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It's no secret that online advertising revenue has declined over the course of
the past several months, several websites have gone out of business, and most of
the rest of us continue to scramble
to recoup lost income. It's also probably pretty obvious that we have always
tried to be as unobtrusive with ads as possible to date, and those two
situations ran into a headlong collision last night. This happened when we started running some ad script for a DVD offer that was one of those Flash dealies that I assumed would
"just" be one of those noisy, animated embedded ads you see more of
these days. As it turns out, it was a bit more: A semi-transparent overlay that
sat atop the news page until dismissed, which, in a further twist, had a
confusing enough label on the close button that some folks were having trouble
getting rid of it at all. When I saw the ad, I thought that people would understand its
intrusiveness--after all, as stated above, these are tough times for websites, and we've often
had responses from readers about the state of the web saying if more ads were
required, so be it. Well, we quickly were
flooded with complaints about the situation, obviously fuelled by the
multimedia-ness of the ad, but also probably partly my fault, since I was so quick to quash the couple of previous times pop-up
ads occurred here (since they were without our knowledge).
I am concerned with the nature of some of the complaints about the ad. There
were a couple of themes that came up repeatedly in the feedback: there were
comments that expressed the hope
that this isn't a new trend, and others saying how long the complainant had
been a reader of the site, but if the intrusive ad went on much longer this
would change. Now, the close button problem is a different issue, but aside from
that, I just want to make the case for being more tolerant of occasions like
this in the future... we are not looking at adding more
conspicuous advertising out of greed, or we could have done so during the heyday
of dot-commery and cleaned up... we are looking at making the site viable to
continue to survive. If it really is just a die hard (no pun intended) fact that
such ads are going to drive readers away, we are in a real bind, but I guess the
reason I'm rambling on here is the hope that explaining all this will make any
inconvenience from intrusive ads (whether we start running this one again, or others in the future, or if we just plaster the site with banners and
buttons) more palatable by pointing out that they may well be necessary to keep
bringing you all the carnage that's fit to post.
If we get a version of the ad with a fixed button, I'll put it online so
people who missed it last night can see what I'm talking about, and see where
this goes from there. However that turns out, in any event, the ad was not permanent, so if it comes back online,
even if you hate it perhaps you can show it a
little patience for the time it's here... it should be a great help to us, and
any patience and understanding you can spare are greatly appreciated. By the way
(sorry for going on so long here), not all the responses were negative, and so I
want to also express appreciation to those who expressed understanding about the
situation, as well as those who have always tried to support our advertisers by
checking out their ads.
Link of the Day: 2fort5
Recreational Project Version 2.0.
Play of the Day: The Seinfeld LAST Episode Generator.
Thanks SecretAgentMan.
Story of the Day: Faxed Ads Cost Hooters $12 Million
(ABC). Thanks Jamie Fullerton.
Weird Science: Experimental
U.S. Pigs Turned Into Sausages (Reuters). Thanks [MP] Wolverine [MP].
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Re: this is pathetic |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:50 |
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Don't be afraid, say it aloud: Yipeky-yay MotherFucker(s).
This ad is too much though. It takes up way too much space, reappears everytime I use the back button, takes 10-15 seconds to close. Choose something static instead. Like those stupid shock the monkey things. A little more simple and a little less invading. Especially since I can't click on the news below it.
Now there are workarounds if you absolutely want to keep this ad. You could just change every link to open in a new window so we don't have to use the infamous back button and see it every time. Otherwise use popup windows for ads (not billions of porn windows). I just do not want an ad "OVER" what I am trying to see.
I am not human. Nor do I plan on ever becoming one. But I'll continue to come to Blue's even if the ad stays here but I'll be mad as hell and drunk on testosterone each time. And I'll go buy those DVDs and break them or a weekly basis. Then shoot BBs at them. But I'll still come to Blue's. Oh yeah, since it's the only good place I can post anonymously, being like a masked adult vandal stalking little boys in the night to give them wedgies and throwing rocks at stuff. |
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The real function of ads |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:48 |
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I think what most people don't realize (including many of those marketing guys, it seems) is what ads are supposed to do.
Ads should build awareness of a "real world" product or get people to use a certain website or something similar. They should NOT annoy people because this builds negative feelings towards the product. In most cases getting people to just watch the ad is not the intention. Instead the goal is to get the user to visit the corresponding website and do something that generates revenue (i.e. buy some product).
So, as much as I hate it, you're not really helping Blue or any other website that relies on advertising if you just click on ads to support them and then automatically close the window. Sure, this will generate more revenue in the short run, but over time advertisers will realize that most people visiting their websites don't actually do anything profitable. So they'll conclude that a click on one of their banners is not as valuable as they thought, because only a small fraction of these clicks generates revenue. The result? Ad prices will go down even further.
