Far Cry 4 Key Revocation Follow-ups

Ubisoft has commented further on their recent revocation of Far Cry 4 game keys, which they said at the time were fraudulently obtained. In a statement on Eurogamer.net they explain these keys were purchased illegally through Origin: "In this case, we confirmed activation keys were recently purchased from EA's Origin store using fraudulent credit card information and then resold online. These keys may have been deactivated. Customers who may have been impacted should contact the vendor where they purchased the key for a refund." They also have a statement from a representative of game key vendor Kinguin about the situation, which is similar to this recent statement from them on GameInformer.com (thanks Cutter):
A representative tells us that the storefront has “one of the lowest fraud rates in the industry.” The company says that all sellers go through a vetting process and the site offers a “100 percent Buyer Protection” guarantee.

“The current case raised by Ubisoft is surely unfair towards the players. The banned game copies in question were acquired through licensed wholesale distributors and as such the origin of the ‘keys’ is the publisher himself,” Kinguin chief marketing officer Bartłomiej Skarbiński told us via email. “From the gamer point of view its like going out to the store, purchasing a copy of the game, taking it home and suddenly a knock-knock on the door with Ubisoft representative taking the copy away - not even asking you as a paying customer to return it.”

Skarbiński questions whether the publisher had the right to deactivate the keys. “We believe Ubisoft had no legal basis for its action,” he tells us. “They did it just because they simply can. Kinguin of course is not going to challenge Ubisoft in court as we are not match up for these giants. We will continue to focus on customer's satisfaction and our customers know we have never let them down.”
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Jan 30, 2015, 09:17
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HorrorScope wrote on Jan 29, 2015, 23:59:
I've always known inside when I go somewhere just to buy a key and it is discounted the way they are, flags are raised. So if one got burnt here learn, one of the cheaper lessons you'll learn.
Steam and GMG regularly have sales of 50-75%, even on recently released titles. The fact that a game is cheap is not an indication that it was acquired fraudulently and will be revoked. As I pointed out, third-party services like TrustPilot show the sites in question to have a good reputation.

At the end of the day consumers have no way of knowing which sites are authorised and which are not, something Ubisoft is equally to blame for. They paid for a product and Ubisoft simply removed it without warning or explanation. Ubisoft should take the issue up with the retailer, not the consumer. The matter is made all the worse by that fact that Ubisoft was paying YouTube personalities to promote their games and the sites in question were being linked to.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
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theyarecomingforyou wrote on Jan 29, 2015, 08:51:
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 11:13:
As we advocate around here, read and teach yourself. Starting at a young age the saying "If it is too good to be true" applies here. If you get burnt, it is simply another lesson in life, as bad as this is, it didn't cost you that much for a lesson, in fact you got a discounted lesson charge, right?
Actually, no. TrustPilot shows G2A and Kinguin to be reputable websites. Consumers have no reason to suspect trouble. It's like credit card breaches at Target and Chick-fil-A, consumers have no reason to suspect any issues when paying by card.

The issue here is that Ubisoft is shifting the burden. Rather than accepting the loss and taking action to prevent credit card fraud it simply deactivates games and screws over consumers who thought they had bought a legitimate version. Consumers have no way of knowing what goes on behind the scenes - all they see is Ubisoft fucking them over.

Really it is the banks who should be held responsible. If a purchase is made using a stolen credit card then the bank should be responsible for the charges made, which would incentivise them to improve security.

I've always known inside when I go somewhere just to buy a key and it is discounted the way they are, flags are raised. So if one got burnt here learn, one of the cheaper lessons you'll learn.

If it were heaven, then I would totally lean a different view, but you have to know your surroundings.
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Jan 29, 2015, 18:46
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Jan 29, 2015, 18:46
 
Ubisoft is creating FUD. There are plenty of business rating sites and they say Kinguin is fine.
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Jan 29, 2015, 09:33
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Jan 29, 2015, 09:33
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 29, 2015, 09:25:
Verno wrote on Jan 29, 2015, 09:16:
I don't know, I generally like playing games with my friends.

Well, I don't I play games as form of escapism, not to socialize.

There is an obvious retort I'm going to resist making here

To each his own, its a great market where we all get the choices we want.

Caveat Emptor on these key sites people.
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Jan 29, 2015, 09:25
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Jan 29, 2015, 09:25
 
Verno wrote on Jan 29, 2015, 09:16:
I don't know, I generally like playing games with my friends.

Well, I don't I play games as form of escapism, not to socialize.
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Jan 29, 2015, 09:16
 
I don't know, I generally like playing games with my friends.
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Jan 29, 2015, 08:57
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Jan 29, 2015, 08:57
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 29, 2015, 08:29:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 21:06:
SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:40:
Quinn wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:30:
Kinguin is the absolute shit! Bought tens of games there since I found out they sell for the lowest price. 25+ games and not a single problem with these guys.
Dying Light cost $54 on Kinguin and $59 on Steam.
I better off getting games from GMG with their 20%-30% codes

Edit: I see Kinguin has a steam code gift option also for $47, again same price as GMG

Hah.. GMG...
This product is not available in your region. Sorry!

