Red Cross in Greater New York or the American Red Cross are places to contact about donating blood or money, or both.
  • Some news sites seem to be back online. Here are some links that have been more reliable: CNN.com; CNET.com; Yahoo; The New York Times; washingtonpost.com; usnews.com; ABCNEWS.com; FOXNews.com; MSNBC; and BBC News Online.

All of our thoughts go out to the victims of these attacks and their families and friends in what must be an incredibly difficult time.

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254. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 19:37 anon@64.166
 
Wow. Another disillusioned fool...

Xian, you might want to re-read Saleiri's post. You complain about racism, but what is anti-American sentiment if not racist?

You said, "...proof that you should not make decisions while upset." But what are we to do with fanatical states whose members spend their lives upset and making decisions based on those feelings?

The US spent the last 8 years getting as soft and pudgy as Clinton while enjoying watching him philander his way through the White house while cutting our intelligence budget year after year.

Eveyone always said "where's the harm?". Well, here it is...
 
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253. Re: looniboi? Sep 11, 2001, 19:33  Frans 
 
Does anyone know if Jason's ok?
We heard that his sister got a call from Jason this morning that he's ok. Thanks for asking.
Update: Jason just arrived at home; "A bit dusty and dirty, but I'm doing alright."

-- Frans
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252. Re: Why??? Sep 11, 2001, 19:32 KaRRiLLioN
 
#248 = TROLL

Perhaps a little more subtlety next time might get you what you want.

Please go away. Thanks!

 
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251. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 19:30 anon@64.222
 
"Um, yes...I do want revenge.

BTW, you're an idiot. Justifying this kind of "action" is as cowardly as carrying it out yourself.

I appreciate the attempt at critical thought, but MAN, if that's the BEST you can do then you're in sad shape kiddo."

Took the words right outta my mouth.
 
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250. go salieri Sep 11, 2001, 19:29 anon@213.112
 
salieri, I like your post. Sums it up well.  
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249. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 19:27 anon@64.166
 
#240:

Um, yes...I do want revenge.

BTW, you're an idiot. Justifying this kind of "action" is as cowardly as carrying it out yourself.

I appreciate the attempt at critical thought, but MAN, if that's the BEST you can do then you're in sad shape kiddo.
 
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248. Why??? Sep 11, 2001, 19:26 anon@24.234
 
Why the fuck are a buncha lifeless game nerds discussing world affairs on a ripoff gamesite? This place doesn't even generate their own news, yet they have news on the WTC disaster posted here as if people use Bluesnews.Com as their first source of breaking news?

Perhaps it is just a case of someone being a wannabe journalists...

"we've been getting loads of requests for more information about what's been going on"

Lol what the fuck ever. These people don't have TV or Radio? Or sense enough to hit a news website(they've worked fine). I don't think you're getting emailed "hey blue, world news please!"

This site is pathetic, the guy who writes here is a complete idiot, and our country is in shambles. With idiots like you people running around in it, it is no wonder we are such a vulnerable nation.

Now go play Command & Conquer and let the real men in the world worry about current affairs.

 
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247. looniboi? Sep 11, 2001, 19:18 anon@172.151
 
Does anyone know if Jason's ok? Steve from the 'shack hasn't been able to get in contact with him.  
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246. time to get real Sep 11, 2001, 19:15 Capt.Chaos
 
You people who say we should not bomb these countries Iran,Iraq,Libya,Afgahnastan because it would be just as bad is an absolute ASS.these countries breed hate and murder.Yhey oppress and kill thier own people.They cheer in the streets over the deaths of innocent Americans.A slap in the wrist will do nothing to these people or countries, it has never in the past. If in order to make terrorist's and the countries that countinue to horbor them don't pay severely it will never end. I do not wish harm to innocent people, however if some are in the crossfire so to speak so be it.If the sight of young children dancing in the streets over the deaths of thousans of Innocent Americans, and not by a stray bomb,doesn't convince you that these countries breed hate then you are just as fucking insane.Libiral assholes are ruining this country. It's time to hit and hit harder than ever before. Search and destroy every terrorrist faction and if you stand in our way and try to stop us you go down as well
God Bless America

 
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245. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 19:06 Quboid
 
In reply to #240, by salieri:

Hurrah!