Also, I think that the "TV model" does not really apply to the internet. TV is basically a passive medium, so you do not really feel interrupted by advertising breaks. And there's also a considerable amount of time between these ads. The internet, on the other hand, is an active medium. People generally have a specific goal in their mind when visiting websites. Forced breaks get really annoying if you want to do something. Also, people usually quickly jump from one website to another on their search for information or goods or whatever. So, if every website had such an "ad break" you'd end up viewing an ad for 30 seconds, reading the site for a minute or two and then getting another break on the next site. This is a lot worse than TV breaks.
So, I think the real problem of advertising is that people are just too different. On the one hand ads need to catch the eye of those that might actually be interested in the product. On the other hand people that are not interested feel annoyed by having "stupid" ads pop up all the time. I don't think this issue can be resolved until computers are able to read one's emotions. So what advertisers need to do is to find a good trade-off between annoying people and getting them interested. And I think this is exactly what's happening now. Advertisers try how far they can go, when people get upset, what the best annoyance/interest ratio is. Our job is to tell them when they've gone too far for our tastes so that they can adjust their strategies.
... and/or to develope mind-reading hardware
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Re: I second that - more (different) shirts! |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:41 |
Bronco |
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-Devster wrote
I'm looking for higher quality (even if more expensive) shirts. I mentioned before, ages ago, I want a dark blue or black golf shirt (aka polo shirt) with the swanky logo on the left breast side, and the URL on the left sleeve cuff. It would rock. Someone mentioned long sleeve suckers, they be good too. Coffee mugs be good too - everyone likes a swanky coffee mug I couldn't agree more! Esp. the Coffee mugs. I'd really like a denim shirt with the logo above the pocket only.
Snappy2Stroke
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Re: this is pathetic |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:41 |
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>I cannot believe the number of people here who say they won't continue to come >to Blue's News simply because of one single ad. If you can't understand a man's >need to eat and pay his own bills, then you just flat out must not be human.
Bite me. Why are people OBLIGATED to come to Blue's, no matter how bad it gets? These people are simply saying that the cost/benefit ratio of visiting the site has gone over their internal threshhold, so they're gonna go elsewhere. Why do all you OTHER people find this idea so offensive?
>I think I could stand to take a few seconds of my time to make sure that this site stayed in business.
Good for you. Do that. But don't suggest that anyone should feel they HAVE to do anything for the site.
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this is pathetic |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:23 |
anon@38.36 |
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I cannot believe the number of people here who say they won't continue to come to Blue's News simply because of one single ad. If you can't understand a man's need to eat and pay his own bills, then you just flat out must not be human. I think I could stand to take a few seconds of my time to make sure that this site stayed in business.
To all you freeloaders, you make me sick. Those of you who said you'd support Blue if he put up ads and now have turned your back are the reason why the gaming community is looked down upon by mainstream America, the people who think we're nothing more than those who are along for a free ride, who say we're selfish and we don't care about anyone else. Thanks for proving all the closed minded people of America right. I applaude your idiocy
To those of you who legitemately cannot close the ad, ignore this. Your complaint is real. |
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Re: IP? |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:21 |
Rob |
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Not completely sure, even after looking at the webpage. Considering I have no javascript for ugo, I'm not even sure where the heck it's pulling it up.
Try *.ugotechnology.com maybe?
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I second that - more (different) shirts! |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:20 |
Devster |
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I'm looking for higher quality (even if more expensive) shirts. I mentioned before, ages ago, I want a dark blue or black golf shirt (aka polo shirt) with the swanky logo on the left breast side, and the URL on the left sleeve cuff. It would rock. Someone mentioned long sleeve suckers, they be good too. Coffee mugs be good too - everyone likes a swanky coffee mug (check out the one on Arnold Schwarzenneger's site - 20oz).
-Devster
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Use your head, don't lose it - Don't feed the trolls! Boycott Belligerent Boycotters! |
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Die Hard |
Jul 26, 2001, 20:13 |
anon@62.7 |
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If these such ads become the norm I'll stop visiting. bye bye until these ads are history. *waves* |
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the ad |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:55 |
anon@172.165 |
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| hey blue, it wouldn't really be so bad if it didn't actually obscure your content, albeit for a few seconds. ads are ok as a side part of the webpage, but when they start covering up and interrupting the actual content....? |
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Re: The real times |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:53 |
Blue |
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TIMES the number of times you view a story and backup to the homepage again The ad is only supposed to display once per session. Hopefully this is being addressed, I assume this would help those with the broken-flash problem too, as they would just be able to hit reload to clear it...
