born2expire wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 18:22:
LOL windows 10 is a steaming POS. 8-15 second boot without video drivers in, 15+ min with video drivers, lol.
Wouldn't install on 2 of the 4 machines i tired it on, I could go on all day.
I'll give it another try in 6+ months.
Frags4Fun wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 09:36:Tom wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 00:19:Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 23:24:
Also, while some of the telemetry stuff in Windows 10 is kind of crappy, if you've ever used a smartphone, free e-mail service or social network, you're already giving away far more information on a daily basis to companies whose sole intent it to monetise it without your permission. And with most of those, you can't turn it off like you can in Windows 10. Anonymous telemetry data is small potatoes compared to how much data Facebook monetises and people happily narrate their entire lives on there.
Things move in a bad direction one small step at a time. In the long term it adds up to hardware you can't control, software you can't control, data entrusted to others to do whatever they please with, and your every move being monetized without you getting any share of the profits. And if something really bad results from any of that? Hope you like arbitration.
The excuse of "well it's just a default" didn't seem to work too well for Microsoft in the past. But thanks to the intense conditioning of social networks, smartphones, and "free" online services, I doubt anything will stop us from moving further along this path now.
We're totally screwed because of all the apologists.
Tom wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 00:19:Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 23:24:
Also, while some of the telemetry stuff in Windows 10 is kind of crappy, if you've ever used a smartphone, free e-mail service or social network, you're already giving away far more information on a daily basis to companies whose sole intent it to monetise it without your permission. And with most of those, you can't turn it off like you can in Windows 10. Anonymous telemetry data is small potatoes compared to how much data Facebook monetises and people happily narrate their entire lives on there.
Things move in a bad direction one small step at a time. In the long term it adds up to hardware you can't control, software you can't control, data entrusted to others to do whatever they please with, and your every move being monetized without you getting any share of the profits. And if something really bad results from any of that? Hope you like arbitration.
The excuse of "well it's just a default" didn't seem to work too well for Microsoft in the past. But thanks to the intense conditioning of social networks, smartphones, and "free" online services, I doubt anything will stop us from moving further along this path now.
Verno wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 09:13:
No issues with Windows 10 here, pretty solid so far and any privacy concerns are easily dealt with. Much ado about nothing from people who haven't even used it.
El Pit wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 08:56:
Gamers: It's safe to upgrade to Windows 10... unless you want to play some older game witch DRM.
Macrovision SafeDisc Ver. 2 is not your friend!
Krowen wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 07:13:InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:19:
Except, guess what? "I" control what goes on my facebook profile. "I" control, what gets sent in my gmail and what doesnt. The Android operating system on my smartphone is thoroughly rooted and is under "my" control. And while you do have a point, kind of, there has to be somewhere where you draw the line. My line is my personal PC. Thats it. For me to even install windows X I have to sign away "my" control of my PC away, for as long as I continue to use Windows, and that is a line Im not going to cross just yet..
No you don't control those things, that's laughably naive. Google keeps your data forever even after you delete your google history, Android collects insane amounts of user statistics and can only be turned off with a custom ROM. That's google the do no evil company that had to be dragged through court to even let people know this fact and still only lets them delete data in Europe. The fact that you would cite Facebook privacy settings as some sort of example shows you are really clueless about this subject, Facebooks entire business model is built on your data and it has the worst track record in this regard. Giving you a bunch of toggles does not mean companies aren't doing other things or that they even respect those choices. Ironically Microsoft is one of the companies who is more up front about these things, largely because they have to comply with all sorts of enterprise related security and privacy law.
No one cares if you want Windows 10 or not but don't try to cite hypocritical examples as some sort of reasoning when its really just your paranoia and apprehension.
InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:19:
Except, guess what? "I" control what goes on my facebook profile. "I" control, what gets sent in my gmail and what doesnt. The Android operating system on my smartphone is thoroughly rooted and is under "my" control. And while you do have a point, kind of, there has to be somewhere where you draw the line. My line is my personal PC. Thats it. For me to even install windows X I have to sign away "my" control of my PC away, for as long as I continue to use Windows, and that is a line Im not going to cross just yet..
Pr()ZaC wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 06:50:InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:25:I get that boot speed on a vanilla 8.1 installation (after BIOS post to usable Explorer) using a mechanical HDD. The system is about 5 years old.Frijoles wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 21:30:
I'm getting the same spike on one of my computers on a Samsung SSD. My other computer, also with an SSD, works just fine though. Spikes last around 20 seconds. Incredibly annoying. Boot time for me is fine though at 20 seconds with the latest nvidia drivers.
The boot time on my Win7 machine is about 5-6 seconds. (With an Intel SSD)
InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:25:I get that boot speed on a vanilla 8.1 installation (after BIOS post to usable Explorer) using a mechanical HDD. The system is about 5 years old.Frijoles wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 21:30:
I'm getting the same spike on one of my computers on a Samsung SSD. My other computer, also with an SSD, works just fine though. Spikes last around 20 seconds. Incredibly annoying. Boot time for me is fine though at 20 seconds with the latest nvidia drivers.
The boot time on my Win7 machine is about 5-6 seconds. (With an Intel SSD)
Frijoles wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 21:30:
I'm getting the same spike on one of my computers on a Samsung SSD. My other computer, also with an SSD, works just fine though. Spikes last around 20 seconds. Incredibly annoying. Boot time for me is fine though at 20 seconds with the latest nvidia drivers.
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 23:24:
Also, while some of the telemetry stuff in Windows 10 is kind of crappy, if you've ever used a smartphone, free e-mail service or social network, you're already giving away far more information on a daily basis to companies whose sole intent it to monetise it without your permission. And with most of those, you can't turn it off like you can in Windows 10. Anonymous telemetry data is small potatoes compared to how much data Facebook monetises and people happily narrate their entire lives on there.
Lorcin wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 20:00:
"there are still some other new features in Windows 10 that gamers might find desirable: the ability to stream Xbox One games to your PC"
and BACK!