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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 14:19
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 14:19
Nov 7, 2014, 14:19
 
Trying to politicize ebola is pretty distasteful and stating something doesn't make it true. Quarantines make sense in some cases and don't in others. A general quarantine of any who traveled to a country or all affected countries doesn't make a lot of sense for the aforementioned reasons and the government is acting on advice from qualified health organizations instead of panicked people on the internet. So far its serving us pretty well, there is no evidence of any significant impact from ebola in this country.

You seem to believe more in the presidents power than I do, realistically his ability to limit the spread of news regarding something this incendiary is nil in my mind. His political capital is spent and we own the house top to bottom anyway. No one is going to keep a secret about this, if theres something worth knowing it's going to leak and get reported on. Why give in to media fear mongering? It's silly and pointless. There are many things to fear in this life and if I was traveling to west africa I would be more concerned but based on the evidence, not speculation, I don't see any reason to fear.

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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 12:31
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 12:31
Nov 7, 2014, 12:31
 
Of course my point that there's very valid reasons people in quarantine should be there gets overshadowed with unrelated political spin, false assumptions and sensationalism by the same few goofs everytime.

I stated reasons it makes sense to quarantine, from facts about the known cases here to facts about the virus and the potus incompetence, nothing more.
Yours truly,

Axis
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 11:17
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 11:17
Nov 7, 2014, 11:17
 
Verno wrote on Nov 7, 2014, 10:31:
Yeahyeah Yeah wrote on Nov 7, 2014, 09:29:
No one's claiming that a secret pandemic is going on. They're claiming that an actual and obvious pandemic is going on in some countries, and we'd not like it to spread here. One way to help with that is a quarantine.

This has all been covered though by the CDC, WHO and other health bodies. Quarantines with Ebola are difficult to enforce and make contact tracing more difficult which is actually more crucial to preventing outbreaks. The incubation time is a significant factor as well and makes a quarantine very unlikely to be effective. That's without going into the large economic impact of blanket quarantines and the possibility that people will go overland into neighboring countries without quarantine measures anyway.

So? If that sort of comparison held water, we'd have shut down the gun control debate years ago with 'gun-related deaths don't matter'.

It's just context so that people stop freaking out over unlikely, extreme possibilities. Ebola is nowhere near as easily spread as something like influenza. I'd certainly worry about ebola if I was traveling to Sierra Leone but it's nothing to lose sleep over living in Texas (yes, even with a confirmed case).

People keep believing shit like "ebola can live on a dry surface for days, which means it's guaranteed to be all over subways!" missing the word "can.' And people don't understand what conditions in Western Africa are relative to here, which not only leads to significantly more transfers there (but the R0 is still ridiculously low) to a much higher mortality rate over there.

Who was it on this board that argued with me that R0 wasn't worse than HIV because HIV is spread out over years. That was the single funniest misunderstanding of ebola I've seen here.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 10:31
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 10:31
Nov 7, 2014, 10:31
 
Yeahyeah Yeah wrote on Nov 7, 2014, 09:29:
No one's claiming that a secret pandemic is going on. They're claiming that an actual and obvious pandemic is going on in some countries, and we'd not like it to spread here. One way to help with that is a quarantine.

This has all been covered though by the CDC, WHO and other health bodies. Quarantines with Ebola are difficult to enforce and make contact tracing more difficult which is actually more crucial to preventing outbreaks. The incubation time is a significant factor as well and makes a quarantine very unlikely to be effective. That's without going into the large economic impact of blanket quarantines and the possibility that people will go overland into neighboring countries without quarantine measures anyway.

So? If that sort of comparison held water, we'd have shut down the gun control debate years ago with 'gun-related deaths don't matter'.

It's just context so that people stop freaking out over unlikely, extreme possibilities. Ebola is nowhere near as easily spread as something like influenza. I'd certainly worry about ebola if I was traveling to Sierra Leone but it's nothing to lose sleep over living in Texas (yes, even with a confirmed case).

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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 09:29
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 09:29
Nov 7, 2014, 09:29
 
Verno wrote on Nov 7, 2014, 09:11:
Ebola is not a significant risk to our country given how its transmitted, sorry man but Fox News and CNN lied to you. There is no secret pandemic going on.

No one's claiming that a secret pandemic is going on. They're claiming that an actual and obvious pandemic is going on in some countries, and we'd not like it to spread here. One way to help with that is a quarantine.