This is the most sensible post I've seen for a long time. Too many idiots are too quick to point a finger and yell for nukes. These people are the same as the people celebrating in the streets of the middle east, except they have different influences upon them.

Of course there will be retaliation - if nothing else to show others considering similar action what happens to them. But I think, and I belive the US government thinks (if not the occasional citizen), it should be careful, measured and correct. Bombing rogue countries is unconsidered, reactionary stupidity - proof that you should not make decisions while upset.

I don't blame people for being upset. I personally don't know any victims of the WTC disaster, but I felt sick to my stomach as I watched the events unfolding - to be a US Citizen must be many times worse and to have a close friend of relative lost in the blast uncomprehensible. But the suggestions and attitudes on this board are ridiculous and, at times, racist.

Cheers,
Xain

War doesn't decide who's right - just who's left.
 
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244. Re: Late to work this morning Sep 11, 2001, 19:01 anon@208.35
 
i finally got a hold of my friend working in NYC. in fact she was across the street. this is what she posted on her website, the only indication i have that she is ok. it's pretty shocking

9.11.01 5:19pm I am here in NYC, stranded in Manhatattan, I am okay everyone. I was across the street from the WTC in the Immigration and Naturalizations building when it happened: I SAW IT ALL and shot six rolls of film. We fleed on foot down Broadway and I was ten blocks away when the north tower collapsed. It was surreal. I am shocked. I..am shocked. I saw the second plane hit, the first explosion shook our building. I was on the 41st floor. We threw our stuff together and beat feet to get the heck away from the area. When I looked back over my shoulder, I saw people jumping from the top floors of the World Trade Center. I was supposed to be there tomorrow. This is unbelievable. We can't get off the island. Our hotel was right next to the WTC; our clothes and things are still there as that entire area is under quaranteen. Right now I am on 45th and 6th, right around the corner from Times Square. We have to stay in a conference room for the night and then figure out how to get to the hotel to retrieve our things.
I have amazing respect for the people of NYC, where in a crisis that leaves people feeling on foot like this, people were helpful, respectful, and astoundingly collected. There was no shoving, no agressiveness, we all moved swiftly and cried together when the first tower collapsed. People set up tables outside thier businesses with paper towels and water for passersby. It AMAZED me. I took pictures of a shock victim, an old man covered in white dust from the collapse: he escaped and was trying to get away when the north tower came down. He couldn't remember his name. We couldn't flag down EMTs; they were headed straight for the Center and at this point we were about ten blocks away on Broadway. There is a city-wide blood drive right now. I don't know what my blood type is: they need type O. This...is....This is history. I just came back from walking around Times Square. There are no people out there. It's a ghost town. IN NEW YORK CITY! This is eery.
 
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243. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 19:00 F1
 
TO msg 240
Dude I understand where you are coming from, I wonder if you even get the BIGGER picture on conspiracy theories on how the world works. I figure from what you type out you do, but don't try to force your idea's on others that are dumber than you. I must say you are smart, but know when to KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

Teaching a Rock to roll over, will still be a rock. Get it yet?

Taking Chill pills, and try planning a better tomorrow.
Try it you'll like it.

~ForGoTTeN OnE~

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242. Late to work this morning Sep 11, 2001, 18:57 anon@24.189
 
I was on the 8:30 bus this morning heading towards the lincoln tunnel. When we passed Giant Stadium on the bus, a woman screamed "Oh my god!" The world trade center was burning. A few minutes later when I was on the Helix waiting to enter the tunnel, I watched the second plane collide with the south tower. A few minutes later the tunnels were sealed and the buses turned around.

I was suppose to be 1 block away from the WTC today at 140 Broadway to meet some collegues that we have yet to hear back from.

