Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up

A post on Reddit notes that some of the quotes purportedly from anonymous employees of Cloud Imperium Games included in The Escapist article about Star Citizen development posted yesterday originally appeared in posts on Glassdoor. The reaction to this is mixed, and some take this as a sign that there are issues with the accuracy of the article. It is noted that the identity of posters on the site are not verified, though it's possible The Escapist did their own separate verification, and their article does also have quotes that do not appear on Glassdoor.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 23:05
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 23:05
Oct 4, 2015, 23:05
 
dsmart wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 13:58:
Beamer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 12:12:
I'm less concerned about the sources and more irked (and that's the right word) that someone that fought for "ethics in journalism" didn't disclose all her tweets with Derek prior to this, considering that's 95% of what's on Deepfreeze.

Disclose their Tweets? Are you serious right now? Don't make me laugh.

Derek, you've been on DeepFreeze, you know this is 90% of what it takes issue with.

Me? I don't think it's a problem. Why? Because it's a small industry and everyone knows everyone. One GDC after party and you've met half the industry.

But you know as well as I do that Lizzy has been on a soapbox about undisclosed relationships, many of which equate solely to "they tweeted at each other a few times.

Clicking on a random journalist on DeepFreeze, sure enough there's bitching aboug a handful of tweets.

If these people can't follow their own "ethical guidelines," why are they so adamant about condemning others for not doing the same.


In any case, Derek has been picking battles with Roberts for decades.

Not false. You've never had nice things to say about him.

And I'm not saying you're wrong for this. And I'm not saying you have an agenda and are lying. But people sometimes see what they want to see. Nothing you've shown is an absolute smoking gun, so for now it's all with a grain of salt.

I won't give a dime to Roberts, but I won't join in to the character assassination. Let him do what he'll do. It has no bearing on me, no bearing on you now that you've gotten your refund, and no bearing on most people here. All this drama just distracts him and makes him even more likely to fail.

I say just keep letting him work, with asterisks. If he fails, so be it. If he succeeds, hooray, he did something you've been trying to do, with mixed results, for 25 years. You were ahead of your time. As times have changed, so have the targets, and I think he's in over his head more than you ever were, but at least he has funding for a large team. With these funding, I can't help but wonder what BC3000 would have been.

In any case, Derek has been picking battles with Roberts for decades.

False. Nice try. No cigar. Unless you can prove it, hearsay is inadmissible and bullshit.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 21:19
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 21:19
Oct 4, 2015, 21:19
 
BadIronTree wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 08:03:
Other news site got offered the same story from DS but the new girl in Escapist took his bate ...


I think you want "bait" as in a worm on a hook, and not "bate" as in masturbate.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 14:01
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 14:01
Oct 4, 2015, 14:01
 
BadIronTree wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 08:03:
Their credibility is damaged by the poor "investigation" of their Author

and btw DS admitted he was behind it
http://imgur.com/rxwsR3D

LOL!! No you fool. I'm referring to my blogs that started this trainwreck


DS how many did you spam ?

None really. It's all bullshit. Plus there is nothing wrong with trying to get the media to pay attention to a serious issue related to the loss of $90m in gamer money, is there?

If other sources tried to tell their story, that wasn't me. I do interviews all the time. I don't need to shop an inside story. Especially since I wasn't there.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 13:58
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 13:58
Oct 4, 2015, 13:58
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 12:12:
I'm less concerned about the sources and more irked (and that's the right word) that someone that fought for "ethics in journalism" didn't disclose all her tweets with Derek prior to this, considering that's 95% of what's on Deepfreeze.

Disclose their Tweets? Are you serious right now? Don't make me laugh.

In any case, Derek has been picking battles with Roberts for decades.

False. Nice try. No cigar. Unless you can prove it, hearsay is inadmissible and bullshit.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
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Oct 4, 2015, 12:37
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Oct 4, 2015, 12:37
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 12:12
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 12:12
Oct 4, 2015, 12:12
 
I'm less concerned about the sources and more irked (and that's the right word) that someone that fought for "ethics in journalism" didn't disclose all her tweets with Derek prior to this, considering that's 95% of what's on Deepfreeze.

