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Areal Conspiracy Theories

Areal Kickstarter update calls out a couple of the sites for expressing "unprofessional" skepticism about West Games' proposed first-person shooter, citing Forbes and VG247 by name along with a list of users who they feel have been engaging in a campaign to troll them. They also offer an interesting conspiracy theory to explain why it appears that the project's funding total is rising without a corresponding increase in their number of backers: "They are now claiming that our success on Kickstarter is fabricated, whilst conveniently failing to mention that people are using multiple accounts to make a bunch of 1 dollar pledges, and every time a new backer comes along, they remove 1 or 2 pledges, so that it looks like our sum is increasing without any new backers." Thanks nin.

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32. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:32 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:25:
NKD wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:14:
Ehh I guess, but I think the previous red flags were more about quality and worthiness rather than willful fraud. I feel like Kickstarter should let us decide which projects are worth backing, and stick to policing fraud and willful misuse of their platform. They have tens of thousands of projects. Some of them are going to be a lot more worthwhile than others.

Still, it's nice to see these fuckers get their shit taken down. I can't wait for them to throw a big ol' fit.

Hmmm. I agree with you about Kickstarter being as much hands-free as it can be but this project had some important red flags, like the constant ad hominem attacks from the devs behind it and not showing anything like a screenshot or trailer for a long, long time. These two should have at least merited a closer look, not to mention the sudden deluge of trolling comments to drown out people complaining.

It's a closer look, but Kickstarter can't see anything better than the consumer can. Those are judgment calls, and it's up to the person holding the money to decide if it's too sketchy for them, not Kickstarter. Plenty of good projects are put up by people that don't know how to sell the project.

Kickstarter should only step in for clear evidence of rule breaking. I've seen them take down at least a dozen watch projects because the people were obviously lying about their experience and their facilities. I've seen them leave up other ones where the people seemed in way over their heads and have no clue what they're doing. That's the way it should be.
 
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31. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:25 ASeven
 
NKD wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:14:
Ehh I guess, but I think the previous red flags were more about quality and worthiness rather than willful fraud. I feel like Kickstarter should let us decide which projects are worth backing, and stick to policing fraud and willful misuse of their platform. They have tens of thousands of projects. Some of them are going to be a lot more worthwhile than others.

Still, it's nice to see these fuckers get their shit taken down. I can't wait for them to throw a big ol' fit.

Hmmm. I agree with you about Kickstarter being as much hands-free as it can be but this project had some important red flags, like the constant ad hominem attacks from the devs behind it and not showing anything like a screenshot or trailer for a long, long time. These two should have at least merited a closer look, not to mention the sudden deluge of trolling comments to drown out people complaining.
 
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30. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:14 NKD
 
ASeven wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:10:
NKD wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:07:
ASeven wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:02:
SUSPENDED! At last! Took Kickstarter bloody long enough.

What? The funny money came in over the weekend. At least give them a couple days to investigate bro... I think this is a plenty quick enough resolution.

True but there were a lot of other red flags raised that at least deserved an investigation from Kickstarter, which didn't happen.

I love Kickstarter but damn, they really have to start tightening their policies to include investigations on projects that raise a lot of red flags.

Ehh I guess, but I think the previous red flags were more about quality and worthiness rather than willful fraud. I feel like Kickstarter should let us decide which projects are worth backing, and stick to policing fraud and willful misuse of their platform. They have tens of thousands of projects. Some of them are going to be a lot more worthwhile than others.

Still, it's nice to see these fuckers get their shit taken down. I can't wait for them to throw a big ol' fit.
 
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29. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:10 ASeven
 
NKD wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:07:
ASeven wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:02:
SUSPENDED! At last! Took Kickstarter bloody long enough.

What? The funny money came in over the weekend. At least give them a couple days to investigate bro... I think this is a plenty quick enough resolution.

True but there were a lot of other red flags raised that at least deserved an investigation from Kickstarter, which didn't happen.

I love Kickstarter but damn, they really have to start tightening their policies to include investigations on projects that raise a lot of red flags.
 
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28. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:09 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:07:
ASeven wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:02:
SUSPENDED! At last! Took Kickstarter bloody long enough.

What? The funny money came in over the weekend. At least give them a couple days to investigate bro... I think this is a plenty quick enough resolution.

Seriously. The people that expect Kickstarter to suspend immediately are insane. The amount of people that spent all day Sunday calling Kickstarter evil for something that happened on Saturday blows my mind. Kickstarter isn't as dumb as some people here think, nor as evil. It knows that, if you put your money into a scam, you won't return to Kickstarter.

But, hey, never let that kind of logic make you put down your pitchforks.
 
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27. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:07 NKD
 
ASeven wrote on Jul 22, 2014, 13:02:
SUSPENDED! At last! Took Kickstarter bloody long enough.

What? The funny money came in over the weekend. At least give them a couple days to investigate bro... I think this is a plenty quick enough resolution.
 