Stephen "Blue" Heaslip Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, Il Presidente for Life |
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Stephen "Blue" Heaslip Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, El Presidente for Life |
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Re: I hate ads of all types ... but ... |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:39 |
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| The fucking ad has to go. |
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I hate ads of all types ... but ... |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:37 |
anon@206.159 |
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You need to get the cash to keep this site going. I understand that. However, ads like the flash pop-over that I just witnessed will keep me away. Have a good one until those ads are gone. *wavers*
-Excalibur |
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Stick a fork in yourself, you're done. |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:34 |
anon@192.25 |
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Blue,
This isn't a slam against you, 'tho it will read to some as such.
You're already dead, you just haven't stopped moving yet.
This is no fault of your own; you're as much a victim as your readership. The problem isn't your website, which is excellent, the problem is you chose to follow a business model which was broken from the word go. You're not directly selling a product via a standard method of exchange (ie, credit card or cash). Nor are you driven by an over-riding desire to put a message out, a desire so strong that you're willing to work at a loss for the sake of that message.
Until there is a paradgm shift in the way web advertising works, web-ad-driven sites such as this will fail. The amount of money put into web ads has not been realized in returns equal to, or greater than, the money it took to create and run them in the first place. The ad model that powers magazines and broadcast media fails on the web because the web is an interactive media and ads are a passive medium. Until advertisers realize this difference, all the trickery in the world (flashing ads, larger sized as, and now obnoxiously-intrusive content) won't garner the returns the advertisers are so desperate for. Put another way, 60,000 hits a day on a website does not mean that 60,000 people a day become more brand aware, or become new customers. 60,000 hits a day simply means that 60,000 people saw a website.
There is one thing you could do, however, to save this site (and this is really your only hope): make this a subscriber-only service, payble via a PayPal-like service. Either you're creating something worth buying here, or you're wasting your time (I personally believe in the former), but unless you directly start engaging in some financial quid pro quo, you are just delaying the unfortunate inevitable.
-- A faithful reader. |
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Re: Slippery slope |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:34 |
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Oh come on whether you like pop up adds or not you gotta admit that DIE HARD has to be the coolest ad out there. And listen if ya dont all like it well ya might as well just turn off your PC cause hey EVERYBODYS GOTTA MAKE A LIVING . YEA adds suck but if we gotta have em to keep up the site keep em like DIE HARD |
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Slippery slope |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:26 |
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There are pressures to turn the web business into something resembling radio/tv model. We will be forced to stop reading a site to watch a few commercials before we can continue. These ads are a BIG step in that direction. These kinds of ads are still fairly new. If the reaction is strongly negative enough we can maybe curb this thing before it’s out of control. |
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IP? |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:22 |
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Anyone know the IP of the ad site? I'd like to block it at hte firewall level.
BTW, it's NOT the ugo.mediamgr site, I have that one blocked. |
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Keep it up |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:19 |
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What ever it takes to keep the site going, I support it. And thanks to all of you for your hard work.
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Re: The real times |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:16 |
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This is why I hate this ad. There is no option to close out of the thing except after you've been subjected to it.
I honestly don't have that much problem with most ads, as long as they do not obscure the screen, OR I'm allowed to stop them before they are completed. Anyone remember those giant McDonalds ads that were running on Gamespy? They had a little "x" in the corner, making them go away when I want them to - so I didn't mind them.
Hell, even the IGN popups have a "close me" button so I don't waste too much of my time.
You know, there is one thing that would make me tolerate these things. That would be if I click the ad, view the advertisers site, and then accept a cookie that will prevent the ad from ever showing up again. But no, no matter how ofter I tell the ad to go away, it keeps comin back.
I guess the thing that bugs me most is the fact that I already own the Die Hard Trilogy. So right now, someone is wasting bandwidth.
--Rudy "Let's Gekiga in!" |
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Re: Screw the lazy bastards |
Jul 26, 2001, 19:10 |
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And if you are too lazy to close the window, you can stay the hell off the site... not like you are helping out the site any so I am sure you won't be missed. You all are pretty damn demanding of a site that is completely free.
I've clicked on banners here, have you?
So exactly how is asking that my computer remains mine being too demanding?
Oh, and please try to learn how to use italics.
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Wow, now that's annoying! |
Jul 26, 2001, 18:49 |
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Sorry Blue, but that ad has to be the most annoying piece of crap that I've seen in a long time. At a bare minimum, you should at least put a close button on it, so I can kill it quickly without wasting my time.
I know that you need make money, but pissing off your target audience is the wrong way to do it. |
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