In any case, Derek has been picking battles with Roberts for decades. I see no reason to believe him here. No reason to believe Roberts, either. I've invested no money, I will invest no money, I simply don't give a shit about all this drama.

But man, do people like inserting themselves into it.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 08:03
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 08:03
Oct 4, 2015, 08:03
 
Their credibility is damaged by the poor "investigation" of their Author

and btw DS admitted he was behind it
http://imgur.com/rxwsR3D



We have since been advised by several reputable gaming publications that they have been offered these stories, but refrained from pursuing them because "there was no hard evidence and not enough sources." This indicates that these fabricated stories had been collected and were shopped around by a common source to find somebody who could be fooled into publishing them. It would explain the haste with which you wanted "to go to print" - you may have been sold a load of goods that otherwise another publication would get the privilege to break this "scoop".

Other news site got offered the same story from DS but the new girl in Escapist took his bate ...

DS how many did you spam ?
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 4, 2015, 04:30
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 4, 2015, 04:30
Oct 4, 2015, 04:30
 
dsmart wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 18:43:
Forum post debunking the Glassdoor reviews

How Escapist vetted sources

Escapist podcast. You should listen to all of it.
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then you verified a company an unidentified employee by examining his "company ID card with the name blocked out." You might be interested to know that CIG does not issue any company ID cards at any of its studios!
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DS your lie will destroy Escapist ...
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 3, 2015, 18:43
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 3, 2015, 18:43
Oct 3, 2015, 18:43
 
Forum post debunking the Glassdoor reviews

How Escapist vetted sources

Escapist podcast. You should listen to all of it.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 21:06
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 21:06
Oct 2, 2015, 21:06
 
Luke wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 17:30:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 16:08:
Desalus wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:04:
harlock wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 11:28:
if the environment was truly healthy there would be no slander, and there would be no rebuttal even if there was an attempt - the whole thing would smell different

this reeks of desperation

To the white knights this whole thing is one big conspiracy theory orchestrated by Derek Smart. I just don't understand how you cannot see that something is amiss at CIG. After four years of development they have so very little to show for it. No efficiently run team takes that long to produce so little. Doesn't that just scream mismanagement?

Exactly, we don't need DS to tell us something is wrong. The numbers are just not adding up. Three years spent, and a few demos to show for it.

Exactly, we don't need DS to tell us something is wrong.

Ohh is it soooo hard to say : you were right DS , Clown

You were right Der.. uhh
Crap,I can't do it.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 18:53
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 18:53
Oct 2, 2015, 18:53
 
Julio wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 18:38:
Desalus wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:04:
To the white knights this whole thing is one big conspiracy theory orchestrated by Derek Smart.

It's not like Derek Smart was the first one to think this wasn't passing the sniff test. He did back it after all, when plenty of others knew it had 'potential scam' written all over it.

I believe over half of us on this site called scam within a couple weeks of the numbers becoming astronomical. We all pointed to failed projects and lack of responsibility by CR. We just don't have a full time job of asshatery like DS to go to the lengths he did. You see, MOST of us have common sense....
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 18:38
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 18:38
Oct 2, 2015, 18:38
 
Desalus wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:04:
To the white knights this whole thing is one big conspiracy theory orchestrated by Derek Smart.

It's not like Derek Smart was the first one to think this wasn't passing the sniff test. He did back it after all, when plenty of others knew it had 'potential scam' written all over it.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 17:30
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 17:30
Oct 2, 2015, 17:30
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 16:08:
Desalus wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:04:
harlock wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 11:28:
if the environment was truly healthy there would be no slander, and there would be no rebuttal even if there was an attempt - the whole thing would smell different

this reeks of desperation

To the white knights this whole thing is one big conspiracy theory orchestrated by Derek Smart. I just don't understand how you cannot see that something is amiss at CIG. After four years of development they have so very little to show for it. No efficiently run team takes that long to produce so little. Doesn't that just scream mismanagement?

Exactly, we don't need DS to tell us something is wrong. The numbers are just not adding up. Three years spent, and a few demos to show for it.

Exactly, we don't need DS to tell us something is wrong.

