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55. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 18, 2014, 10:31 Axis
 
....where you deduce your own false "facts" about others then attempt to high-road trounce them with lame ass examples.

Every post. All the time. Beamer.
 
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54. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 22:39 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 20:33:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 20:12:
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 20:04:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 19:03:
I've given you plenty of substnace to respodn to, as well. Do you want to deny that the wealth inequality caused the Great Depression?

As for your ideals, I said that you think that rich people work harder than other people. Which always cracks me up, because you must find yourself incredibly lazy.

But I'll source that for you:
Axis wrote on Jan 19, 2014, 22:24:
Most successful people work smart, or hard. Most unsuccessful people don't. There are exceptions, but that's black and white unbiased truth.

I'm not sure how you define monetary success, but I'd wager very, very few on this board are actually successful. Not in the eyes of our government's economic policy. Apparently you think we're all people that work neither smart nor hard.

Helpful hint: you aren't successful. If you aren't making at least half a million a year, at least, you aren't successful. You wouldn't be invited to Mitt Romney's fundraisers (nor to Obamas.) The economic policies that I support wouldn't negatively impact you. If you lost your job and couldn't find work for over a year, something very possible at your age and your skill level (true of nearly anyone in their late 40s and above) you could find yourself needing welfare assistance. Somehow you think you're closer to the Warren Buffets of the world than the 45 year old single mom working as a Walmart greeter and a McDonald's cashier while raising 3 kids.

You aren't. Not a single person on this site is. But that 45 year old single mom undoubtedly works significantly harder than every single person here and probably harder than every single billionaire in this country (a third of which inherited their money.)

This is gold, pure gold man. You just proved my last line that you can't "understand", and proved how absolutely out of touch you are with reality at the same time. Not successful unless you're making 500k a year, Parental duties vs career, just one laugh after another with you.


And you proved your inability to add content to a discussion.

Facts. Even basic justification for your opinions. You have none at all.

You probably don't get it. You think being poor means someone is stupid or not working hard. And you don't realize that, in the eyes of the people spending the money on the laws, you're a poor, classless nitwit. You fail to understand the meaning of "success," in the eyes of our economic policy. You fail to realize how much everything is being twisted to help the superwealthy, and you keep supporting it, because you're stupid enough to think your $70k/year is "successful."

You still stuck on that "prove it"? Just another sheep dolt and you think you've found the cryptonite that the same few keep using, snoozefest here bro it ain't working - same can be said about everyone in every post.

But if I were entertaining... What facts exactly are you seeking? You want me to scour your posts to show how you've contradicted yourself over and over again with regards to you being more pro "Capitalism" than everyone here (aside from being contradictory in many areas of your "expertise")? Go right ahead, no one gives a shit so I won't waste my time, but it certainly is there for the dedicated researcher!!

Or wait! I see... Maybe you mean the same "Facts" that you provide, where you deduce your own false "facts" about others then attempt to high-road trounce them with lame ass examples like you did in your last "gold" thread. I'll pass, I respect others time.

Ug. Seriously, man, you're buzzwords without substance. You talk in circles. You exaggerate (I never said "more than everyone else.")

I add facts. I link to numbers. And sorry, "bro," you aren't successful. You get in hissy fits when I say the top marginal tax bracket (which I still don't think you understand) should be incredibly high. You act like it's an affront to you, when in reality it would help people like you. You spend so much time defending the top 0.5% as if you matter to them. As if you're more like them than those on welfare.

And your posts, much like this one, never have substance. Ever. When asked for it, you talk in circles. Again, just search my history and see how often I've linked to hard census or IRS numbers, direct from their websites. You never do. When asked for data, you just use a term like "sheep dolt." And somehow you think this makes you intelligent. You have a local government job making under six figures with a mid-tier bachelors but you think you're part of the nation's elite. You think you're better than people in poverty. You don't realize how amazingly close to it you are, and that people like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers are trying their hardest to make sure they keep as much of the income and wealth in this nation as possible and you get as little as they are forced to turn over to you.
 
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53. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 20:33 Axis
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 20:12:
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 20:04:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 19:03:
I've given you plenty of substnace to respodn to, as well. Do you want to deny that the wealth inequality caused the Great Depression?

As for your ideals, I said that you think that rich people work harder than other people. Which always cracks me up, because you must find yourself incredibly lazy.

But I'll source that for you:
Axis wrote on Jan 19, 2014, 22:24:
Most successful people work smart, or hard. Most unsuccessful people don't. There are exceptions, but that's black and white unbiased truth.