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26. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 22, 2014, 13:02 ASeven
 
SUSPENDED! At last! Took Kickstarter bloody long enough.
 
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25. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 22:14 walrus1
 
John wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 19:05:
Rhialto wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 18:14:
Those looking for the next S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game, with all this AREAL story I came to a new website yesterday and boy it was looking promising: http://www.raindropgame.com/ but KS campaign was not a succes.

Anyone have heard of it before today?
Yes, I actually backed it.. but as you said it wasn't funded unfortunately. I don't remember if they plan to keep working on it or not though.

I think RPS did something on it. It seems way more horror oriented like than STALKER is. They said they're still working on it but there website is pretty darn empty. In short I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
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24. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 19:19 panbient
 
ASeven wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 16:13:
They just posted a new update apologizing for their last update. Holy shit this is getting better and better.

It makes me wonder what kind of letter the Forbes lawyers sent them this morning.
 
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23. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 19:05 John
 
Rhialto wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 18:14:
Those looking for the next S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game, with all this AREAL story I came to a new website yesterday and boy it was looking promising: http://www.raindropgame.com/ but KS campaign was not a succes.

Anyone have heard of it before today?
Yes, I actually backed it.. but as you said it wasn't funded unfortunately. I don't remember if they plan to keep working on it or not though.
 
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22. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 18:14 Rhialto
 
Those looking for the next S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game, with all this AREAL story I came to a new website yesterday and boy it was looking promising: http://www.raindropgame.com/ but KS campaign was not a succes.

Anyone have heard of it before today?
 
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21. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 17:05 Creston
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 12:42:
Video game company using someone else's artwork? Down.

Except that's exactly what these clowns are doing, and KS leaves it up.
 
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20. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 16:16 nin
 
ASeven wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 16:13:
They just posted a new update apologizing for their last update. Holy shit this is getting better and better.

But not apologizing to the people they shamed on KS.

 
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19. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 16:13 ASeven
 
They just posted a new update apologizing for their last update. Holy shit this is getting better and better.  
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18. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 16:05 Dev
 
Wallshadows wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 13:37:
So what happens if you reach the goal and the donation window times out? Are these guys free to go on their way with sacks of cash regardless of how it was generated since it's now outside control of KS or does KS reserve some right to withhold that money and cancel the project, post-funding?
After its funded it would be lawsuit time if they didn't deliver. So yes theoretically the could run with all the money about 2 or 3 weeks after it funds.
 
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17. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 15:29 siapnar
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 13:39:
"They are now claiming that our success on Kickstarter is fabricated, whilst conveniently failing to mention that people are using multiple accounts to make a bunch of 1 dollar pledges, and every time a new backer comes along, they remove 1 or 2 pledges, so that it looks like our sum is increasing without any new backers."

Wow. Just, wow.
That... just doesn't make sense
 
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16. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 15:28 jdreyer
 
NegaDeath wrote on Jul 21, 2014, 14:31:
Watching this train wreck unfold is more fun than the game could ever possibly be.

Meh, I'm not enjoying it that much. I really want another STALKER game, not this BS. Also, I hate reality TV, and this is the gaming version of that. It's like 1bad sez: "It's just a bunch of mystic bovine scatology to me."
 
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15. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 14:31 NegaDeath
 
Watching this train wreck unfold is more fun than the game could ever possibly be.  
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14. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 13:56 jacobvandy
 
It's also convenient to ignore the fact that video games are a mere fraction of the activity that goes on at KickStarter. They've got a whole lot more stuff to monitor -- start-ups or bold projects in every other form of media, physical product ideas, services, lots of silly stuff -- than the VERY narrow spectrum of stuff we as PC gamers are paying attention to...

It's not that they don't care about potential shenanigans, it's that maybe some jackasses trying to fleece people for $30k or so aren't very high up on their list of pressing issues as a hosting company trying to keep track of all this shit. They might have one guy, with a couple dozen other items on his daily docket, investigating this and going back and forth with the creators... Because ultimately there's only so much you can expect them to do about it. I don't get the uproar over KS as an entire concept, if you're NOT one of those 1,000 people (probably much less, with all the $1 pitchfork-mobbers in there), who might KNOWINGLY be throwing some money away. Why do you care? By acknowledging that you believe them to be "frauds," or at the very least irresponsible and unlikely to succeed, you are participating in the natural, automatic process of internet vetting that every project goes through, and thereby also acknowledging that not everything KickStarter is out to steal from you... So just back the projects from people you can believe in. It's pretty simple.
 
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13. Re: Areal Conspiracy Theories Jul 21, 2014, 13:39 jdreyer
 
"They are now claiming that our success on Kickstarter is fabricated, whilst conveniently failing to mention that people are using multiple accounts to make a bunch of 1 dollar pledges, and every time a new backer comes along, they remove 1 or 2 pledges, so that it looks like our sum is increasing without any new backers."

Wow. Just, wow.
 
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