Ohh is it soooo hard to say : you were right DS , Clown
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 16:43
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 16:43
Oct 2, 2015, 16:43
 
descender wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 16:18:
Wild speculation in the public sphere without facts is dishonest and reprehensible.

thats precisely what sales of this "game" and its relevant virtual "goods" are predicated on

you still dont get that?
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 16:22
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 16:22
Oct 2, 2015, 16:22
 
Desalus wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 13:16:

For a start, Chris probably shouldn't have started promising the world as donations increased. Focusing solely on the originally planned game would probably have been a good start as well. After being gone from the industry for 12 years I would think a smarter plan for Chris would have been to start small, release that game, and then move on to a more ambitious iteration. I'm guessing it's not very easy being gone for that long, building up a huge team in such a short period of time, trying to coordinate from multiple worldwide office locations, and develop a complex and very ambitious game. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

There's another organization that spreads it's project development all over the place: the defense department. The F-35 has parts made in 45 different states, and we know what effect that has on the cost of the project.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 16:20
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Oct 2, 2015, 16:20
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 16:14:
JoeNapalm wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:21:

I agree the whole thing stinks. But I also still believe in "innocent until proven guilty"...I'd rather see SC succeed or fail on its own merits than have a bunch of unverifiable accusations from infamous trolls tear it down.

It's a dark day on the internet when people say "I have faith in Derek Smart!" What has he ever done to earn that?


-Jn-

It's innocent until proven guilty, but shouldn't we also be saying: things aren't adding up, let's investigate.

Haha ... whenever someone says something 'doesn't add up' this plays out in my head. Yes, I'm immature.
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Oct 2, 2015, 16:19
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Oct 2, 2015, 16:19
 
BadIronTree wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 13:08:
Well the last 48 hours SC made 650k+ $$$$ So I bet it's a win?

They burn $100K/day. So that funds 6.5 days of development.
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 16:18
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Oct 2, 2015, 16:18
 
shouldn't we also be saying: things aren't adding up, let's investigate.

Yes, investigate privately and then release your findings once they are verified is a perfect thing to be doing regarding SC/CIG.

Wild speculation in the public sphere without facts is dishonest and reprehensible.

I don't think anyone is saying that this situation is not worth looking in to, it just hasn't been done in a proper or responsible manner.
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Oct 2, 2015, 16:16
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Oct 2, 2015, 16:16
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 16:08:
Desalus wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:04:
harlock wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 11:28:
if the environment was truly healthy there would be no slander, and there would be no rebuttal even if there was an attempt - the whole thing would smell different

this reeks of desperation

To the white knights this whole thing is one big conspiracy theory orchestrated by Derek Smart. I just don't understand how you cannot see that something is amiss at CIG. After four years of development they have so very little to show for it. No efficiently run team takes that long to produce so little. Doesn't that just scream mismanagement?

Exactly, we don't need DS to tell us something is wrong. The numbers are just not adding up. Three years spent, and a few demos to show for it.

And with no real showing of solid defined gameplay, you know the thing that makes games.

This FPS that is 'out before the end of this year' was ment to be out like about 5 months ago and has just been delayed, delayed, delayed. Now they are talking about dropping the 'jukes' system out of it and not having any zero g stuff when it first gets released. But wtf? their gamescon multiplayer ship 'demo' had them in zero g entering the abondond ship no?

They did not demo a large scale map, they ran a demo showing a small part of that large scale map in a 'scripted' run thought.

Smoke and Mirrors = fanboi money
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up
Oct 2, 2015, 16:14
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Re: Star Citizen Employee Article Follow-up Oct 2, 2015, 16:14
Oct 2, 2015, 16:14
 
JoeNapalm wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:21:

I agree the whole thing stinks. But I also still believe in "innocent until proven guilty"...I'd rather see SC succeed or fail on its own merits than have a bunch of unverifiable accusations from infamous trolls tear it down.

It's a dark day on the internet when people say "I have faith in Derek Smart!" What has he ever done to earn that?


-Jn-

It's innocent until proven guilty, but shouldn't we also be saying: things aren't adding up, let's investigate.
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