I'm not sure how you define monetary success, but I'd wager very, very few on this board are actually successful. Not in the eyes of our government's economic policy. Apparently you think we're all people that work neither smart nor hard.

Helpful hint: you aren't successful. If you aren't making at least half a million a year, at least, you aren't successful. You wouldn't be invited to Mitt Romney's fundraisers (nor to Obamas.) The economic policies that I support wouldn't negatively impact you. If you lost your job and couldn't find work for over a year, something very possible at your age and your skill level (true of nearly anyone in their late 40s and above) you could find yourself needing welfare assistance. Somehow you think you're closer to the Warren Buffets of the world than the 45 year old single mom working as a Walmart greeter and a McDonald's cashier while raising 3 kids.

You aren't. Not a single person on this site is. But that 45 year old single mom undoubtedly works significantly harder than every single person here and probably harder than every single billionaire in this country (a third of which inherited their money.)

This is gold, pure gold man. You just proved my last line that you can't "understand", and proved how absolutely out of touch you are with reality at the same time. Not successful unless you're making 500k a year, Parental duties vs career, just one laugh after another with you.


And you proved your inability to add content to a discussion.

Facts. Even basic justification for your opinions. You have none at all.

You probably don't get it. You think being poor means someone is stupid or not working hard. And you don't realize that, in the eyes of the people spending the money on the laws, you're a poor, classless nitwit. You fail to understand the meaning of "success," in the eyes of our economic policy. You fail to realize how much everything is being twisted to help the superwealthy, and you keep supporting it, because you're stupid enough to think your $70k/year is "successful."

You still stuck on that "prove it"? Just another sheep dolt and you think you've found the cryptonite that the same few keep using, snoozefest here bro it ain't working - same can be said about everyone in every post.

But if I were entertaining... What facts exactly are you seeking? You want me to scour your posts to show how you've contradicted yourself over and over again with regards to you being more pro "Capitalism" than everyone here (aside from being contradictory in many areas of your "expertise")? Go right ahead, no one gives a shit so I won't waste my time, but it certainly is there for the dedicated researcher!!

Or wait! I see... Maybe you mean the same "Facts" that you provide, where you deduce your own false "facts" about others then attempt to high-road trounce them with lame ass examples like you did in your last "gold" thread. I'll pass, I respect others time.
 
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52. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 20:12 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 20:04:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 19:03:
I've given you plenty of substnace to respodn to, as well. Do you want to deny that the wealth inequality caused the Great Depression?

As for your ideals, I said that you think that rich people work harder than other people. Which always cracks me up, because you must find yourself incredibly lazy.

But I'll source that for you:
Axis wrote on Jan 19, 2014, 22:24:
Most successful people work smart, or hard. Most unsuccessful people don't. There are exceptions, but that's black and white unbiased truth.

I'm not sure how you define monetary success, but I'd wager very, very few on this board are actually successful. Not in the eyes of our government's economic policy. Apparently you think we're all people that work neither smart nor hard.

Helpful hint: you aren't successful. If you aren't making at least half a million a year, at least, you aren't successful. You wouldn't be invited to Mitt Romney's fundraisers (nor to Obamas.) The economic policies that I support wouldn't negatively impact you. If you lost your job and couldn't find work for over a year, something very possible at your age and your skill level (true of nearly anyone in their late 40s and above) you could find yourself needing welfare assistance. Somehow you think you're closer to the Warren Buffets of the world than the 45 year old single mom working as a Walmart greeter and a McDonald's cashier while raising 3 kids.

You aren't. Not a single person on this site is. But that 45 year old single mom undoubtedly works significantly harder than every single person here and probably harder than every single billionaire in this country (a third of which inherited their money.)

This is gold, pure gold man. You just proved my last line that you can't "understand", and proved how absolutely out of touch you are with reality at the same time. Not successful unless you're making 500k a year, Parental duties vs career, just one laugh after another with you.


And you proved your inability to add content to a discussion.

Facts. Even basic justification for your opinions. You have none at all.

You probably don't get it. You think being poor means someone is stupid or not working hard. And you don't realize that, in the eyes of the people spending the money on the laws, you're a poor, classless nitwit. You fail to understand the meaning of "success," in the eyes of our economic policy. You fail to realize how much everything is being twisted to help the superwealthy, and you keep supporting it, because you're stupid enough to think your $70k/year is "successful."
 
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51. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 20:04 Axis
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 19:03:
I've given you plenty of substnace to respodn to, as well. Do you want to deny that the wealth inequality caused the Great Depression?

As for your ideals, I said that you think that rich people work harder than other people. Which always cracks me up, because you must find yourself incredibly lazy.

