Send News. Want a reply? Read this. More in the FAQ.   News Forum - All Forums - Mobile - PDA - RSS Headlines  RSS Headlines   Twitter  Twitter
Customize
User Settings
Styles:
LAN Parties
Upcoming one-time events:

Regularly scheduled events

Line Of Defense $99 Early Access

We missed word last week that Line Of Defense is headed to Early Access, and that the upcoming MMOG from 3000AD is the latest game to go the premium route for this, as it will cost $99.00. An update on TwitLonger (more than 140 characters!!) by Derek Smart explains the reasoning for the high price (thanks PC Gamer) and shoots a laser across the bows of a competitor. Here's a bit:

The $99 EA price tag - which has a LOT of perks - ensures that only serious people who can provide meaningful feedback through their commitment, need apply. And for that they get a lot more than they would if they waited for the final game release.

We're simply not interested in letting freeloaders gain early access to the game, not provide meaningful - if any - feedback, while we foot the bill for the backend services, servers, bandwidth etc

We're a SMALL independent game dev making a MASSIVE game in a genre dominated and monopolized by SOE and their popular @planetside2 series. In contrast, from start to finish, LOD was developed by less than ten people. Including third-party contractors. Yeah.

And unlike those other guys, we don't take your money, then plonk you in useless assets (how do you like that hanger now?), a largely unfinished product or a product that may not even see the light of day. I don't even need to defend against that premise; go look at my game releases. While they may not be everyone's cup of tea, we still keep making them because we have and know our audience.

View
74 Replies. 4 pages. Viewing page 1.
< Newer [ 1 2 3 4 ] Older >

74. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 18, 2014, 19:31 Prez
 
I am pretty much indifferent to Derek Smart now despite having alternately admired/despised him throughout his career. So when I comment on the trailer it is without an opinion on the man behind it or his colorful history.

I watched that trailer and was of two minds. The space sections look tasty in their potential - I'll give this game that much at least. But the ground aspects (presumably this game is going to feature fps combat as all of the 300OAD games since Battlecruiser Millenium) look ... horrid. It's not so much the graphics, which look passable in still shots, but the art, such as it is, is as vanilla as you can get and the animation is utterly abysmal. Ship-to-ship combat has always been 3000AD's strong suit - yes, I actually played and enjoyed Universal Combat when I was commanding a cap ship. The problem has always been too many layers of ugly menus to do anything and the tacked-on and woefully substandard ground fps combat. I like complex games, and I'm not a graphics whore, but it seems that a lot of this series' "complexity" is really just shoddy, lazy design. And when graphics and animations are so bad as to be distracting from the already bad ground combat, even a tolerant fellow like myself is pushed to his limits.

If he were here DS would most certainly tell me that I am not his target audience and whenever I hear that I always say "Bullshit". I am the exact audience for this kind of game. But the delivery has to match the vision, which is where his games lose the massive audience he COULD have for such a game. And that's a shame.
 
Avatar 17185
 
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
- Mahatma Gandhi
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
73. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 18, 2014, 14:17 nin
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 12:45:
Creston wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 21:46:
Also, holy shit, he got gray! I feel his pain there...
Fending all you trolls off on this board took a lot out of him

Whoa, just snorted on they keyboard...well done!

 
http://store.nin.com/index.php?cPath=10
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
72. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 18, 2014, 12:45 SpectralMeat
 
Creston wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 21:46:
Also, holy shit, he got gray! I feel his pain there...
Fending all you trolls off on this board took a lot out of him
 
Avatar 14225
 
Steam: SpectralMeat
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
71. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 18, 2014, 04:17 xXBatmanXx
 
Creston wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 21:46:
SpectralMeat wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 19:26:
Dirwulf wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:25:
He couldn't help himself over a PC gamer. HAD to respond to the comments. Get yer popcorn.
There is a reason why his game is called line of defense

To be fair to him, his arguments in that thread are pretty well constructed and thought out. He stands by his freeloader comment, and apparently doesn't understand the sheer lunacy of calling someone who would PAY TO GET EARLY ACCESS a freeloader, but other than that he's finally matured enough where he no longer just engages in pointless flame wars. Good for him.

Also, holy shit, he got gray! I feel his pain there...

Idiot just can't help himself can he?
 
