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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 10:16
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 10:16
Feb 4, 2015, 10:16
 
Alright, I understand where you're coming from, and I largely agree.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 09:57
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 09:57
Feb 4, 2015, 09:57
 
Im not disagreeing with you. The hypocrisy is layered, but the gist of it is that men and women are not equals in terms of either physical or (certain) mental abilites. The second part is disputed and rightly so because there is no empirical data, because of cultural taboos and imperatives no research is being pursued to verify that, and obviously any active direct competition which might proove or disproove the point is discouraged or even outright frowned upon. Hence the male/female seperation in all things of a competitive nature.

Call me a sexist bigot or whatever, but before you do that note that Im not stating that men are superiour in any way to women. The hypocrisy lies in the liberal trumpeting of equality in everything, while everyone turns a blind eye to the fact that there are obvious large physical and probably (equaly large) siginificant mental differences between the genders.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 09:38
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 09:38
Feb 4, 2015, 09:38
 
InBlack wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 03:51:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:40:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship

What? My comment obviously applies to this case as well. Either we let women compete with men in non-physical sports or we admit our hypocrisy!

'Let' suggests that what's happening here is a clear case of "women want desperately to compete with men, but darn it, the Powers That Be won't allow that.

What may well be happening is a fear that if there isn't a female-specific tournament, there may well be no female presence in this area whatsoever. Not for lack of women joining, but for lack of the ones who exist getting very far at all.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 03:51
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 03:51
Feb 4, 2015, 03:51
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:40:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship

What? My comment obviously applies to this case as well. Either we let women compete with men in non-physical sports or we admit our hypocrisy!
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 02:52
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 02:52
Feb 4, 2015, 02:52
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:40:
InBlack wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:37:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.

Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.


Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.

EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.

Why the fuck are there 2 tournaments anyway? I dont see how being female, male, transgender gay, straight, shit-faced, etc. makes a difference in a fucking E-sport!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship

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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 02:40
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 02:40
Feb 4, 2015, 02:40
 
InBlack wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 02:37:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.

Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.


Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.

EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.

Why the fuck are there 2 tournaments anyway? I dont see how being female, male, transgender gay, straight, shit-faced, etc. makes a difference in a fucking E-sport!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 02:37
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 02:37
Feb 4, 2015, 02:37
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.

Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.


Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.

EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.

Why the fuck are there 2 tournaments anyway? I dont see how being female, male, transgender gay, straight, shit-faced, etc. makes a difference in a fucking E-sport!
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 02:36
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 02:36
Feb 4, 2015, 02:36
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.

Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.


Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.

EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.

EDIT2: Ahh there we go, somebody on Facebook cleared up the "gay" part about the rule. I guess I was right about the translation error.

""Gay" here doesn't mean homosexual, as we'd use it in the US or Europe. It's the English word used in the Philippines as the analog for the tagalog word "bakla." Bakla are, in the simplest terms, people who are born as men, present themselves as women, but unlike transgender women, they do not identify as women. They don't identify as men, either. They identify as "bakla" or "gay."
So when the tournament says that a team can have only one transgender woman or gay, it has nothing to do with lesbians. It is targeting people who identify as bakla/gay. This is super confusing outside of the region, but I expect that this announcement was written to communicate with people who would understand the meaning."

Filipino 3rd gender. Also explains their use of "feminine tournament" instead of "female" or "women's"

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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 01:35
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 01:35
Feb 4, 2015, 01:35
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 01:25:
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 01:14:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

Well, I wasn't kidding about not knowing much about it...I figured "all feminine tournament" meant the tournament was only using female characters. I really don't follow e-sports at all.

On the other hand, I'm not sure it changes anything... I guess it didn't occur to me that they would separate the field between male and female participants for e-sports when there's no real difference to give an advantage to justify it.

Yeah, I didn't read the article either, and had the same problem. Why are they having separate gender-based tournaments to begin with?

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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 01:25
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 01:25
Feb 4, 2015, 01:25
 
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 01:14:
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

Well, I wasn't kidding about not knowing much about it...I figured "all feminine tournament" meant the tournament was only using female characters. I really don't follow e-sports at all.

On the other hand, I'm not sure it changes anything... I guess it didn't occur to me that they would separate the field between male and female participants for e-sports when there's no real difference to give an advantage to justify it.

Yeah, I didn't read the article either, and had the same problem. Why are they having separate gender-based tournaments to begin with?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 01:14
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 01:14
Feb 4, 2015, 01:14
 
Sepharo wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:39:
Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

Well, I wasn't kidding about not knowing much about it...I figured "all feminine tournament" meant the tournament was only using female characters. I really don't follow e-sports at all.

On the other hand, I'm not sure it changes anything... I guess it didn't occur to me that they would separate the field between male and female participants for e-sports when there's no real difference to give an advantage to justify it.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 00:39
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 00:39
Feb 4, 2015, 00:39
 
PropheT wrote on Feb 4, 2015, 00:29:
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.

Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.


Posts like these would make sense if there wasn't two separate tournaments.

I think many organizers, especially just a few years ago, wouldn't allow trans gamers on the team at all. But they are allowing it now and unfortunately have put restrictions on it to prevent abuse. It sounds ridiculous but maybe they've already encountered side switching not done in good faith (for lack of a better phrase). Obviously the solution is to just do away with the separate tournaments or if there's opposition to that make a third co-ed tournament.

EDIT: You know what, the "gay" part of this rule is really weird. I was initially not comprehending that I guess. I hope that's a translation error.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 4, 2015, 00:29
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 4, 2015, 00:29
Feb 4, 2015, 00:29
 
I'm not incredibly fond of the entire idea of e-sports in the first place, but if there's any one thing that stands out about the potential it has it's that short of an outright disability nobody has an unfair advantage over another based on any physical criteria.

Unless pros these days have learned to whack the spacebar with their penis in tournaments or something for an APM advantage, I guess I don't follow it closely enough to know.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 3, 2015, 23:26
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 3, 2015, 23:26
Feb 3, 2015, 23:26
 
We are talking about "e-sports" here. Does anyone really have an unfair advantage?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 3, 2015, 19:32
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 3, 2015, 19:32
Feb 3, 2015, 19:32
 
Diversity quotas are bad no matter who they're placed on. Here's an example of it being a different group than it normally is.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 3, 2015, 18:44
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 3, 2015, 18:44
Feb 3, 2015, 18:44
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 3, 2015, 18:34:
Requiring disclose of sexual orientation before the event is even more questionable... in fact, it might be illegal.

Illegal in Singapore? More like encouraged. Singapore is an Orwellian state. You couldn't pay me to go there.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 3, 2015, 18:35
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Feb 3, 2015, 18:35
Feb 3, 2015, 18:35
 
As an explanation, the post described Garena's aims "to have an inclusive environment where no one feels left out," but then went on to claim that gay and transgender players "may probably have some unfair advantage."

Scientific proof of said advantage, or DIAF. Your choice.
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Feb 3, 2015, 18:34
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Feb 3, 2015, 18:34
 
Requiring disclose of sexual orientation before the event is even more questionable... in fact, it might be illegal.
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