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If you are reading this, you presumably survived both E3 and Friday the 13th, so congratulations are in order. And happy Flag Day to those here in the U.S., marking the adoption of our flag 237 years ago today. My dad was very big on flying the flag, and had an actual flagpole at his country house, perhaps because we're related to Betsy Ross through his side of the family, though she may not have actually sewed the first flag as legend states. Anyway, we don't have a flagpole or anything, but I'm picking up the tradition with a flag flying out the window in remembrance of my dad and old Betsy.

Also, congrats to the Kings on the Stanley Cup. The Rangers were valiant, but ultimately outplayed (though the penalty that lead to the tying goal last night was pretty vexing).

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22. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 16, 2014, 06:41 jdreyer
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 20:03:
If he's not a cop in your state then technically he's not a cop. Even if he was he'd still be breaking the law. Don't argue with him, just call the cops and let them deal with it. It's what they get paid for. I've called cops on cops before and I know for a fact it resulted in a suspension for one clown at least. Police departments generally take that sort of thing very seriously. You can get suspended and fired for that sort of shit. If he thinks he's a big shot tell management to get their legal department involved. The threat of civil suit will shut him up real quick.


That's an excellent point. I didn't realize that HElf was in a completely different state that the police chief. So HElf is in KY and the chief is in OH (there's a joke in there somewhere, or as Archer would say "Phrasing!"). That makes me feel better, as his ability to retaliate to someone in a different state is much more limited than in his own state.

@Bats:
I think the police have a harder row to hoe than ever.

1. Police have always been seen as a repressive force. And while the USA has had one of the least corrupt and least repressive police forces in world history, that stigma is hard to overcome.

2. There are always bad apples in any line of work of course. In policing, due to the nature of their public service and the great power they wield over others, those examples stand out strongly. In the day and age of instant communications, social networking, internet news, and viral videos, the deeds of the bad apples can seem magnified by all these lenses.

3. There has been a definite change in the tone of US policing over the past couple of decades with a shift towards militarization. All the extra gear, no knock raids, shootings and tazerings of people and animals in the news, etc. It seems that the emphasis has changed from "protect and serve" to "get the bad guys at all costs."

Some of this might be perception; certainly the news has become much more sensationalistic over the past two decades, much more likely to report violence and death than in the past due to the much greater competition for eyeballs in the media. It's hard to tell though, since the part of the government that was tasked in 1994 with collecting data on police shootings nationwide and collating it year after year, has never done so. Without that data, who knows if the perception of greater police brutality is actually true.

Policing is a hard and thankless job, and I'm truly thankful to the men and women who do that tough job. I suppose that we must all stay vigilant against corruption wherever it surfaces, and I tip my hat to HElf for standing up against it.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 20:15 xXBatmanXx
 
The Half Elf wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 12:41:
Bats I have a question for ya.
I'm a bouncer/security right across the river from Cincinnati Ohio, and last night had to throw out a Police Chief of a large Cincinnati county (hell it IS the county) for buying alcohol for his underage kids after the server told him he wouldn't serve them without ID. Guy was just a dick and trying to explain that in Ohio a parent can buy drinks for their kids (which they can't after an entire day of Alcohol Awareness training via the Horseshoe Casino), and when he said he was a professional with 17 years of law enforcement experience, I asked him what sort of officer would break the law and potentially have us loose our liquor license (we are known for our German Beer Brewing), and he got all threatening and (like my sister) tries to make comments to enrange me and my co-workers.
Granted he's off duty (but still flashed his badge to another security officer), is there anything I can do as we have 3 employee's plus 4 witness's next to him that wouldn't mind seeing a prick like him put in his place.
And let me just say I have a high respect for the majority of cops I have met (or in my family), but when I get a egotistical power hungry asshole like this, I have no tolerance for thhem.

Thanks.

You can always complain to his department, more importantly to his boss. Even more importantly, you can contact his state's POST license board and file a complaint. 99% of the time, if you contact his boss it goes no where, but when you contact the state agency that holds his law enforcement LICENSE (yes we all have licenses, in MN ours expire every 3 years and has to be renewed by my home department after showing proof I have x amount of hours in continuing education that meets the requirements of my license) - they have to investigate.

All departments have this little rule in their policy book(as does the POST board) that states "behavior unbecoming of an officer" it is the catchall that sounds like was an issue here.

Here is the link to the MN POST board website - with some google I am sure you can find the one you need.

I know a lot of people (including a lot here) don't like cops, and I don't have a problem with that. The longer I am a police officer the more I understand why people don't like us. I see a lot of shit that makes my jaw drop.....people that know me say things like "you aren't like the other cops" and that makes me smile. I also don't tolerate the behavior you describe - and I would do something about it if it was me.

If you need to discuss further, hit me up in Steam or gmail.

/Cutter touched on it - my license is only good for MN. I can carry a gun in all 50 states thanks to a federal law, but my cop license is only good here in MN. My guess is this isn't the first time he did shit like this.