Avatar 10714
 
Buy from GreenManGaming? Use this, we both get $2.00 - http://www.greenmangaming.com/?gmgr=purutuwi
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
70. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 18, 2014, 02:40 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:34:
I mean, I understand thinking that open betas lead to freeloaders. They do - they attract people that just want a free taste of an upcoming game, not people looking to help squash bugs [note: I've been this kind of freeloader many times. There's nothing wrong with it.] This is why most treat open betas as stress tests, not beta tests. It's about testing your servers, not about testing the client. Or, in the new days of data collection, testing balance. But it isn't about soliciting feedback.

But saying you can't do a $30 EA because those people paying $30 would be freeloaders? Odd.

I really don't think this is any different from paying extra for Alpha or Beta access to Planetary Annihilation, or Tides of Numeneria, or Project Eternity, or dozens of other games. Hey, if that's your funding model, and people pay, more power to you. And by limiting (via price) the number and quality of said users results in a reasonable amount of more focused and valuable feedback, then that's an upside.

But accusing people of freeloading because they're interested in your game is counterproductive in the extreme. I may have played one of DS's games back in the early 90s (think it was a demo of BC3000) but have never since then, and his reputation is a big part of that.
 
Avatar 22024
 
"It's just a bunch of mystic bovine scatology to me." - 1badmf
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
69. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 21:46 Creston
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 19:26:
Dirwulf wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:25:
He couldn't help himself over a PC gamer. HAD to respond to the comments. Get yer popcorn.
There is a reason why his game is called line of defense

To be fair to him, his arguments in that thread are pretty well constructed and thought out. He stands by his freeloader comment, and apparently doesn't understand the sheer lunacy of calling someone who would PAY TO GET EARLY ACCESS a freeloader, but other than that he's finally matured enough where he no longer just engages in pointless flame wars. Good for him.

Also, holy shit, he got gray! I feel his pain there...
 
Avatar 15604
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
68. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 17, 2014, 20:30 Rigs
 
You know, I can see both sides to this and the way I see it is this...he should just ignore it, all of it. Do his thing, make the best game he can (which, truthfully, is more than most of us here can do) and be happy with that. Most vets here grow tired of the constant back and forth punch/counter-punch, at least after the first couple anyway ...the naysayers will always be there, much like school bullies, you just have to learn to ignore them. Eventually, even if it takes decades, it will become just another legend in PC history, much like the original BC3000AD. He can't change the past, none of us can. What's been done has been done. But he can change how he reacts to it's mentioning or projection on current projects. If he took the high road and said something like, 'Cmon, man, that's old news and over with.' People would grow sick of hearing it every time. It's a funny laugh to bring up in every thread but that's all it is or should be and eventually, God willing, will be forgotten...

EDIT: And seriously, after viewing the mess over at PC Gamer and then the STEAM forums of the side app for this game, 'Tactics', it seems like the overall sentiment is this: 'If the dev would've kept his mouth shut and not acted like a 4 year old, I would have put money down'. Just leave it alone, Derek! You're your own worst enemy here now. Just shut your mouth, do your dev thing and let the game stand on it's own merits. Stop trying to micromanage the PR, it's not your strong suit, obviously...


=-Rigs-=

This comment was edited on Jun 17, 2014, 21:02.
 
Avatar 14292
 
'I know what you think you are, what you want us to believe! But I don't buy it! For three years now you've been pulling everyone's strings, getting us to do all the work, and you haven't done a damn thing except stand there and look cryptic.'
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
67. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 19:27 RavingArmy
 
Dirwulf wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:25:
He couldn't help himself over a PC gamer. HAD to respond to the comments. Get yer popcorn.

*gets out the White Cheddar popcorn flavoring*
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
66. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 19:26 SpectralMeat
 
Dirwulf wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:25:
He couldn't help himself over a PC gamer. HAD to respond to the comments. Get yer popcorn.
There is a reason why his game is called line of defense
 
Avatar 14225
 
Steam: SpectralMeat
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
65. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 18:58 RavingArmy
 
anime is great! wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 19:11:
Devil's Advocate: I truly think that DS has a good game inside of him. He just needs help to realize it. It's kind of like George Lucas, if you've read up on it, he had terrible ideas planned for Star Wars that were all tempered by a good crew. Not so much tempering in the prequels, though. Mr. Smart just needs the right team to help him put together his sci-fi dream.

