NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 13:24:
You don't instantly become a misogynist because you felt rejected when a girl dumps you or rejects you. That's something that needs to be really driven into the person over a period of time. Mass murderers simply do not tend to target particular genders. That's the realm of spree and serial killers.
Flatline wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 13:03:NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 12:11:
There is zero evidence of a trend of misogyny or women being singled out when it comes to these types of shootings. These people trying to make it about misogyny is supremely disrespectful and does not help solve the problem.
Dude, the guy who did the UCSB shooting (Which happened like 5 miles from where I worked) wrote hate stories about destroying women and recorded a confession where he said "I'm doing this because women as a whole refuse to have sex with me."
He was so extreme that even the extreme red pill PUA guys were like "dude you need to chill".
NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 12:11:
There is zero evidence of a trend of misogyny or women being singled out when it comes to these types of shootings. These people trying to make it about misogyny is supremely disrespectful and does not help solve the problem.
Flatline wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 11:32:
As for the Seattle shooting, I don't know if we know enough about that yet to make a call on it. Jilted wannabe lover turned shooter isn't necessarily misogyny. If he left some manifesto or rant behind we'll learn sooner or later.
Squirmer wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 01:26:
I'm just pointing out how everybody else sees you.
NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 09:06:
At the end of the day, Anita Sarkeesian wins, Gamergate wins, gaming press loses.
InBlack wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 03:52:Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 18:41:
It's hard to fault her on blaming the Seattle shooting on misogyny. Early reports, and the twitter feeds of those involved, make it look like he killed a girl because she wouldn't be with him.
Wha..? Seriously, Jesus Beamer you really go off on the deep end with this issue over and over again. Hating/Loving ONE person (for whatever reason) is hardly hating all womankind. A mentally ill person is NOT a misogyinst. Its not a fucking disease, nor is it a mental condition. Its prejudice, pure and simple. A jelaous rage is not misogyny. You are doing a disservice to all reasonable people (including feminists) by obsfucating the issue with bullshit like this!
NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 09:06:jdreyer wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 06:52:
No matter how right you are, it doesn't matter. Squirmer is right. You lost. Anita played the game better than you did. She "won" even if her fairly radical agenda is too extreme for most people. She became the spokesperson fighting against sexism in gaming, an industry with revenues in the 10s of billions. The mainstream media picked it up, and her along with it. This week: NYTimes, Colbert. Next week: Charlie Rose? CNN? And who do you have? Angry Joe? Yahtzee? No matter how you look at it, it's a total disaster.
Anita Sarkeesian isn't the enemy. Or, at least she's not my enemy. The enemy are unrepentant, biased, and bullshit press outlets. Gamergate gives her a boost, but she's never come out in defense of gaming journalism. Why would she? She's not even a gamer. She doesn't know anything about those sites or the issues involved there.
The conversation is just now starting to get back to where it was supposed to be, ethics in game journalism. The gaming press is running out of "victims" to distract everyone with. The moderates in Gamergate have been contacting advertisers, arranging interviews with the more reasonable people in the gaming press on the subject of ethics in journalism, etc. Basically they've just been waiting for the distraction engine to run out of fuel, which is happening. Anita Sarkeesian has already moved on to mainstream press which don't even cover games, so she's effectively a non-issue. Her increased profile is actually really good for gamers because she can move on to something more interesting to her than games.
What braindead trolls like Squirmer and Beamer never seemed to understand is that there wasn't just one conflict here and two sides. You had Anita/Feminists vs. Trolls on the Internet, and Gamergate vs. gaming press and associated shills. That first conflict is dying down, but the Gamergate hashtag overall has shown no signs of slowing down, and we're just starting to see an increase in coverage regarding the ethics issue.
In short, the idiots co-opting the argument for their own platforms and agendas are moving on, and Gamergate is actually starting to be about Gamergate again and not endless stupid distractions. Our own local Blue's News idiots will continue to try and push the feminism angle for a while until they get bored. But in the places where it matters, things are finally starting to look up. I'm really glad the conversation is slowly getting back on track.
At the end of the day, Anita Sarkeesian wins, Gamergate wins, gaming press loses.