But I'll source that for you:
Axis wrote on Jan 19, 2014, 22:24:
Most successful people work smart, or hard. Most unsuccessful people don't. There are exceptions, but that's black and white unbiased truth.

I'm not sure how you define monetary success, but I'd wager very, very few on this board are actually successful. Not in the eyes of our government's economic policy. Apparently you think we're all people that work neither smart nor hard.

Helpful hint: you aren't successful. If you aren't making at least half a million a year, at least, you aren't successful. You wouldn't be invited to Mitt Romney's fundraisers (nor to Obamas.) The economic policies that I support wouldn't negatively impact you. If you lost your job and couldn't find work for over a year, something very possible at your age and your skill level (true of nearly anyone in their late 40s and above) you could find yourself needing welfare assistance. Somehow you think you're closer to the Warren Buffets of the world than the 45 year old single mom working as a Walmart greeter and a McDonald's cashier while raising 3 kids.

You aren't. Not a single person on this site is. But that 45 year old single mom undoubtedly works significantly harder than every single person here and probably harder than every single billionaire in this country (a third of which inherited their money.)

This is gold, pure gold man. You just proved my last line that you can't "understand", and proved how absolutely out of touch you are with reality at the same time. Not successful unless you're making 500k a year, Parental duties vs career, just one laugh after another with you.

 
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50. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 19:50 jdreyer
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 19:19:
RACISM! OLIGARCHY! RACISM! OLIGARCHY!

Dude, way to be late to the party!

Also, uh, we weren't even discussing racism.
 
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49. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 19:19 Mad Max RW
 
RACISM! OLIGARCHY! RACISM! OLIGARCHY!  
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48. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 19:03 Beamer
 
I've given you plenty of substnace to respodn to, as well. Do you want to deny that the wealth inequality caused the Great Depression?

As for your ideals, I said that you think that rich people work harder than other people. Which always cracks me up, because you must find yourself incredibly lazy.

But I'll source that for you:
Axis wrote on Jan 19, 2014, 22:24:
Most successful people work smart, or hard. Most unsuccessful people don't. There are exceptions, but that's black and white unbiased truth.

I'm not sure how you define monetary success, but I'd wager very, very few on this board are actually successful. Not in the eyes of our government's economic policy. Apparently you think we're all people that work neither smart nor hard.

Helpful hint: you aren't successful. If you aren't making at least half a million a year, at least, you aren't successful. You wouldn't be invited to Mitt Romney's fundraisers (nor to Obamas.) The economic policies that I support wouldn't negatively impact you. If you lost your job and couldn't find work for over a year, something very possible at your age and your skill level (true of nearly anyone in their late 40s and above) you could find yourself needing welfare assistance. Somehow you think you're closer to the Warren Buffets of the world than the 45 year old single mom working as a Walmart greeter and a McDonald's cashier while raising 3 kids.

You aren't. Not a single person on this site is. But that 45 year old single mom undoubtedly works significantly harder than every single person here and probably harder than every single billionaire in this country (a third of which inherited their money.)
 
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47. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 18:54 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 18:47:
Not sure why Beamhole keeps bringing me up all the time and throwing out made-up ideals he thinks I posses, but it's humorous occasionally.

But that's what he does, that King of Capitalism! Just make something up, then go on a tirade about it! And it works, always the same few dopeyass sheep ready to hop on the TrollTrain!


I have no clue what most of the remainder of your post means, because you never, ever cite anything. But, for the first part, it's pretty obvious that you bring me up at least as often. Just scroll down this thread and look at which of us was the first to not only address the other but make a condescending comment.

As for your ideals, you routinely make them obvious.
As for your arguing tactics, for the love of god, learn how to cite things. You never, ever do that. Ever. Whether it's linking to numerical data (which I've often done to you), or simply pointing out specifically what you are whining about when you say things like "make something up," you never cite anything.

Please, please, please cite things if you're going to make an argument against it. Random, general, blanket arguments make you look very dumb.
 
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46. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 18:47 Axis
 
Not sure why Beamhole keeps bringing me up all the time and throwing out made-up ideals he thinks I posses, but it's humorous occasionally.

But that's what he does, that King of Capitalism! Just make something up, then go on a tirade about it! And it works, always the same few dopeyass sheep ready to hop on the TrollTrain!

 
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45. No subject Jul 17, 2014, 17:07 Mashiki Amiketo
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 13:58:
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Are there bad teachers and corrupt officials and waste? Sure, but no more so than any other industry. And unlike private corporations, there's much transparency on DOE budgets, so these abuses can be ferreted out.
No I'm sadly not postulating a hypothetical situation that doesn't exist. I've been involved in two investigations where I live here in Ontario into this already. And we don't exactly have "corporate edumudcation companies" in Canada.

