InBlack wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 03:51:Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:40:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship
What? My comment obviously applies to this case as well. Either we let women compete with men in non-physical sports or we admit our hypocrisy!
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:40:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:40:InBlack wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:37:Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.
Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.
EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.
Why the fuck are there 2 tournaments anyway? I dont see how being female, male, transgender gay, straight, shit-faced, etc. makes a difference in a fucking E-sport!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship
InBlack wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:37:Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.
Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.
EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.
Why the fuck are there 2 tournaments anyway? I dont see how being female, male, transgender gay, straight, shit-faced, etc. makes a difference in a fucking E-sport!
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.
Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.
EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.
Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.
EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.
""Gay" here doesn't mean homosexual, as we'd use it in the US or Europe. It's the English word used in the Philippines as the analog for the tagalog word "bakla." Bakla are, in the simplest terms, people who are born as men, present themselves as women, but unlike transgender women, they do not identify as women. They don't identify as men, either. They identify as "bakla" or "gay."
So when the tournament says that a team can have only one transgender woman or gay, it has nothing to do with lesbians. It is targeting people who identify as bakla/gay. This is super confusing outside of the region, but I expect that this announcement was written to communicate with people who would understand the meaning."
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 01:25:PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 01:14:Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
Well, I wasn't kidding about not knowing much about it...I figured "all feminine tournament" meant the tournament was only using female characters. I really don't follow e-sports at all.
On the other hand, I'm not sure it changes anything... I guess it didn't occur to me that they would separate the field between male and female participants for e-sports when there's no real difference to give an advantage to justify it.
Yeah, I didn't read the article either, and had the same problem. Why are they having separate gender-based tournaments to begin with?
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 01:14:Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
Well, I wasn't kidding about not knowing much about it...I figured "all feminine tournament" meant the tournament was only using female characters. I really don't follow e-sports at all.
On the other hand, I'm not sure it changes anything... I guess it didn't occur to me that they would separate the field between male and female participants for e-sports when there's no real difference to give an advantage to justify it.
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.
Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.
eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 3, 2015, 18:34:
Requiring disclose of sexual orientation before the event is even more questionable... in fact, it might be illegal.
As an explanation, the post described Garena's aims "to have an inclusive environment where no one feels left out," but then went on to claim that gay and transgender players "may probably have some unfair advantage."