Or to sum it up

Why I don't buy games from GMG anymore 1:1 prices and region lock. Not a dolt better than uPlay
They don't have control over what games can be sold at what region, that's controlled by the publisher.
I can not buy Grey Goo from them for example because it is not available in NA
Some games however available everywhere like GTA5 for example and they always have a coupon floating around for a minimum of 20% off.
Not to mention if you link up your Steam account with them you get money back for certain achievements from games.
I think I have like $5 on my account for doing nothing but playing the games.
To each their own I guess but I much prefer GMG over any shady key seller sites any day.

The thing is the key sites I used worked fine and shipped working keys always on-time Grey Goo isn't available to me either.

And hell would freeze over before I linked my steam account to some UK service like Playfire. ^^ I absolutely HATE this social gaming shit.
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Jan 29, 2015, 08:51
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Jan 29, 2015, 08:51
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 11:13:
As we advocate around here, read and teach yourself. Starting at a young age the saying "If it is too good to be true" applies here. If you get burnt, it is simply another lesson in life, as bad as this is, it didn't cost you that much for a lesson, in fact you got a discounted lesson charge, right?
Actually, no. TrustPilot shows G2A and Kinguin to be reputable websites. Consumers have no reason to suspect trouble. It's like credit card breaches at Target and Chick-fil-A, consumers have no reason to suspect any issues when paying by card.

The issue here is that Ubisoft is shifting the burden. Rather than accepting the loss and taking action to prevent credit card fraud it simply deactivates games and screws over consumers who thought they had bought a legitimate version. Consumers have no way of knowing what goes on behind the scenes - all they see is Ubisoft fucking them over.

Really it is the banks who should be held responsible. If a purchase is made using a stolen credit card then the bank should be responsible for the charges made, which would incentivise them to improve security.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
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Jan 29, 2015, 08:29
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Jan 29, 2015, 08:29
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 21:06:
SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:40:
Quinn wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:30:
Kinguin is the absolute shit! Bought tens of games there since I found out they sell for the lowest price. 25+ games and not a single problem with these guys.
Dying Light cost $54 on Kinguin and $59 on Steam.
I better off getting games from GMG with their 20%-30% codes

Edit: I see Kinguin has a steam code gift option also for $47, again same price as GMG

Hah.. GMG...
This product is not available in your region. Sorry!

Or to sum it up

Why I don't buy games from GMG anymore 1:1 prices and region lock. Not a dolt better than uPlay
They don't have control over what games can be sold at what region, that's controlled by the publisher.
I can not buy Grey Goo from them for example because it is not available in NA
Some games however available everywhere like GTA5 for example and they always have a coupon floating around for a minimum of 20% off.
Not to mention if you link up your Steam account with them you get money back for certain achievements from games.
I think I have like $5 on my account for doing nothing but playing the games.
To each their own I guess but I much prefer GMG over any shady key seller sites any day.
Steam: SpectralMeat
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Jan 28, 2015, 21:06
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Jan 28, 2015, 21:06
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:40:
Quinn wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:30:
Kinguin is the absolute shit! Bought tens of games there since I found out they sell for the lowest price. 25+ games and not a single problem with these guys.
Dying Light cost $54 on Kinguin and $59 on Steam.
I better off getting games from GMG with their 20%-30% codes

Edit: I see Kinguin has a steam code gift option also for $47, again same price as GMG

Hah.. GMG...
This product is not available in your region. Sorry!

Or to sum it up

Why I don't buy games from GMG anymore 1:1 prices and region lock. Not a dolt better than uPlay
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Jan 28, 2015, 20:11
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HorrorScope wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 17:49:
There is some truth in that but...

1. How does a person know this fuels organized crime? It's a sale, who knows really, right? Do you have proof? Is it readily available?

2. $40+ dollar games are now considered expensive, so people wanting to get a bargain, get that.

3. Wages have been stagnent while cost of living continues to rise, what can one expect? Amazon and Wal Mart are popular due to low prices.

4. There is still a cheaper place they could go, right?

1. That is a good point. These days, you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that the "Rolex" you bought for $10 from some Manhattan sidewalk vendor is the real thing, and most people who buy them know full well what they're getting. But these sites look legit, and it's made more confusing by the existence of legitimate discount sites like GMG. Consumers need to be educated about the nature of these cheap key sites.

2. Game pricing has not tracked inflation. The price for a new AAA game today is about the same in numerical amount as they were 15 years ago. The $60 price point is relatively new for PC games though.