As for much transparency? No, no there isn't. Seen the CRA(that's the equivalent of the IRS), launch investigations up here on various boards for "losing" tax information already. Want another example of a board of education that's insane? Try the TDSB I personally liked the $143 to install pencil sharpeners myself. And the $1500 to install a basketball backboard.

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44. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 14:24 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 14:19:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 00:35:

I think about halfway through my rant I really realized I just take offense to his phrasing, because it vilifies socialism. Listen, I'm probably one of the biggest fans of capitalism on this site, but it needs to be heavily regulated.

It's funny that the period of time when the USA was the most economically strong was 50 years ago, a period of time where union membership was in the 60% range, where the top tax rate was 90%, the wealth gap was small, CEO salaries were only 10x worker salaries, not 300x, there was social security, and the debt was high. And yet today, it's claimed that in order to "save" the economy we have to cut the tax rate, get rid of SS, get rid of unions, get rid of the debt, etc. etc. all things that basically have the opposite effect.

Yup. Again, I'll point to the New Deal introducing socialism and suddenly we had a growing middle class. Sure, things like suburbs led to that, but I think points you mentioned were the main reason.

Then came the Reagan tax cut and we've had a runaway top class (top 0.5%), a shrinking middle class, a lack of class change, and a lot of people arguing that this is better.

I watched that John Oliver someone mentioned earlier last night. I think his point of optimism fueling people defending laws that hurt them in favor of the super rich being that everyone holds out on the chance they'll be super rich, even though the laws they support make that less likely, rings decently true.

The WSJ reported that our wealth inequality is back to the level it was in the 1920s. Insanity. We all know what happened then, when only a few people had money to feed the economy. Boom! Crash. Followed by Boom! Great Depression. Followed by Boom! New Deal and Socialism to take some of the edge off of our pure capitalism. Followed by immense innovation, blossoming middle class, and enormous economic group.

Keyenes said the Great Depression was caused by a decrease in consumption. Do you know what a large wealth inequality does? It decreases consumption. As I've said a billion times here, when some people are super rich and everyone else is close to the poverty line consumption drops. One individual can only consume so much, so those with the wealth aren't covering for their proportion. Everyone else lacks the wealth to consume. The economy starves.

But hey, Axis, keep arguing that this is because the guys at Candy Crush work harder than you, are smarter than you, and deserve billions while you make $50k.

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43. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 14:19 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 00:35:

I think about halfway through my rant I really realized I just take offense to his phrasing, because it vilifies socialism. Listen, I'm probably one of the biggest fans of capitalism on this site, but it needs to be heavily regulated.

It's funny that the period of time when the USA was the most economically strong was 50 years ago, a period of time where union membership was in the 60% range, where the top tax rate was 90%, the wealth gap was small, CEO salaries were only 10x worker salaries, not 300x, there was social security, and the debt was high. And yet today, it's claimed that in order to "save" the economy we have to cut the tax rate, get rid of SS, get rid of unions, get rid of the debt, etc. etc. all things that basically have the opposite effect.
 
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42. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 14:08 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 13:58:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jul 16, 2014, 23:39:

jdreyer wrote on Jul 16, 2014, 21:54:

Goddammit Beam, what did I tell you about that making sense thing? Corrupt lazy teachers just feels right in my gut, so it must be true!
So you're saying that when teachers blow off teaching and simply drop a textbook in front of a kid and say "there ya go, learn it." They're not being lazy? When they don't show up for a class and let no one know, they're also not being lazy. And when boards blow money that's supposed to go to say...new library systems on $250k trips for "education training" in a nice far away tropical location they're not corrupt?
You're postulating a hypothetical situation that doesn't really exist. No one goes into teaching for the money. They do it because they love teaching and they care. The vast majority of teachers are responsible, hardworking people. This whole "corrupt lazy teachers" canard is a red herring sown by the corporate education companies with the goal of setting up government funded schools for their companies from which they suck max profits with no competition. The track record of these kinds of schools is very poor, which is what you'd expect when 15-20% of the funds is going to profit instead of to the students. Also, money spent on trips to Hawaii is also a very unusual problem.

Are there bad teachers and corrupt officials and waste? Sure, but no more so than any other industry. And unlike private corporations, there's much transparency on DOE budgets, so these abuses can be ferreted out.