Perry
 
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241. Bush to address the Nation at 9 PM EST Sep 11, 2001, 18:47 anon@64.222
 
 
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240. Re: To post a famous quote: Sep 11, 2001, 18:47 salieri
 
You know, i read these things like "torture them on TV" and once again get the feeling how fucked up america is right now. I hear things like, lets nuke afghanistan or palistina. Wow now thats really creative. And what exatcly are you goign to achieve with that? Kill a couple hundreds of terrorist and 1000 civilians? What then? Is your feeling for revenge going to be saturated? Or are you just looking for some of scape goat to let down your hatered on? I mean guys lets face it, the US always needs a scape goat. People dont really care about the trouth, they just want an illusion of it. The guy who got executed because of the oklahoma bombing didnt do it alone, thats for sure. He was too dumb for that. But the press didnt really care, aslong as "justice has been serverd" so we can all go back to our regular lives again.

What we have witnessed today was a reaction to american foreign policy. Nothing more.

The US has its illusion of Freedom and the islam fundamentals have their Allah. Is their really such a big diffrence? The reactions i read here are absolutly the same when a missile hits some palestinian building. HAtred spawns hatered.

Face it guys we will never live in harmony. Even if all involved will be killed, you cannot kill the fundamental pricipals of humanity: Religion, Hate, Greed...

As long as those things exist there will always be such things.

The question you have to ask now is: What will be our reaction? The whole world expects a reaction now, but what will it be? When people are under stress and dont know how to react they often make decisions that lead to severe consequences, for all of us.

What frightens me now most, is that Israel has now total power, it can bomb the hell out of palestina and nobody is going to condemn them. They can do whatever they want withought intervention from the NATO.

But the most important question of all is: What can the US do to prevent such things from happening?

Now the problem with the US is that they have a very straighforward way of thinking.

We have to many criminals, so what do we do? We create the death sentence. that 10% are inocent is not of concern. Neither is the fact that that didnt lower the crime rate.

We have a drug problem, so what do we do? We put the age to 21, and then we wonder why so many teenagers turn to drugs, cos its easiert to get them than alcohol.

Child has bad behavior, so what do we do? We install cameras into his room. Or send him to a boot camp instead of talking with him and find out why he is doing this. And then we wonder why it hates his parents?

Those kind of things, that people dont want to see, because its more convinient for them to live a life in a "perfect world". The word Freedom, God and Honor, have been so often abused, misused, befouled and used for manipulation of the masses, that it has lost all its meaning. Those are now empty words. Imagine how easy it is to manipulate other people if carefully used?

I still remember when the Soviet Union attacked Afghanistan and the US gave their "deepest regrets" for the people of afghanistan. The big bad evil, soviet union. And now lets cut 10 years later. Now when we see Rambo III and read the "This movie is dedicated to the people of Afghanistan" at the very end, we all get astrange and fuzzy feeling how easy it is to manipulate the US people to achive the goals that the goverment has set.

Now lets come back to today. The people who planned this, are very intelligent and highly organized to pull of that kind of stunt you need a lot of power and money. They have probably planned all this years before. And now ask yourself this one question: Do you really think they didnt take into account what the reaction of the US will be?

Ofcourse the US is gonna blame bin laden, who esle is there, right?

When countries become that predictable it is much easier to achive your goal. I am not saying that someone else did it. It just seems to be a too straighforward conclusion, perfectly adjusted for the american mentality and awkward perception of justice.

There are a lot of people who have gained a lot through this incident. Starting from the strong Euro to the power Isreal now has.

When you begin to be emotionaly attached to this incedent you are not going to help to resolve it. Innocent people are always the ones who must suffer in the end, thats how our little planet has been ruled for ages. Only when you try to view this whole situation from a higher perpective, only when you lay down your emotions and try to think out of the box, only then you are able to analyze the following question:

No matter what the US is going to do to Afghanistan and the like, is it going to help in the extent that such a thing wont happen again?

Temporarly ofcourse, and then the american people will once again have the nice feeling that justice has been served in the name of GOD and that once again people have been found to take the blame.