Why did I suddenly picture a woman with a black eye mumbling about doorknobs just now?
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
64. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 17:34 Beamer
 
I mean, I understand thinking that open betas lead to freeloaders. They do - they attract people that just want a free taste of an upcoming game, not people looking to help squash bugs [note: I've been this kind of freeloader many times. There's nothing wrong with it.] This is why most treat open betas as stress tests, not beta tests. It's about testing your servers, not about testing the client. Or, in the new days of data collection, testing balance. But it isn't about soliciting feedback.

But saying you can't do a $30 EA because those people paying $30 would be freeloaders? Odd.
 
-------------
Music for the discerning:
http://www.deathwishinc.com
http://www.hydrahead.com
http://www.painkillerrecords.com
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
63. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 17:25 Dirwulf
 

He couldn't help himself over a PC gamer. HAD to respond to the comments. Get yer popcorn.
 
Avatar 55452
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
62. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 15:40 Wolfox
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 15:14:
How is it these days? Can you get stuff on GoG, Humble, Steam, etc?

It's great these days. I can get stuff on all of those, sometimes cheaper than US prices. Very few games are unavailable here, even if quite a few are region-locked on Steam.

That said, back then, digital distribution was at its infancy, and virtually non-existent around here, and retail distribution here was very limited and often overpriced. Some games took over an year to get released here, some never got released. Those were dark times, but they're definitely long past now.
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
61. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 15:14 jdreyer
 
Wolfox wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 11:13:
Cpmartins wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 08:33:
3KAD was the second game I've ever bought in my life (living in Brazil is no cheap thing I tell you).

Heh. I'm in Brazil as well, and I got the game imported back then. Not the second game I bought (that would be Rise of the Robots, which was another major disappointment), but it was definitely not easy and not cheap. :-)

How is it these days? Can you get stuff on GoG, Humble, Steam, etc?
 
Avatar 22024
 
"It's just a bunch of mystic bovine scatology to me." - 1badmf
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
60. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 14:35 Mr. Tact
 
You gotta give DS credit, he has gumption.  
Truth is brutal. Prepare for pain.
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
59. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 13:43 Creston
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 12:43:
Creston wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 11:40:
ASeven wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 07:53:
Did he just call any future buyer of his game freeloaders??

Yes. Yes, he did. Welcome to the world of Derek Smart, where you buy his game, and then get called a stupid fucknozzle by him or his tardbilly friends if it doesn't work.
Maybe that is a new fetish
Some people like to be punished, even if they have to pay for it

"Normally you pay double for that kind of action!"
 
Avatar 15604
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
58. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 12:43 SpectralMeat
 
Creston wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 11:40:
ASeven wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 07:53:
Did he just call any future buyer of his game freeloaders??

Yes. Yes, he did. Welcome to the world of Derek Smart, where you buy his game, and then get called a stupid fucknozzle by him or his tardbilly friends if it doesn't work.
Maybe that is a new fetish
Some people like to be punished, even if they have to pay for it
 
Avatar 14225
 
Steam: SpectralMeat
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
57. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 11:41 grudgebearer
 
nin wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 21:19:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 21:18:
If I recall correctly, he said he would never post here again - and we all rejoiced....

Pretty sure he posted after that, too...


Yeah I remember him getting busted using alts in one of those last discussions, and Blue chimed in and said that the posts from the other account were coming from the same IP as Derek's, and the "other poster" claimed he was VPNd into Derek's network.

Found it, this was his alt that Blue called out
 
Avatar 17580
 
'I'm not going to walk in through the front door - or the side door - and let you do the talking, just like that. You think I got this old not knowing how to stay alive?'
- Harlon Nayl
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
56. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 11:40 Creston
 
ASeven wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 07:53:
Did he just call any future buyer of his game freeloaders??

Yes. Yes, he did. Welcome to the world of Derek Smart, where you buy his game, and then get called a stupid fucknozzle by him or his tardbilly friends if it doesn't work.
 
Avatar 15604
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
55. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 11:13 Wolfox
 
Cpmartins wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 08:33:
3KAD was the second game I've ever bought in my life (living in Brazil is no cheap thing I tell you).

Heh. I'm in Brazil as well, and I got the game imported back then. Not the second game I bought (that would be Rise of the Robots, which was another major disappointment), but it was definitely not easy and not cheap. :-)
 
Reply Quote Edit Delete Report
 
74 Replies. 4 pages. Viewing page 1.
< Newer [ 1 2 3 4 ] Older >


footer

Blue's News logo