I think there's a great deal of waste at the administrator level, though I think that's due to government entities following corporate pay trends to woo top talent.

As for terrible teachers, I had some growing up. Many of them were old and shouldn't have still been in the classroom (not sure why they didn't retire at 25 years as the unions would prefer.)

I think I've mentioned before that I did some work with juvenile criminals in Newark, NJ. Meaning I saw their schools and met their teachers. The teachers worked their asses off. They tried their best to find the jewels they could connect with and get to college. The problems came from the parents, who saw little use for school because school got them nothing. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even if the kid works the parents can't afford college. If the kid manages to get a scholarship, which is less common than many think, the parents still can't afford it. Sending a kid to college is expensive. And even if the kid gets into a somewhat local school, and many inner cities don't have them, and even if the kid has a full ride with a stipend to include books and clothing, transportation becomes an issue. And when the kid gets to class he feels like an outsider and has trouble connecting.

Basically, there's a belief in this neighborhoods that you can't get out, because so very few people get out. And when a parent has that belief, nothing a teacher does will overcome it.
 
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41. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 14:06 jdreyer
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 08:44:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 00:35:

I think about halfway through my rant I really realized I just take offense to his phrasing, because it vilifies socialism. Listen, I'm probably one of the biggest fans of capitalism on this site, but it needs to be heavily regulated.

A big fan of Capitalism Beamer? No, you're not. You are, however, a giant ball of contradiction because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Care to extrapolate? Without specific examples it's hard to know why you think this, and easy to dismiss it as simple ad hominem.
 
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40. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 14:06 descender
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 13:55:
You're a fool and a tool. That's all that's worth adding.

Another day, another thread where Axis can't get along with others.

Trollbashing


Capitalism only actually works for a small fraction of society, if the people ever realize that... the game will be over. Did someone below actually suggest that "socialism created the wealth gap"?! Capitalism suffers from selfishness and greed, and FEEDS on economic disparity. There is nothing inherently wrong with socialism/communism... such boogeyman words :p It's hilarious how indoctrinated people can be.

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39. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 13:58 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 13:55:
You're a fool and a tool. That's all that's worth adding.

This is all you're capable of.
And I see you edited this to basically do "I'm rubber and you're glue." Must I link to ALL the topics in which we begged you for data and provided our own and you were only capable of linking to articles written by morons with no qualifications?
 
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38. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 13:58 jdreyer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jul 16, 2014, 23:39:

jdreyer wrote on Jul 16, 2014, 21:54:

Goddammit Beam, what did I tell you about that making sense thing? Corrupt lazy teachers just feels right in my gut, so it must be true!
So you're saying that when teachers blow off teaching and simply drop a textbook in front of a kid and say "there ya go, learn it." They're not being lazy? When they don't show up for a class and let no one know, they're also not being lazy. And when boards blow money that's supposed to go to say...new library systems on $250k trips for "education training" in a nice far away tropical location they're not corrupt?
You're postulating a hypothetical situation that doesn't really exist. No one goes into teaching for the money. They do it because they love teaching and they care. The vast majority of teachers are responsible, hardworking people. This whole "corrupt lazy teachers" canard is a red herring sown by the corporate education companies with the goal of setting up government funded schools for their companies from which they suck max profits with no competition. The track record of these kinds of schools is very poor, which is what you'd expect when 15-20% of the funds is going to profit instead of to the students. Also, money spent on trips to Hawaii is also a very unusual problem.

Are there bad teachers and corrupt officials and waste? Sure, but no more so than any other industry. And unlike private corporations, there's much transparency on DOE budgets, so these abuses can be ferreted out.
 
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37. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 13:55 Axis
 
Assumptions and contradictions, that's what you amount to.  
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36. Re: Morning Metaverse Jul 17, 2014, 11:33 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 08:44:
Beamer wrote on Jul 17, 2014, 00:35:

I think about halfway through my rant I really realized I just take offense to his phrasing, because it vilifies socialism. Listen, I'm probably one of the biggest fans of capitalism on this site, but it needs to be heavily regulated.

A big fan of Capitalism Beamer? No, you're not. You are, however, a giant ball of contradiction because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Me: corporate job, making a very nice amount of money at a company growing very rapidly in a state that has no income tax. I enjoy capitalism.
You: government IT job, overseeing some shitty small town government's tiny network, clueless about the economy because you're barely a part of it.

Pure capitalism, which is probably what you would support, is moronic. But you've always been proven wrong whenever we get into economic discussions, you never once support your claims, and you basically know nothing. At all. No formal education, no textbooks read, only articles on shitty websites written by people as clueless as you are.
 
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