But wait, lets have a look from the other perpective, lets look at this at the angle of the "terrorists". You cant kill them all, thats for sure. And then they will once again get full support from the civilians, and once again they will have power, and hate is going to be on their side. Its easy to recruit young motivated teenagers to fight against "american imperialism" when you have their hate on your side.

And once again they are willing to die for Allah. And once again the circle of pain and suffering will continue, on both sides.

Wait let me take that back, i think that the casualties on the US side will be more severe, as US soldiers probably wont engage in bombing civilian targets (i hope).

I am not telling you what to do, neither am i sayong what actions would be right or wrong. As there is no right or wrong in this world, nor is their good or evil. No black and white. There is just action and reaction. And the consequences you are prepared to face for your action.

And now ask yourself: What do you want? Revenge? Or to find a solution so that this kind of things never happen again?

And trust me, bombing the shit out of the "rogue countries" wont ensure that those kind of things dont happen again. Its just a sign of pride:"Nobody fucks with america"

But america has been fucked today. And nothing the US will do will change that fact.

The question is: Will america be fucked again?

I rest my case, back to you George...

 
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239. News Media Sep 11, 2001, 18:42 anon@64.19
 
Of course I feel for everyone involved with this terrible event, but I hope NOW the broadcast media will learn the lesson of not putting all their eggs in one basket. ALL the TV broadcasters, and a good number of FM stations used the WTC for their transmitting antennas. Those without computers or cable have been almost under a total news blackout. Even now, almost 10hrs later, only 1 TV station in the NYC area is on the air. Had this been a more widespread, or continuing event, it would have been very hard to notify the public.  
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238. To post a famous Quote: Round 2 Sep 11, 2001, 18:41 anon@206.19
 
OK so they got the time period for the quote wrong, but the sentiments were correct. This doesn't relate to the Japanese, but rather to what I'd like to see happen to the bastards that did this horrible act. The quote "Don't tread on me!" is symbolic of the American peoples. For you that don't know, it also features an image of coiled rattle snake and demonstrates the fact that if you step on America you will get bit and you get hurt bad.
The cold fact is that the Palestinian people have for centuries trained (read-BRAINWASHED) their children into believing that if they die for their religious beliefs they will be welcomed into heaven. Then sick men in positions of power have taken these kids and used them to conduct military and terrorist strikes in order to improve their own agendas. The Taliban currently welcomes these sick individuals and offers them asylum. Because the USA currently offers aid and support to Israel we have become their #2 target. To date they have never had the ability to attack the USA on our own turf. But now they have. I'm willing to bet that the Taliban, despite their denial, had something to do with this. That is why I say "Don't tread on me!" and now I wish to show the individuals who did this awful act the exact meaning behind the phrase.

That is also why I'm stopping off on the way home from work to get and AMERICAN FLAG AND DISPLAY IT PROUDLY!
Let our enemies quake in fear of the righteous justice to come.

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237. Re: Kill 'em all Sep 11, 2001, 18:39 anon@134.197
 
"This was done by foreign nationals both overseas and here in our own country. I hereby recognize that I no longer welcome any foreign national into my country. You are now under suspicion. I will trust you never again. You have abused my gifts to you. May you pay with your life."

The US is a country of immigrants, how dare you speak so harshly of anyone who may not have been born here?

My parents were immigrants, and your ignorance offends me. You clearly don't realize the contributions "foreigners" have made to this country.

And also, you must realize that this incident demonstrates the US needs help more than ever from its allies. Powerful we may be, but not powerful enough to combat this sort of out-of-the-ordinary foe.

I'm sure most people around the world realize this is a serious tragedy, regardless of wether or not they like the US.
 
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236. Re: Afghanistan being bombed! Sep 11, 2001, 18:37 FartRhino
 
I just want to express my condolences to everyone all over the world, as I'm sure we're all doing. But I, even though I'm Canadian, am going to do the thing we can do other than wait and pray, is PLAY CS AND KILL ME SOME TERRORISTS!!

Let's all hope for the best

God Bless

 
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235. Re: Afghanistan being bombed! Sep 11, 2001, 18:32 anon@24.65
 
 
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