jdreyer wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 21:23:
Heat is energy. It travels away from the source, per the laws of entropy. Heat energy escapes easily through glass.
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:08:
So my conclusion is that what happened in the video is actually scientifically not possible or highly exaggerated.
Now concerning the Apollo 13 mission I google quickly and found this thread and the answer seems to be in post #11 and further explained in post #13.
jdreyer wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 21:23:yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 18:28:jdreyer wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 16:43:
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I think it's fairly realistic that the water vapor in the cockpit would condense and freeze on the windows once you go into stealth mode and shut down the cockpit heating. That's just physics.
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It's actually not. The temperature in the cockpit doesn't get lower since there's nowhere for the heat to go to.
Heat is energy. It travels away from the source, per the laws of entropy. Heat energy escapes easily through glass.
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 18:28:jdreyer wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 16:43:
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I think it's fairly realistic that the water vapor in the cockpit would condense and freeze on the windows once you go into stealth mode and shut down the cockpit heating. That's just physics.
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It's actually not. The temperature in the cockpit doesn't get lower since there's nowhere for the heat to go to.
jdreyer wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 16:43:
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I think it's fairly realistic that the water vapor in the cockpit would condense and freeze on the windows once you go into stealth mode and shut down the cockpit heating. That's just physics.
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eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 15:09:
I am pretty sure that you would never see ICE on the ISS windows. Because glass needs to be very very well isolated from any other surface in space on a space-station. And humidity is generally a problem in space. (Ie, you never have enough as you constantly recycle the air ,p) this is why long-term missions think about a biosphere element to maintain this. (And save on oxygen and co² scrubbing)
Apollo 13 was different, they literally cramped all in a very tight space, so humidity was a problem. They switched power devices off to save power (but they produce heat, which is what the life support is configured for by default) so the life support was what cooled the ship down, if they had been able to tune the life support they would have been able to actually heat the capsule properly and even saved power. As you say, radiating heat away is not very effective... but humans each produce about 200 to 300W of heat energy per hour. (There is a joke there somewhere ,p) so those humans on Apollo 13 could have heated the capsule just by being there. If the life support hadn't cooled everything down.
When it comes down to it, it's very unlikely we'd have windows in a really modern "Built for function" space-ship anyway. If you had a power loss a window wouldn't save you
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:42:eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:38:yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:08:
So my conclusion is that what happened in the video is actually scientifically not possible or highly exaggerated.
It's a video game made so you can have fun, yes... it is highly exaggerated. It's visual feedback for when you are in stealth.
I'm not saying it's not cool. I was just curious whether this part of the simulation was true or not.
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:38:yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:08:
So my conclusion is that what happened in the video is actually scientifically not possible or highly exaggerated.
It's a video game made so you can have fun, yes... it is highly exaggerated. It's visual feedback for when you are in stealth.
Creston wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:26:
The only thing I really dislike in the E:D video is the absolutely absurd amount of "space dust" flying by the cockpit whenever even the slightest amount of speed is attained. When he's slowly tumbling backwards, the fucking dust flies by as if he's going FTL. And there's SO.RIDICULOUSLY.MUCH of it. If they'd draw 1/10th of that amount of white shit, the effect of "you are actually moving" would be exactly the same.
I hope they'll clear some of that out, because ugh, it distracts me even just watching that video.
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:11:Your very welcome hope to see you online when the game comes out in a few months
Thanks for the explanation! Unfortunately I'm also too busy with real life, so I won't be getting the game, most likely, but I'm definitely looking forward to the release since it sounds awesome.
SpectralMeat wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 14:06:yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:49:Unless if you mean the distress zones where you go to fight the whole game is basically a living breathing sandbox with live players and Ai mixed all together.
I quickly scanned their forums and what I found out was that it's sort of an instanced MMO with up to 32 players simultaneously fighting, though I'm not sure what it's actually like since the only instanced MMO that I played was Global Agenda.
The distress zones are where you go to choose your side and fight against Ai and players of the opposite faction.
Those areas are great for grinding for cash but you have to be careful even your own faction player can turn against you. It is a PvP area with no police present. Anything goes.
Aside from that I am not aware of a MP only arena type game mode (doesn't mean there isn't one). I have to admit though I haven't been playing it much lately life has been kicking my ass.
Cutter wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:54:yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:34:
Heh, I was kinda bothered by how the glass froze since I'm not sure whether this is actually scientifically possible.
Though I guess not everything has to be absolutely realistic for it to be a simulation (I'm talking about stuff that's known to be true or false, not science fiction things like allegedly ftl travel).
Sure it's possible, it's thermodynamics. That would be condensation from inside the ship as the ship's temperature reaches equilibrium with the space around it. Ever see Apollo 13? Space is cold, man. You can freeze your nips off out there.
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:49:Unless if you mean the distress zones where you go to fight the whole game is basically a living breathing sandbox with live players and Ai mixed all together.
I quickly scanned their forums and what I found out was that it's sort of an instanced MMO with up to 32 players simultaneously fighting, though I'm not sure what it's actually like since the only instanced MMO that I played was Global Agenda.
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:34:
Heh, I was kinda bothered by how the glass froze since I'm not sure whether this is actually scientifically possible.
Though I guess not everything has to be absolutely realistic for it to be a simulation (I'm talking about stuff that's known to be true or false, not science fiction things like allegedly ftl travel).
SpectralMeat wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:41:yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:34:It actually is kind of like that
I assume that the E:D multiplayer isn't like a FPS Eve
All the ships flying around you are a mix of players and Ai. The only way to know if they are players or Ai is to target them and if the pilot name come up as Cmdr they are player controlled.
So I'd say if you liked the way EVE works with the different security level systems and you never know if you get ambushed by pirates as you approach a station or being chased down by police for carrying illegal goods in your cargo etc., you will love Elite.
yuastnav wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 13:34:It actually is kind of like that
I assume that the E:D multiplayer isn't like a FPS Eve