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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 18:52
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Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 17:10:
mag wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 13:45:
It seems to be a pretty bi-partisan thing. Old People would be the demographic I'd pin the complacency on.
Uh seriously? "Old people" are the largest voting block, old of course is subjective but generally considered anyone over about 40 these days. You want complacency? Look at the youth(18-30) voting block, it's dipped as low as 10%

Complacent was the wrong word, but the support of the government's surveillance? Hell yeah, old people. Young people are disaffected and apathetic and can't wield the power they ought to have. Old people, on the other hand, are AFRAID.

No matter how small-government they are, they want the government to make them feel safe from hackers and terrorists and gays and women and PETA and that funny guy across the street and computers seriously what are computers and people driving fast and so on and so on.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 17:33
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Sep 12, 2014, 17:33
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 17:06:
The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism

So true, so sad.

Yes and there are a lot of certain type of people that think they are holier than thou and more patriotic... fall right in line with this. I don't know if it is an angle they are playing or just people being different.

Now we are all different, so I take that into consideration. I just don't work on that level of "something is right no matter what", everybody and everything has to constantly prove themselves true.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 17:30
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jdreyer wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 15:34:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 12:33:
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 11:30:
You can't really lay that on one specific political party or voting demographic.

It's complex, I wasn't really going direct party, but those I know that go along with this, seem aligned heavily to one. Guess?

If you're talking about the voting public, I'd somewhat agree. Politicians seem pretty equally coopted. Thankfully due to Snowden, we're having this conversation.

That is what I am speaking of, yes.
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Sep 12, 2014, 17:10
 
mag wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 13:45:
It seems to be a pretty bi-partisan thing. Old People would be the demographic I'd pin the complacency on.
Uh seriously? "Old people" are the largest voting block, old of course is subjective but generally considered anyone over about 40 these days. You want complacency? Look at the youth(18-30) voting block, it's dipped as low as 10%
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 17:06
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 12, 2014, 17:06
Sep 12, 2014, 17:06
 
The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism

So true, so sad.
"The horse I bet on was so slow, the jockey kept a diary of the trip." - Henny Youngman
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 15:43
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Sep 12, 2014, 15:43
 
Frijoles wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:16:
I can't help but wonder what would happen if Yahoo (or whomever) said fuck it, and brought it public anyway. Would the outcry cause the government to back down from going after Yahoo for making it public, or would Yahoo be fucked. Not sure what I'd do in this case. I'd probably not make my security strong enough to protect the documents on the case, and then act surprised when someone leaks the info.

Wonder no longer. There's an actual real-life example.

Qwest had the gall, THE GALL to request a warrant for the spying the NSA wanted to do. Then, by coincidence, Qwest lost all its gov't contracts and its CEO was charged with insider trading.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 15:36
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Sep 12, 2014, 15:36
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:54:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:35:
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:21:
Very frustrating to hear about these things. You have to do this thing and if you don't like it then your only recourse is our secret court process that you are guaranteed to lose or a 250k daily fee. Unreal.

Welcome to Amerika.

Best democracy money can buy.

Sadly true.

Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

I wish that were a clickbait title.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 15:34
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Sep 12, 2014, 15:34
 
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 12:33:
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 11:30:
You can't really lay that on one specific political party or voting demographic.

It's complex, I wasn't really going direct party, but those I know that go along with this, seem aligned heavily to one. Guess?

If you're talking about the voting public, I'd somewhat agree. Politicians seem pretty equally coopted. Thankfully due to Snowden, we're having this conversation.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 15:33
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 12, 2014, 15:33
Sep 12, 2014, 15:33
 
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 11:30:
You can't really lay that on one specific political party or voting demographic.

Yeah, even as someone pretty liberal, the Patriot Act was pretty much supported overwhelmingly by both parties. Certainly the Repubs are a bit more willing to sacrifice rights for safety, IMO, but I think the whole NSA thing can be laid at the feet of both parties. Only a few individuals like Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders really opposed it.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 13:45
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 12, 2014, 13:45
Sep 12, 2014, 13:45
mag
 
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 12:33:
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 11:30:
You can't really lay that on one specific political party or voting demographic.

It's complex, I wasn't really going direct party, but those I know that go along with this, seem aligned heavily to one. Guess?

It seems to be a pretty bi-partisan thing. Old People would be the demographic I'd pin the complacency on.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 12:40
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Sep 12, 2014, 12:40
 
Oooh I know this one! The green party!
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 12:33
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 12, 2014, 12:33
Sep 12, 2014, 12:33
 
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 11:30:
You can't really lay that on one specific political party or voting demographic.

It's complex, I wasn't really going direct party, but those I know that go along with this, seem aligned heavily to one. Guess?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 11:30
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Sep 12, 2014, 11:30
 
You can't really lay that on one specific political party or voting demographic.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 11:06
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Sep 12, 2014, 11:06
 
Makes me want to kick Yankie Doodle American Defending Republican right in the teeth.

Not to be confused with this not being an issue on both sides, but it's the Avg American Republican with their heads so far up their ass with American Rah Rah, whatever America does it' great, we are great, we never lie or do wrong. I can't believe these people can exist, but walla... they do and too many are relatives. Feels like the 4th Reich to me.

Integrity. We know they lie, they've admitted, but some still have unwavering trust in liars, perplexed.

As for the other article, that is why you fucking need gov't Alpha Dog Republican. Peoples minds work in ways that they'll dream up any little devious plan, some are out of bounds, who would stop them if there weren't any gov't? We have a shit load of laws because we have a shit load of people trying to bend any and all things their way. That is who made who. We don't do stupid shit, they wouldn't have to make a law.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 10:54
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 12, 2014, 10:54
Sep 12, 2014, 10:54
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:35:
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:21:
Very frustrating to hear about these things. You have to do this thing and if you don't like it then your only recourse is our secret court process that you are guaranteed to lose or a 250k daily fee. Unreal.

Welcome to Amerika.

Best democracy money can buy.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 10:35
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Sep 12, 2014, 10:35
 
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 10:21:
Very frustrating to hear about these things. You have to do this thing and if you don't like it then your only recourse is our secret court process that you are guaranteed to lose or a 250k daily fee. Unreal.

Welcome to Amerika.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 10:21
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs Sep 12, 2014, 10:21
Sep 12, 2014, 10:21
 
Very frustrating to hear about these things. You have to do this thing and if you don't like it then your only recourse is our secret court process that you are guaranteed to lose or a 250k daily fee. Unreal.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Sep 12, 2014, 10:16
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Sep 12, 2014, 10:16
 
So with things like PRISM, the company is threatened and told they can't discuss it because it's top secret. The reason it's top secret is because they don't want the public to know (they wouldn't support it), and it'd undermine the purpose. I can't help but wonder what would happen if Yahoo (or whomever) said fuck it, and brought it public anyway. Would the outcry cause the government to back down from going after Yahoo for making it public, or would Yahoo be fucked. Not sure what I'd do in this case. I'd probably not make my security strong enough to protect the documents on the case, and then act surprised when someone leaks the info.
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