nin wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 08:45:I fail to understand why people choose to believe in what a person says without any proof to back it up.
I don't give a fuck about the narcissist, but the lack of progress and an actual product is all people need to have doubt on the products success.
I fail to understand why people choose to believe in what a person says without any proof to back it up.
A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
Damage to the plaintiff.
Most jurisdictions also recognize "per se" defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff.
Typically, the following may consititute defamation per se:
Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;
dsmart wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 21:56:jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 21:15:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 18:19:
What needs to be proven? Everyone knows. It wasn't a secret.
They were obviously trying to keep it secret, but whatever.
Yes they were.
btw if you haven't read this analysis yet of CR's letter, you should.
jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 21:15:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 18:19:
What needs to be proven? Everyone knows. It wasn't a secret.
They were obviously trying to keep it secret, but whatever.
jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 21:15:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 18:19:
What needs to be proven? Everyone knows. It wasn't a secret.
They were obviously trying to keep it secret, but whatever.
Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 16:17:
jdreyer you saw this? Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
I think someone posted it earlier, but I don't follow every single line related to this drama. In short, CIG is threatening Escapist with legal action if they don't comply by end of day Monday.
After the letter to Escapist, scroll down, and they talk about Bandit and Liz and who they are and particularly the Bandit's history of activity. This leads to the info about the doxing.
Tumbler wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 17:06:Really? They've raised $90M, and currently average about $2M a month on income while burning (conservatively) $3M per month. While they haven't been spending that much the entire time, they've been probably going through that much the last 2 years, which is around $72M spent, plus whatever they spent the first year ($10M? 15M?) while they ramped up. I'm not sure how they keep things up for the number of years they'll need to finish this project, but I'm all ears.
You don't know what they are spending. You don't know what they've spent. You can guess and you're welcome to but the things we do know are that their income year over year continues to increase and thats the sign of a healthy business despite what Mr. Smart tells you.
When income coming into the project slows or stops that is a problem. It hasn't happened yet. I know it's hard but you guys just have to be patient. There is no guarantee that this thing will fail despite what you've been told. You might just end up disappointed after waiting all this time and you'll probably feel awful having spent so much time waiting...but that is the risk you're taking. You might just end up with nothing...to be mad about.
dsmart wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 18:10:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:44:jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:04:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 06:58:
Just gotta add, as I just found out, that the whole doxing of Chris's young daughter by these fucking lunatics...reprehensible.
Do we have a link showing that? The first time I heard about it was when Roberts mentioned it in his Escapist rebuttal, and DS denies he did it.
To save you from giving clicks to DSmarts blog and trying to dig through his cesspool... https://twitter.com/istheguy/status/648361204226891776
And that's the tweet that I retweeted. This person was doing his own digging in order to prove that Sandi and Chris was married
Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:44:jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:04:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 06:58:
Just gotta add, as I just found out, that the whole doxing of Chris's young daughter by these fucking lunatics...reprehensible.
Do we have a link showing that? The first time I heard about it was when Roberts mentioned it in his Escapist rebuttal, and DS denies he did it.
To save you from giving clicks to DSmarts blog and trying to dig through his cesspool... https://twitter.com/istheguy/status/648361204226891776
Really? They've raised $90M, and currently average about $2M a month on income while burning (conservatively) $3M per month. While they haven't been spending that much the entire time, they've been probably going through that much the last 2 years, which is around $72M spent, plus whatever they spent the first year ($10M? 15M?) while they ramped up. I'm not sure how they keep things up for the number of years they'll need to finish this project, but I'm all ears.
Tumbler wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:35:Eirikrautha wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 10:59:
So much concern trolling. Let's deal with "facts" then, shall we?
The fact is that CRI has produced nothing except a few tech demos, and way later than original projected dates. Anything else is speculation.
We know that CR himself has increased the scope of the project (ships, features, etc.) as more revenue has been incoming (this is based on his own statements).
We know that CRI has reworked numerous portions of the game, not based on design documents, but on the changing "visions" of CR and others (the helmet UI system, etc.). Both presently employed, named employees and CR himself have related this.
We know that CRI has built or created a number of resources instead of renting them (example: the motion capture studio). This is almost always less cost-effective than renting such facilities. The usual economically feasible reasons for such expenditures are because CRI plans to use them on future projects (meaning this money is being spent on something other than SC) or because they will be needed throughout the production process, suggesting that there is a high likelihood that these resources are not set in stone by design. Regardless of the reason, when know that CRI built when it could have rented. We know this because CR said so.
We know that Chris Roberts has a history in this industry of wandering design, so much so that his previous company ran out of money and had to be bought by Microsoft in order for his last game to be released. This is historical fact.
The above first sentences of each paragraph are statements of fact. Whether or not you agree with my interpretations of them, they are based totally on CR and CRI's own declarations. You may choose to ignore these facts. But Occam's Razor suggests that history is repeating itself, and any other assumption here requires stretching beyond the obvious facts.
I don't think history has given CR an ever increasing budget as the project progress', so we are in uncharted waters there. If you're saying that he's well on his way to running out of money then I'd say you're a fool because he keeps ending each year with vastly more money than he started with. That claim makes no sense. They have income coming in each month through ship sales, merchandise sales and new backers coming on board all the time. I was a subscriber until recently dropping $10 a month for a handful of items that were all digital and I recently bought a coffee mug from them and am always eager to look at new items they offer for sale.
Running out of money isn't a problem they face currently.
jdreyer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:04:Krovven wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 06:58:
Just gotta add, as I just found out, that the whole doxing of Chris's young daughter by these fucking lunatics...reprehensible.
Do we have a link showing that? The first time I heard about it was when Roberts mentioned it in his Escapist rebuttal, and DS denies he did it.
Eirikrautha wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 10:59:
So much concern trolling. Let's deal with "facts" then, shall we?
The fact is that CRI has produced nothing except a few tech demos, and way later than original projected dates. Anything else is speculation.
We know that CR himself has increased the scope of the project (ships, features, etc.) as more revenue has been incoming (this is based on his own statements).
We know that CRI has reworked numerous portions of the game, not based on design documents, but on the changing "visions" of CR and others (the helmet UI system, etc.). Both presently employed, named employees and CR himself have related this.
We know that CRI has built or created a number of resources instead of renting them (example: the motion capture studio). This is almost always less cost-effective than renting such facilities. The usual economically feasible reasons for such expenditures are because CRI plans to use them on future projects (meaning this money is being spent on something other than SC) or because they will be needed throughout the production process, suggesting that there is a high likelihood that these resources are not set in stone by design. Regardless of the reason, when know that CRI built when it could have rented. We know this because CR said so.
We know that Chris Roberts has a history in this industry of wandering design, so much so that his previous company ran out of money and had to be bought by Microsoft in order for his last game to be released. This is historical fact.
The above first sentences of each paragraph are statements of fact. Whether or not you agree with my interpretations of them, they are based totally on CR and CRI's own declarations. You may choose to ignore these facts. But Occam's Razor suggests that history is repeating itself, and any other assumption here requires stretching beyond the obvious facts.