Blaming Ebola on Obama is just weird agenda pushing too.

If Obama puts his foot down against quarantines and we end up with deaths, infections and heightened risk of such, then yeah, he shoulders some blame.

Missing the forest for the trees, more people will die of the flu than they will Ebola.

So? If that sort of comparison held water, we'd have shut down the gun control debate years ago with 'gun-related deaths don't matter'.

I'm pretty sure science supports the notion that quarantines help reduce the spread of infection.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 09:11
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 09:11
Nov 7, 2014, 09:11
 
Axis wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 18:20:
People have NO CLUE how utterly dangerous Ebola is, you go to heavily infected countries (for any reason) and come back, you BET you better be quarantined.

We get ONE case here and it shuts down the entire hospital damn near, flights, busses, places visited. Nurses, doctors, workers you think they're gonna stick around for long? Would you?

It's something you don't mess with, and these selfish ass whiners can go fuck themselves (science based my ass, almost nothing is scientifically proven about ebola, however we DO factually know transmission in up to 12% of cases can no show no symptoms for much longer than 21 days, can live on dry surfaces for several days and has a 75% kill rate. ONE slipped case has the potential to kill many innocent people.

And now we have Obama stopping the media from reporting almost everything about ebola, which is why it seems to have "gone away". Inept, incompetent president on every level -- You all better pray it doesn't spread, forget panic - just be smart and use your head. Now is NOT the time for bullshit political correctness.

This level of paranoia can't be healthy at all.

Ebola is not a significant risk to our country given how its transmitted, sorry man but Fox News and CNN lied to you. There is no secret pandemic going on. Blaming Ebola on Obama is just weird agenda pushing too. Missing the forest for the trees, more people will die of the flu than they will Ebola.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 08:57
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 08:57
Nov 7, 2014, 08:57
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InBlack wrote on Nov 7, 2014, 03:46:
Axis wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 18:20:
People have NO CLUE how utterly dangerous Ebola is, you go to heavily infected countries (for any reason) and come back, you BET you better be quarantined.

We get ONE case here and it shuts down the entire hospital damn near, flights, busses, places visited. Nurses, doctors, workers you think they're gonna stick around for long? Would you?

It's something you don't mess with, and these selfish ass whiners can go fuck themselves (science based my ass, almost nothing is scientifically proven about ebola, however we DO factually know transmission in up to 12% of cases can no show no symptoms for much longer than 21 days, can live on dry surfaces for several days and has a 75% kill rate. ONE slipped case has the potential to kill many innocent people.

And now we have Obama stopping the media from reporting almost everything about ebola, which is why it seems to have "gone away". Inept, incompetent president on every level -- You all better pray it doesn't spread, forget panic - just be smart and use your head. Now is NOT the time for bullshit political correctness.

Man you have some serious issues.

Literally.


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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 7, 2014, 03:46
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 7, 2014, 03:46
Nov 7, 2014, 03:46
 
Axis wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 18:20:
People have NO CLUE how utterly dangerous Ebola is, you go to heavily infected countries (for any reason) and come back, you BET you better be quarantined.

We get ONE case here and it shuts down the entire hospital damn near, flights, busses, places visited. Nurses, doctors, workers you think they're gonna stick around for long? Would you?

It's something you don't mess with, and these selfish ass whiners can go fuck themselves (science based my ass, almost nothing is scientifically proven about ebola, however we DO factually know transmission in up to 12% of cases can no show no symptoms for much longer than 21 days, can live on dry surfaces for several days and has a 75% kill rate. ONE slipped case has the potential to kill many innocent people.

And now we have Obama stopping the media from reporting almost everything about ebola, which is why it seems to have "gone away". Inept, incompetent president on every level -- You all better pray it doesn't spread, forget panic - just be smart and use your head. Now is NOT the time for bullshit political correctness.

Man you have some serious issues. If you are going to bring up statistics how bout you bring up virulence. You have no clue what Im talking about do you?
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 23:00
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 23:00
Nov 6, 2014, 23:00
 
Ebola amounted to nothing here other than a good week for the press to feed dim minds who believe everything they read in bolded font size 20 headlines.