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20. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 20:03 Cutter
 
If he's not a cop in your state then technically he's not a cop. Even if he was he'd still be breaking the law. Don't argue with him, just call the cops and let them deal with it. It's what they get paid for. I've called cops on cops before and I know for a fact it resulted in a suspension for one clown at least. Police departments generally take that sort of thing very seriously. You can get suspended and fired for that sort of shit. If he thinks he's a big shot tell management to get their legal department involved. The threat of civil suit will shut him up real quick.

 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 18:16 nin
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 16:49:
The Half Elf wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 12:41:
Bats I have a question for ya.
I'm a bouncer/security right across the river from Cincinnati Ohio, and last night had to throw out a Police Chief of a large Cincinnati county (hell it IS the county) for buying alcohol for his underage kids after the server told him he wouldn't serve them without ID. Guy was just a dick and trying to explain that in Ohio a parent can buy drinks for their kids (which they can't after an entire day of Alcohol Awareness training via the Horseshoe Casino), and when he said he was a professional with 17 years of law enforcement experience, I asked him what sort of officer would break the law and potentially have us loose our liquor license (we are known for our German Beer Brewing), and he got all threatening and (like my sister) tries to make comments to enrange me and my co-workers.
Granted he's off duty (but still flashed his badge to another security officer), is there anything I can do as we have 3 employee's plus 4 witness's next to him that wouldn't mind seeing a prick like him put in his place.
And let me just say I have a high respect for the majority of cops I have met (or in my family), but when I get a egotistical power hungry asshole like this, I have no tolerance for thhem.

Thanks.

I hope everything works out. I've read too much Radley Balko over the years to be confident that nothing bad will come of this.

Hope everything turns out OK, HElf. Sounds like you did the right thing.

 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 16:49 jdreyer
 
The Half Elf wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 12:41:
Bats I have a question for ya.
I'm a bouncer/security right across the river from Cincinnati Ohio, and last night had to throw out a Police Chief of a large Cincinnati county (hell it IS the county) for buying alcohol for his underage kids after the server told him he wouldn't serve them without ID. Guy was just a dick and trying to explain that in Ohio a parent can buy drinks for their kids (which they can't after an entire day of Alcohol Awareness training via the Horseshoe Casino), and when he said he was a professional with 17 years of law enforcement experience, I asked him what sort of officer would break the law and potentially have us loose our liquor license (we are known for our German Beer Brewing), and he got all threatening and (like my sister) tries to make comments to enrange me and my co-workers.
Granted he's off duty (but still flashed his badge to another security officer), is there anything I can do as we have 3 employee's plus 4 witness's next to him that wouldn't mind seeing a prick like him put in his place.
And let me just say I have a high respect for the majority of cops I have met (or in my family), but when I get a egotistical power hungry asshole like this, I have no tolerance for thhem.

Thanks.

I hope everything works out. I've read too much Radley Balko over the years to be confident that nothing bad will come of this.
 
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 13:08 BobBob
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 12:41 The Half Elf
 
Bats I have a question for ya.
I'm a bouncer/security right across the river from Cincinnati Ohio, and last night had to throw out a Police Chief of a large Cincinnati county (hell it IS the county) for buying alcohol for his underage kids after the server told him he wouldn't serve them without ID. Guy was just a dick and trying to explain that in Ohio a parent can buy drinks for their kids (which they can't after an entire day of Alcohol Awareness training via the Horseshoe Casino), and when he said he was a professional with 17 years of law enforcement experience, I asked him what sort of officer would break the law and potentially have us loose our liquor license (we are known for our German Beer Brewing), and he got all threatening and (like my sister) tries to make comments to enrange me and my co-workers.
Granted he's off duty (but still flashed his badge to another security officer), is there anything I can do as we have 3 employee's plus 4 witness's next to him that wouldn't mind seeing a prick like him put in his place.
And let me just say I have a high respect for the majority of cops I have met (or in my family), but when I get a egotistical power hungry asshole like this, I have no tolerance for thhem.

Thanks.
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 09:37 xXBatmanXx
 
1badmf wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 05:04:
jdreyer wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 03:38:
Creston wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 02:43:
Unlike the World Cup so far this year, where the refereeing has been so lopsided as to be truly laughable. It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore.

I'll just leave this little commentary by John Oliver right here.

hahaahah that was fucking brilliant. fuck FIFA man. the only way it'll ever change though is if one of the major regions mutinied and started their own governing body. has to be UEFA (europe) or CONMEBOL (south america). no one else has the clout or money to pull it off. my god those guys are cartoony evil. they make the NSA look like ras'al ghul to their boris and natasha.

American football (NFL) is just as bad. I wasn't aware of the Super Bowl rider requests....that stuff upset me...
 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 08:32 Quboid
 
I don't really understand why people are so quick to accuse referees/umpires/etc of being corrupt. It seems far, far more likely to me that they simply get things wrong. Particularly with football/soccer as the authorities are really loathe to help the referees - this year is the first World Cup with goal line technology FFS!