NKD wrote on Oct 7, 2014, 17:47:Beamer wrote on Oct 7, 2014, 17:06:
This is like the third topic you've agreed with me on in 2 days. Are you sure you don't want to change your opinion? Haha.
Hah. I can only think of one topic in recent memory I've disagreed with you on, so really that's the exception rather than the rule. You seem to avoid the trap of unwarranted and/or premature hating on anything and everything more than most people around here. And you're not a hit-and-run poster who will post something completely asinine and then vanish before reading any possible disagreement. Not saying I don't think you ever post anything asinine, but you stick around and discuss at the very least.
Squirmer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 23:15:
Oh I thought it started because her ex boyfriend is a fucking sociopath who enabled and encouraged an extraordinary torrent of abuse directed at her.
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 20:22:dubfanatic wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 20:18:Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 18:41:
It's hard to fault her on blaming the Seattle shooting on misogyny. Early reports, and the twitter feeds of those involved, make it look like he killed a girl because she wouldn't be with him.
Yep, misogyny. Not untreated mental illness, not a product of a degenerate culture that glorifies violence and hyper-individuality. It's definitely misogyny.
Those are factors of both the shooting and misogyny, but shooting a woman because she won't be yours is absolutely misogyny.
Same with the California shootings. I know Milo Breitbart said it was due to video games, not misogyny, but shooting women because they won't have sex with you; having such a feeling of entitlement to their bodies that they deserve to die for not allowing you access to it, is misogyny, your eyeroll emoticon or not.
Yeahyeah Yeah wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 09:15:
What I've enjoyed the most about the GG debacle is that the attempts to shut GG people up by namecalling and smearing them didn't work. We may have reached a cultural point where, at least for a sizable number of people, the prospect of being called a bad name or being tarred with this or that brush - or the threat of as much - simply doesn't matter. They'll say what they please, and a good number of people will go around the mainstream media rather than through it to get informed on a topic.
NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 09:06:
In short, the idiots co-opting the argument for their own platforms and agendas are moving on, and Gamergate is actually starting to be about Gamergate again and not endless stupid distractions. Our own local Blue's News idiots will continue to try and push the feminism angle for a while until they get bored. But in the places where it matters, things are finally starting to look up. I'm really glad the conversation is slowly getting back on track.
jdreyer wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 06:52:
No matter how right you are, it doesn't matter. Squirmer is right. You lost. Anita played the game better than you did. She "won" even if her fairly radical agenda is too extreme for most people. She became the spokesperson fighting against sexism in gaming, an industry with revenues in the 10s of billions. The mainstream media picked it up, and her along with it. This week: NYTimes, Colbert. Next week: Charlie Rose? CNN? And who do you have? Angry Joe? Yahtzee? No matter how you look at it, it's a total disaster.
NKD wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 01:38:
Will you people stop responding to that worm? Pretty please? Has he ever done anything except be an enormous douchebag and asshole who seemingly crawled out of the ground just for Gamergate? No. So why dignify anything he says with a response? Let's get back on topic.
Squirmer wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 01:26:
If you want to ignore how Gamergate is actually being perceived outside of your subreddits and your multiple-of-4-chans, that's up to you.
jdreyer wrote on Oct 31, 2014, 06:52:
No matter how right you are, it doesn't matter. Squirmer is right. You lost. Anita played the game better than you did.
Quinn did suggest that there are "real concerns" about ethics in games journalism, but from the very beginning the GamerGate movement focused on the wrong area - on "the people with the least power in the industry."
"Nobody's talking about the relationship between the major publishers and the press," Quinn continued, advising those with actual concerns to abandon the irrevocably tarnished GamerGate hashtag.
"Many of the real concerns that people should have about ethics in games journalism have been completely ignored."
And there was the tight-knit world of his Tulalip Tribes, where much of life was steeped in history and tradition and where virtually everyone he knew was family in some way.
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 18:41:
It's hard to fault her on blaming the Seattle shooting on misogyny. Early reports, and the twitter feeds of those involved, make it look like he killed a girl because she wouldn't be with him.