Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 24, 2014, 20:33:
The problem that most people have with SJWs is that they demand immediate agreement and obedience to their opinions on all three of these topics. If you agree that there is sexism, but you disagree with the scope of it, you are a sexist. If you agree that there is a larger problem with sexism in the gaming community, but you don't agree with them on how to fix it, then you are a sexist. The SJW has no allies, only sock-puppets or enemies. That's it.
Jensen wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 20:34:
The video compares the hatred Anita Sarkeesian gets to the hatred Jack Thompson got to basically say "see, it's nothing about her gender, it's just the content."
I'm sorry, but I must have missed the part where Anita tried to sue people and change laws. I also missed the part where she linked specific crimes to video games.
mag wrote on Aug 26, 2014, 01:08:
Where Plenty = A Few Loud People on jezebel.com, I imagine. Anyway, my argument is not that they don't exist. It's not even that they are in the (vocal) minority (though they are). It's that you have two camps of people using the same word to mean completely different things. So when you go charging into an argument foaming at the mouth about feminism, social justice, and political correctness, people that have a moderate view of those things are going to think that you are batshit crazy/a dick.
So when you go charging into an argument foaming at the mouth about feminism, social justice, and political correctness, people that have a moderate view of those things are going to think that you are batshit crazy/a dick.
Julio wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 18:28:mag wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 15:20:
So yes, if you are not a person that believes women should be treated equally, you might be a misogynist. The problem is that to other people (mostly, and usually mistakenly, men) 'feminism' is this scary belief that men are evil and should be punished for having penises.
There are plenty of militant feminist women who think they should get advantages over men to 'make up for the past'. And they'd like to treat men as less than equal.
Equal = Fair, however that's generally not good enough for the SJW.
mag wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 15:20:
So yes, if you are not a person that believes women should be treated equally, you might be a misogynist. The problem is that to other people (mostly, and usually mistakenly, men) 'feminism' is this scary belief that men are evil and should be punished for having penises.
Prez wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 13:04:
Personally I don't like the term "social justice" for the same reason I don't like people like Sarkeesian and Quinn. They take a legitmate issue and agendize it to the point that the goal of a movement and/or meaning of a term mutates into something it was never intended to be. I like the idea of equal justice and treatment for everyone in society. But the term "social justice" has been used and abused by the "Social Justice Warriors" to the point that it has become a negative term for many. That's why it really fits in my mind. They don't stand for actual social justice. They satnd for their own warped vision of what they think justice should be.
The "If your not a feminist you're a misogynist" quote comes to mind.
ASeven wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 06:14:Beamer wrote on Aug 24, 2014, 21:12:
So, something happening in someone's hobby isn't a problem because there are worse things happening across the globe?
Right. ASeven, if I ever see you whine about anything, like how you did when the NSA was found to target your country, I'll remind you that being monitored by the US government is a non-issue, because there are people being drone-killed by it. Really, ASeven, any time you ever complained about the NSA spying on you it was a wasted breath.
And don't you dare say they're both problems, because having your cell phone call monitored is nothing compared to being blown up.
And, of course, if you're not actively shooting down those drones, dedicating your life to it, you can't even complain because, really, what are you doing?
This is one of the most disgusting, repugnant and intellectually dishonest posts ever made on Blues. It's amazing how you create a strawman so unashamedly and can keep inferring that sexism in gaming is a problem as important as women getting raped, killed, arrested due to belief systems or traditional societal values, it's just repugnant the way you do it. You and your group does a disservice to women in the world, real women who are in real suffering, by diverting the attention of people from real problems to these non-issues that only promote censorship.
It's even more repugnant that you dare to compare sexism in gaming to the NSA scandal, it seems you truly suffer from cognitive dissonance.
I'm done with you on this thread, I cannot discuss to someone who is so intellectually dishonest as you are to the point of comparing real world problems, real problems that affect everyone in a very negative way, to sexism in gaming, a made up problem that affects nobody other than those pushing for this agenda of censorship.
mag wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 04:50:Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 24, 2014, 22:28:
I have been called a bigot and a misogynist online ... for pointing out that Anita Sarkeesian's video have factual errors in them ... I've also been called an SJW (actually I think it was a feminazi) on my YouTube channel when I pointed out some of the really creepy advances your character in the Sega CD game Snatcher makes towards several women characters (that comment was moderated so it no longer exists.)
Behold, the problem with labels. SJW might be the dumbest slur people have come up with yet. Stop using it. It's not helping anyone.
Beamer wrote on Aug 24, 2014, 21:12:
So, something happening in someone's hobby isn't a problem because there are worse things happening across the globe?
Right. ASeven, if I ever see you whine about anything, like how you did when the NSA was found to target your country, I'll remind you that being monitored by the US government is a non-issue, because there are people being drone-killed by it. Really, ASeven, any time you ever complained about the NSA spying on you it was a wasted breath.
And don't you dare say they're both problems, because having your cell phone call monitored is nothing compared to being blown up.
And, of course, if you're not actively shooting down those drones, dedicating your life to it, you can't even complain because, really, what are you doing?
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 24, 2014, 22:28:
I have been called a bigot and a misogynist online ... for pointing out that Anita Sarkeesian's video have factual errors in them ... I've also been called an SJW (actually I think it was a feminazi) on my YouTube channel when I pointed out some of the really creepy advances your character in the Sega CD game Snatcher makes towards several women characters (that comment was moderated so it no longer exists.)
Eirikrautha wrote on Aug 24, 2014, 20:33:Nailed it. I grant you 6 internets of your choice.
If SJWs were about giving voice to the voiceless, they'd be untouchable. But they're not. They're about ruthlessly bullying and silencing anyone that even slightly disagrees, all while demanding they themselves be heard. Which is why more and more people are ignoring them...