That quote below is incredibly disturbing by the way. To think that people so utterly deluded make it into power is frightening. Yep God will take care of everything doobie doo don't worry about anything except lining my pockets thanks.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 21:38
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 21:38
Nov 6, 2014, 21:38
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Pigeon wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 21:22:
Axis wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 20:17:
NKD wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 19:40:
Ebola panickers are fucking ignorant putzes on par with climate deniers and anti-vaxxers, but there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution a bit. It's not like thousands of Americans are being indefinitely detained.

Says the climate panickers...

Don't worry, Senator Inhofe will soon be chairing the Environmental and Public Works Committee. He's a man grounded in solid scientific, evidence based, theory:
“[T]he Genesis 8:22 that I use in there is that ‘as long as the earth remains there will be seed time and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night.’ My point is, God’s still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous.”

I'm sure he's got some great ideas on dealing with Ebola as well.

We'll replace quarantines with faith healing prayer circles. That should work right? God damn how fucked up must a country be to have their most influential politician on the environment be a CLIMATE DENYING RELIGIOUS NUT?
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 21:22
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 21:22
Nov 6, 2014, 21:22
 
Axis wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 20:17:
NKD wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 19:40:
Ebola panickers are fucking ignorant putzes on par with climate deniers and anti-vaxxers, but there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution a bit. It's not like thousands of Americans are being indefinitely detained.

Says the climate panickers...

Don't worry, Senator Inhofe will soon be chairing the Environmental and Public Works Committee. He's a man grounded in solid scientific, evidence based, theory:
“[T]he Genesis 8:22 that I use in there is that ‘as long as the earth remains there will be seed time and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night.’ My point is, God’s still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous.”

I'm sure he's got some great ideas on dealing with Ebola as well.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 20:40
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 20:40
Nov 6, 2014, 20:40
 
How the hell did a disease become a partisan issue?
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 20:17
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 20:17
Nov 6, 2014, 20:17
 
NKD wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 19:40:
Ebola panickers are fucking ignorant putzes on par with climate deniers and anti-vaxxers, but there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution a bit. It's not like thousands of Americans are being indefinitely detained.

Says the climate panickers...
Yours truly,

Axis
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 19:40
NKD
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 19:40
Nov 6, 2014, 19:40
NKD
 
Ebola panickers are fucking ignorant putzes on par with climate deniers and anti-vaxxers, but there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution a bit. It's not like thousands of Americans are being indefinitely detained.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 19:34
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 19:34
Nov 6, 2014, 19:34
 
It is 21 days to be safe. It isn't they are just taking you for no reason at all and putting you in prison. It is part of the process if you want to help those with Ebola, great for you doing this, but there will be a 21 day "safe" period for all involved. Thank you for understanding we are doing are best to contain a dangerous infectious disease. Nothing personal at all, nothing. Safety first, right?

I wasn't one yelling doomsday, but there is common sense and doing everything we can to make sure it doesn't spread.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 18:59
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 18:59
Nov 6, 2014, 18:59
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 6, 2014, 18:56:
We've had more than one case here. No problems. Not a single person that's contracted it in the states has died.

You know, because our medical system isn't huts in swamps like it is in much of Western Africa.

Lets keep it that way.
Yours truly,

Axis
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 18:56
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 18:56
Nov 6, 2014, 18:56
 
We've had more than one case here. No problems. Not a single person that's contracted it in the states has died.

You know, because our medical system isn't huts in swamps like it is in much of Western Africa.
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Re: Evening Safety Dance
Nov 6, 2014, 18:20
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Re: Evening Safety Dance Nov 6, 2014, 18:20
Nov 6, 2014, 18:20
 
People have NO CLUE how utterly dangerous Ebola is, you go to heavily infected countries (for any reason) and come back, you BET you better be quarantined.

We get ONE case here and it shuts down the entire hospital damn near, flights, busses, places visited. Nurses, doctors, workers you think they're gonna stick around for long? Would you?

It's something you don't mess with, and these selfish ass whiners can go fuck themselves (science based my ass, almost nothing is scientifically proven about ebola, however we DO factually know transmission in up to 12% of cases can no show no symptoms for much longer than 21 days, can live on dry surfaces for several days and has a 75% kill rate. ONE slipped case has the potential to kill many innocent people.

And now we have Obama stopping the media from reporting almost everything about ebola, which is why it seems to have "gone away". Inept, incompetent president on every level -- You all better pray it doesn't spread, forget panic - just be smart and use your head. Now is NOT the time for bullshit political correctness.

This comment was edited on Nov 6, 2014, 18:30.
Yours truly,

Axis
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