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W10
Aug 9, 2015, 16:35
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W10 Aug 9, 2015, 16:35
Aug 9, 2015, 16:35
 Ant
 
I ain't touching this one and W8. I'll stick with unsupported XP SP3, W7 SP1, Linux/Debian (old)stable, Mac OS X, etc. Even Vista SP2 was decent.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 5, 2015, 17:56
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 5, 2015, 17:56
Aug 5, 2015, 17:56
 
I'm trying to grasp how a product which is an unsafe upgrade target for anyone due to the sweeping privacy and back door issues with Windows 10 somehow can be made "safe" for gamers by not having horrid performance.
I should be coding.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 17:15
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 17:15
Aug 4, 2015, 17:15
 
oh yeh? well my computer boots up BEFORE I TURN IT ON

it literally travels back in time
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 10:42
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 10:42
Aug 4, 2015, 10:42
 
born2expire wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 18:22:
LOL windows 10 is a steaming POS. 8-15 second boot without video drivers in, 15+ min with video drivers, lol.

Wouldn't install on 2 of the 4 machines i tired it on, I could go on all day.

I'll give it another try in 6+ months.

I updated from 8.1 to 10, on an old OCZ Vector SSD 512gb. Boot time after post is something like 5-10 seconds. Same if not better than my 8.1 install.

Latest nVidia WHQL drivers, all latest other drivers. I also have two Samsun 830s in my PC. Running OCZ and Samsung utilities in system tray as well.


I suggest you guys check your installs for issues.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 10:24
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 10:24
Aug 4, 2015, 10:24
 
Frags4Fun wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 09:36:
Tom wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 00:19:
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 23:24:
Also, while some of the telemetry stuff in Windows 10 is kind of crappy, if you've ever used a smartphone, free e-mail service or social network, you're already giving away far more information on a daily basis to companies whose sole intent it to monetise it without your permission. And with most of those, you can't turn it off like you can in Windows 10. Anonymous telemetry data is small potatoes compared to how much data Facebook monetises and people happily narrate their entire lives on there.

Things move in a bad direction one small step at a time. In the long term it adds up to hardware you can't control, software you can't control, data entrusted to others to do whatever they please with, and your every move being monetized without you getting any share of the profits. And if something really bad results from any of that? Hope you like arbitration.

The excuse of "well it's just a default" didn't seem to work too well for Microsoft in the past. But thanks to the intense conditioning of social networks, smartphones, and "free" online services, I doubt anything will stop us from moving further along this path now.

We're totally screwed because of all the apologists.

More like we're totally screwed because of the lobbyists.
Big business = big money and in the era off super-packs and marathon elections don't expect change soon. It's currently impossible to change privacy laws because business bring up the "impact on the bottom line" argument and all it entails and game over.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 10:00
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Aug 4, 2015, 10:00
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 09:36
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 09:36
Aug 4, 2015, 09:36
 
Tom wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 00:19:
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 23:24:
Also, while some of the telemetry stuff in Windows 10 is kind of crappy, if you've ever used a smartphone, free e-mail service or social network, you're already giving away far more information on a daily basis to companies whose sole intent it to monetise it without your permission. And with most of those, you can't turn it off like you can in Windows 10. Anonymous telemetry data is small potatoes compared to how much data Facebook monetises and people happily narrate their entire lives on there.

Things move in a bad direction one small step at a time. In the long term it adds up to hardware you can't control, software you can't control, data entrusted to others to do whatever they please with, and your every move being monetized without you getting any share of the profits. And if something really bad results from any of that? Hope you like arbitration.

The excuse of "well it's just a default" didn't seem to work too well for Microsoft in the past. But thanks to the intense conditioning of social networks, smartphones, and "free" online services, I doubt anything will stop us from moving further along this path now.

We're totally screwed because of all the apologists.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 09:20
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 09:20
Aug 4, 2015, 09:20
 
Verno wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 09:13:
No issues with Windows 10 here, pretty solid so far and any privacy concerns are easily dealt with. Much ado about nothing from people who haven't even used it.