3. We're talking about people who can afford to buy a gaming PC. Maybe I'm being presumptuous but someone who can spend $1000+ on a new rig shouldn't be bankrupted by the full price for a new AAA game. If that is the case, then perhaps playing games shouldn't be a top priority, though I understand the trend nowadays is to externalize your personal problems on everyone else.

4. Yep, and honestly I don't see much of a difference between pirating and purchasing from a place like Kinguin. The devs won't see a cent of that money. Depending on how widespread the CC fraud is, it could be a net loss for the devs.
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Jan 28, 2015, 19:40
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Jan 28, 2015, 19:40
 
Quinn wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 19:30:
Kinguin is the absolute shit! Bought tens of games there since I found out they sell for the lowest price. 25+ games and not a single problem with these guys.
Dying Light cost $54 on Kinguin and $59 on Steam.
I better off getting games from GMG with their 20%-30% codes

Edit: I see Kinguin has a steam code gift option also for $47, again same price as GMG
Steam: SpectralMeat
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Jan 28, 2015, 19:30
 
Kinguin is the absolute shit! Bought tens of games there since I found out they sell for the lowest price. 25+ games and not a single problem with these guys.
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Jan 28, 2015, 17:49
 
dubfanatic wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 17:46:
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 15:55:
They laundered the money through these key selling sites. It's common with key stores for large batches of keys to be used by the providers as a way to launder money and get away with credit card fraud like this.

You hear that, all of you entitled brats who think it's cool to save money by buying cheap keys? You are responsible for the increase in CC fraud. You are fueling organized crime. It's your fault that some hapless people now have to deal with unwanted charges on their bills. But hey, it's all good as long as you can get them cheap gamez right?

There is some truth in that but...

1. How does a person know this fuels organized crime? It's a sale, who knows really, right? Do you have proof? Is it readily available?

2. $40+ dollar games are now considered expensive, so people wanting to get a bargain, get that.

3. Wages have been stagnent while cost of living continues to rise, what can one expect? Amazon and Wal Mart are popular due to low prices.

4. There is still a cheaper place they could go, right?
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Jan 28, 2015, 17:48
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Jan 28, 2015, 17:48
 
Satoru wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 16:10:
I see Kinguin is playing coy. As if "oh sorry we had no idea these '3rd party resellers' were selling stolen game its not our fault! boo hoo!"

They can go pound sand. They know exactly what happened and they don't care.

Just like the Sniper Elite 3, some shady cd-key shop comes out and has OUTRAGE over their shady business model, blames the publisher, and says they will 'take legal action'. Guess what they did. JACK. Because they HAVE no legal recourse. They're just all bluster.

They sell stolen keys. ANd somehow Ubisoft is to blame?

THIS.
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http://tinyurl.com/starlightsociety/
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Jan 28, 2015, 17:46
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 15:55:
They laundered the money through these key selling sites. It's common with key stores for large batches of keys to be used by the providers as a way to launder money and get away with credit card fraud like this.

You hear that, all of you entitled brats who think it's cool to save money by buying cheap keys? You are responsible for the increase in CC fraud. You are fueling organized crime. It's your fault that some hapless people now have to deal with unwanted charges on their bills. But hey, it's all good as long as you can get them cheap gamez right?
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Jan 28, 2015, 17:46
 
Creston wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 10:45:
Kajetan wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 10:42:
2. Because it WISE to not hurt your customers. As i remember Adobe once contacted several hundred customers with "counterfeit" serials and offered them legit ones for free. Adobe came out as the good guy, it was perfect PR story, costing them nearly nothing.

This. 100000 times this.

The difference between Adobe and Ubisoft in terms of operating costs, development costs, profit margins, business models, and well, about everything, really, is also about 100,000 times this, so no, not this at all.

Shady key resellers get exactly what they deserve, and people who buy from shady sources get what they deserve as well.
Cliff "Devinoch" Hicks
Host of the Starlight Society Podcast
http://tinyurl.com/starlightsociety/
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DangerDog wrote on Jan 28, 2015, 15:36:
I could see maybe one or two keys being purchased with a stolen CC but why wouldn't Origin red flag a sale for say more than five keys on one credit card.

And what of the people who did the CC fraud in the first place, I guess they got away with it.

Why should Origin care? People buy games for their friends all the time.
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I use g2a and hope the keys don't give me any issues in the future. Thus far they've worked great and I got some great deals there.
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Jan 28, 2015, 16:10
 
I see Kinguin is playing coy. As if "oh sorry we had no idea these '3rd party resellers' were selling stolen game its not our fault! boo hoo!"

They can go pound sand. They know exactly what happened and they don't care.

Just like the Sniper Elite 3, some shady cd-key shop comes out and has OUTRAGE over their shady business model, blames the publisher, and says they will 'take legal action'. Guess what they did. JACK. Because they HAVE no legal recourse. They're just all bluster.

They sell stolen keys. ANd somehow Ubisoft is to blame?
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