I don't know about the Stanley Cup but the World Cup: the penalty for Brazil was just wrong and Mexico had 2 goals incorrectly disallowed. That's the only wrong decisions I've seen. There's been a few borderline ones too (bad challenges, Neymar's elbow, fouls goalkeepers) but these are all very much in the "seen them given, seen them not given" category. Pressure from the crowd can led to the home team getting a bit more but that's subconscious.

Frankly, I don't think referees to be good enough to be corrupt.
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 05:04 1badmf
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 03:38:
Creston wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 02:43:
Unlike the World Cup so far this year, where the refereeing has been so lopsided as to be truly laughable. It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore.

I'll just leave this little commentary by John Oliver right here.

hahaahah that was fucking brilliant. fuck FIFA man. the only way it'll ever change though is if one of the major regions mutinied and started their own governing body. has to be UEFA (europe) or CONMEBOL (south america). no one else has the clout or money to pull it off. my god those guys are cartoony evil. they make the NSA look like ras'al ghul to their boris and natasha.
 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 03:38 jdreyer
 
Creston wrote on Jun 15, 2014, 02:43:
Unlike the World Cup so far this year, where the refereeing has been so lopsided as to be truly laughable. It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore.

I'll just leave this little commentary by John Oliver right here.
 
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11. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 03:33 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 21:30:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 19:11:
(though the penalty that lead to the tying goal last night was pretty vexing).

Fixed games were very evident this year. Need only to look at any of the Wild games to see how atrocious and obvious the calls were....

There's zero chance the Stanley Cup Finals were fixed to end in five games.

Zero chance.

Exactly, it's when you get two teams where one is clearly superior, yet the series goes to seven games.
 
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 03:32 jdreyer
 
1badmf wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 19:16:
jdreyer wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 17:48:
Still waiting for Ant's impressions of E3.

As for no booth babes, overall I think that's a positive development.

it's a futile effort. as long as men and women want to bump uglies, both genders will always be objectified. it exists in every facet of our lives; there's no reason it should necessarily be excluded from E3. just because i ogle at hot chicks doesn't mean it's the only thing i see. the girls at work treat me like a piece of meat sometimes and trust me, i have no problem with it =D

I don't disagree that human nature is human nature. I am just opposed to the overt systemization and exploitation of it. Also, what does it have to do with games per se?
 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 15, 2014, 02:43 Creston
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 21:30:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 19:11:
(though the penalty that lead to the tying goal last night was pretty vexing).

Fixed games were very evident this year. Need only to look at any of the Wild games to see how atrocious and obvious the calls were....

There's zero chance the Stanley Cup Finals were fixed to end in five games.

Zero chance.

Unlike the World Cup so far this year, where the refereeing has been so lopsided as to be truly laughable. It's like they're not even bothering to hide it anymore.
 
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 14, 2014, 22:35 HorrorScope
 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 14, 2014, 21:30 Beamer
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 19:11:
(though the penalty that lead to the tying goal last night was pretty vexing).

Fixed games were very evident this year. Need only to look at any of the Wild games to see how atrocious and obvious the calls were....

There's zero chance the Stanley Cup Finals were fixed to end in five games.

Zero chance.
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 14, 2014, 19:21 1badmf
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 19:11:
(though the penalty that lead to the tying goal last night was pretty vexing).

Fixed games were very evident this year. Need only to look at any of the Wild games to see how atrocious and obvious the calls were....

you don't know fixed games until you've watched NBA or FIFA refereeing. the NHL has some questionable calls, but they're nowhere near as bad as those two. overall the kings were just a better team. as for that call, well maybe the rangers shouldn't have been selling out their own zone before the puck even left. even if it hadn't been called, the kings would've had a 5 on 3 down low because the rangers forwards all blitzed down the ice while Muzzin intercepted the clearing pass. the rangers overall got the benefit of more powerplays including two in overtime. they just couldn't convert their chances and the kings did.
 
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 14, 2014, 19:16 1badmf
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 14, 2014, 17:48:
Still waiting for Ant's impressions of E3.

As for no booth babes, overall I think that's a positive development.

it's a futile effort. as long as men and women want to bump uglies, both genders will always be objectified. it exists in every facet of our lives; there's no reason it should necessarily be excluded from E3. just because i ogle at hot chicks doesn't mean it's the only thing i see. the girls at work treat me like a piece of meat sometimes and trust me, i have no problem with it =D
 
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4. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 14, 2014, 19:11 xXBatmanXx
 
(though the penalty that lead to the tying goal last night was pretty vexing).

Fixed games were very evident this year. Need only to look at any of the Wild games to see how atrocious and obvious the calls were....
 
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3. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 14, 2014, 17:48 jdreyer
 
Still waiting for Ant's impressions of E3.

As for no booth babes, overall I think that's a positive development.
 
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