I haven't used it, I have also not commented on it's performance and technical specs. From what Ive heard and read it looks like a pretty good OS, probably even better than Windows 7 from a pure technical standpoint. Ill still wait though, for all the reasons Ive listed previously.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 09:13
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 09:13
Aug 4, 2015, 09:13
 
No issues with Windows 10 here, pretty solid so far and any privacy concerns are easily dealt with. Much ado about nothing from people who haven't even used it.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 08:59
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 08:59
Aug 4, 2015, 08:59
nin
 
El Pit wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 08:56:
Gamers: It's safe to upgrade to Windows 10... unless you want to play some older game witch DRM.

Macrovision SafeDisc Ver. 2 is not your friend!

Once again, drm only hurts paying customers.

Hail gog!

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Always enjoyed DRM...
Aug 4, 2015, 08:56
El Pit
 
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Always enjoyed DRM... Aug 4, 2015, 08:56
Aug 4, 2015, 08:56
 El Pit
 
Gamers: It's safe to upgrade to Windows 10... unless you want to play some older game with DRM.

Macrovision SafeDisc Ver. 2 is not your friend!
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 08:44
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 08:44
Aug 4, 2015, 08:44
 
Krowen wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 07:13:
InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:19:
Except, guess what? "I" control what goes on my facebook profile. "I" control, what gets sent in my gmail and what doesnt. The Android operating system on my smartphone is thoroughly rooted and is under "my" control. And while you do have a point, kind of, there has to be somewhere where you draw the line. My line is my personal PC. Thats it. For me to even install windows X I have to sign away "my" control of my PC away, for as long as I continue to use Windows, and that is a line Im not going to cross just yet..

No you don't control those things, that's laughably naive. Google keeps your data forever even after you delete your google history, Android collects insane amounts of user statistics and can only be turned off with a custom ROM. That's google the do no evil company that had to be dragged through court to even let people know this fact and still only lets them delete data in Europe. The fact that you would cite Facebook privacy settings as some sort of example shows you are really clueless about this subject, Facebooks entire business model is built on your data and it has the worst track record in this regard. Giving you a bunch of toggles does not mean companies aren't doing other things or that they even respect those choices. Ironically Microsoft is one of the companies who is more up front about these things, largely because they have to comply with all sorts of enterprise related security and privacy law.

No one cares if you want Windows 10 or not but don't try to cite hypocritical examples as some sort of reasoning when its really just your paranoia and apprehension.

Wow, nice attack, however next time you need to aim a bit better. I have two words for you: reading comprehension.

So tell me again, how I'm not the one who controls what I enter into any given search, what pictures I upload to the internet or what I put into my emails? Maybe it's my imaginary buddy Stan who does these things, while Im not looking!?

Also tell me again, how Im the one who doesn't decide where to draw the line if I draw the line at installing programs (or in this case an entire OS) that can track everything I do on my PC.

If my line is not installing an OS that is basically malware/adware on my PC, how is that hypocritical and if no one cares, why do you sound so damn bitter about it??

This comment was edited on Aug 4, 2015, 08:50.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 08:37
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 08:37
Aug 4, 2015, 08:37
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 19:37:
Windows 10 Spyware is anything but safe.

^This
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 07:13
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 07:13
Aug 4, 2015, 07:13
 
InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:19:
Except, guess what? "I" control what goes on my facebook profile. "I" control, what gets sent in my gmail and what doesnt. The Android operating system on my smartphone is thoroughly rooted and is under "my" control. And while you do have a point, kind of, there has to be somewhere where you draw the line. My line is my personal PC. Thats it. For me to even install windows X I have to sign away "my" control of my PC away, for as long as I continue to use Windows, and that is a line Im not going to cross just yet..

No you don't control those things, that's laughably naive. Google keeps your data forever even after you delete your google history, Android collects insane amounts of user statistics and can only be turned off with a custom ROM. That's google the do no evil company that had to be dragged through court to even let people know this fact and still only lets them delete data in Europe. The fact that you would cite Facebook privacy settings as some sort of example shows you are really clueless about this subject, Facebooks entire business model is built on your data and it has the worst track record in this regard. Giving you a bunch of toggles does not mean companies aren't doing other things or that they even respect those choices. Ironically Microsoft is one of the companies who is more up front about these things, largely because they have to comply with all sorts of enterprise related security and privacy law.

No one cares if you want Windows 10 or not but don't try to cite hypocritical examples as some sort of reasoning when its really just your paranoia and apprehension.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 07:06
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 07:06
Aug 4, 2015, 07:06
 
Pr()ZaC wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 06:50:
InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:25:
Frijoles wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 21:30:

I'm getting the same spike on one of my computers on a Samsung SSD. My other computer, also with an SSD, works just fine though. Spikes last around 20 seconds. Incredibly annoying. Boot time for me is fine though at 20 seconds with the latest nvidia drivers.

The boot time on my Win7 machine is about 5-6 seconds. (With an Intel SSD)
I get that boot speed on a vanilla 8.1 installation (after BIOS post to usable Explorer) using a mechanical HDD. The system is about 5 years old.

Thats nice. How fast does it boot Windows 10 though?
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 06:50
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 06:50
Aug 4, 2015, 06:50
 
InBlack wrote on Aug 4, 2015, 03:25:
Frijoles wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 21:30:

I'm getting the same spike on one of my computers on a Samsung SSD. My other computer, also with an SSD, works just fine though. Spikes last around 20 seconds. Incredibly annoying. Boot time for me is fine though at 20 seconds with the latest nvidia drivers.

The boot time on my Win7 machine is about 5-6 seconds. (With an Intel SSD)
I get that boot speed on a vanilla 8.1 installation (after BIOS post to usable Explorer) using a mechanical HDD. The system is about 5 years old.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 03:25
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Aug 4, 2015, 03:25
 
Frijoles wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 21:30:

I'm getting the same spike on one of my computers on a Samsung SSD. My other computer, also with an SSD, works just fine though. Spikes last around 20 seconds. Incredibly annoying. Boot time for me is fine though at 20 seconds with the latest nvidia drivers.

The boot time on my Win7 machine is about 5-6 seconds. (With an Intel SSD)
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 03:19
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 03:19
Aug 4, 2015, 03:19
 
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 23:24:

Also, while some of the telemetry stuff in Windows 10 is kind of crappy, if you've ever used a smartphone, free e-mail service or social network, you're already giving away far more information on a daily basis to companies whose sole intent it to monetise it without your permission. And with most of those, you can't turn it off like you can in Windows 10. Anonymous telemetry data is small potatoes compared to how much data Facebook monetises and people happily narrate their entire lives on there.

Except, guess what? "I" control what goes on my facebook profile. "I" control, what gets sent in my gmail and what doesnt. The Android operating system on my smartphone is thoroughly rooted and is under "my" control. And while you do have a point, kind of, there has to be somewhere where you draw the line. My line is my personal PC. Thats it. For me to even install windows X I have to sign away "my" control of my PC away, for as long as I continue to use Windows, and that is a line Im not going to cross just yet.

AFAIK Windows is not free in my country yet (not even for 8.1 users) and probably wont be, so Im in no rush to upgrade (130$ for the Home edition). Im going to wait and see, and will only upgrade once DX12 games start hitting and only then if it's cost effective and if there is a way to securely and permanently disable the phone home stuff.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 03:13
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Aug 4, 2015, 03:13
 
Lorcin wrote on Aug 3, 2015, 20:00:
"there are still some other new features in Windows 10 that gamers might find desirable: the ability to stream Xbox One games to your PC"

and BACK!

Hehehe, never underestimate the ability of gaming media to suck up to the newest, hottest, steaming pile of shit on the market! Windows is soooooo good for you! *wink* *wink* Gorgeous
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Aug 4, 2015, 02:20
NKD
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Aug 4, 2015, 02:20
Aug 4, 2015, 02:20
NKD
 
Haven't had any gaming related issues since upgrading. About like you'd expect considering Windows has just been getting iterative upgrades for years without changing any underlying fundamentals that would break games.

Honestly I've never had any gaming related issues upgrading Windows with the exception of going from DOS/Win3.11 to Win95, which I did early on and ended up breaking 90% of my games. Even the much maligned Vista didn't meaningfully impact what I could play or how well anything ran on my system.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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