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MS Planning DirectX 12

Microsoft has launched a new DirectX blog and DirectX 12 Twitter account indicating another version is in the works, with the motto on the Twitter account stating "#DirectX12 is coming... follow us for the latest news." This contradicts other indications they might be phasing out the API collection. This goes along with a GDC 2014 Session titled "DirectX: Evolving Microsoft's Graphics Platform (Presented by Microsoft)." Here's word on DirectX 12 from the session summary:

For nearly 20 years, DirectX has been the platform used by game developers to create the fastest, most visually impressive games on the planet.

However, you asked us to do more. You asked us to bring you even closer to the metal and to do so on an unparalleled assortment of hardware. You also asked us for better tools so that you can squeeze every last drop of performance out of your PC, tablet, phone and console.

Come learn our plans to deliver.

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94. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 7, 2014, 00:00 Beamer
 
Difference between WP and Linux: the backing of a massive corporation with a multi-million dollar marketing campaign and an incentive to wall it off (right or wrong.)  
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93. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 23:45 Bundy
 
Redmask wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 23:37:
You should probably be paying attention to those wellheads, people could die man Anxious

Hope so, my coworkers are all jerks!
 
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92. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 23:37 Redmask
 
You should probably be paying attention to those wellheads, people could die man Anxious  
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91. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 23:34 Bundy
 
Redmask wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 23:09:
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 22:02:
oh geez, dont be so dramatic. They're a tech company, and when they fail at something, a bunch of gamers on a blog get mad. At the company I work for, when we fail, a wellhead explodes and people die. So I'm sorry if I dont quite get so up in arms because you dont like the loss of the start menu, that doesn't qualify as incompetence as I know it.

Dramatic? You just unironically tried to compare a life and death scenario to what you call a blog discussion and you have probably 20+ posts in this thread on the subject. Perhaps you shouldn't be accusing others of drama. I was just pointing out that it's not exactly a difficult leap to see that repeated failures in consumer markets combined with bad PR has lead to a shitty reputation with consumers.

A vocal internet minority doesn't mean 'everyone' hates Microsoft and people can still criticize or be cynical about Microsoft products without 'hating' the whole company.

Yeah, but I'm HUGELY dramatic!
 
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90. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 23:26 Prez
 
I wonder, is it the same folks coming down on windows phone as being insignificant and about to die, the same group that defends Linux as a strong alternative?

For the record I was saying that I hope it would one day become an alternative, not saying that it is currently.
 
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89. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 23:09 Redmask
 
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 22:02:
oh geez, dont be so dramatic. They're a tech company, and when they fail at something, a bunch of gamers on a blog get mad. At the company I work for, when we fail, a wellhead explodes and people die. So I'm sorry if I dont quite get so up in arms because you dont like the loss of the start menu, that doesn't qualify as incompetence as I know it.

Dramatic? You just unironically tried to compare a life and death scenario to what you call a blog discussion and you have probably 20+ posts in this thread on the subject. Perhaps you shouldn't be accusing others of drama. I was just pointing out that it's not exactly a difficult leap to see that repeated failures in consumer markets combined with bad PR has lead to a shitty reputation with consumers.

A vocal internet minority doesn't mean 'everyone' hates Microsoft and people can still criticize or be cynical about Microsoft products without 'hating' the whole company.

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88. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 22:17 Bundy
 
Redmask wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 22:15:
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 22:11:
But if I pointed at a Mac, or a Linux PC and said the same thing, I'd be drown out by the same folks talking about the virtues of ubuntu and the elegant nature of OSX. Yes, WP is a small marketshare, I doubt it'll ever get much larger.

No, I don't think that's accurate either. You would get people telling you that OSX is a niche product and that Apple's main market is iOS now and that the year of the desktop for Linux never materialized. You're listening to a small fringe and assuming their comments represent a majority view which is incorrect.

I guess. It's always hard to tell, which group is the majority, and which is the loudest. On the internet, it does tend to be the latter.
 
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87. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 22:15 Redmask
 
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 22:11:
But if I pointed at a Mac, or a Linux PC and said the same thing, I'd be drown out by the same folks talking about the virtues of ubuntu and the elegant nature of OSX. Yes, WP is a small marketshare, I doubt it'll ever get much larger.

No, I don't think that's accurate either. You would get people telling you that OSX is a niche product and that Apple's main market is iOS now and that the year of the desktop for Linux never materialized. You're listening to a small fringe and assuming their comments represent a majority view which is incorrect.
 
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86. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 22:11 Bundy
 
Redmask wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 21:33:
This is such a stupid thing to say, yep anyone who accurately points out that Windows Phone isn't a statistical majority must be a neckbeard well done fella. Stating Windows Phone is insignificant is a fact, it is a tiny subset of a very large market. You may like Windows Phone and feel that you need to reinforce your purchase decision but for the time being that's just the truth. Whether it will die or not is anyones guess. I've used a Windows Phone but I don't own one personally so it doesn't affect me either way. The idea that everyone is somehow invested in Microsoft smartphone failure is some forum warrior bullshit.

Because you didn't read what I said. My argument was that WP having a small market share is quickly pointed at as an absolute failure by a tech giant. But if I pointed at a Mac, or a Linux PC and said the same thing, I'd be drown out by the same folks talking about the virtues of ubuntu and the elegant nature of OSX. Yes, WP is a small marketshare, I doubt it'll ever get much larger.
 
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85. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 22:02 Bundy
 
Redmask wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 21:33:
I'm not surprised you don't get it considering you inaccurately lump everyone with a complaint about a Microsoft product into the same crowd. Microsoft has done some pretty incompetent shit over the past 10 years, much of it in the consumer space so if you don't understand where people are coming from then you're not trying. People don't have to 'hate' Microsoft to be cynical about their efforts either.

I use Microsoft products from time to time and I don't have any personal feelings about a fucking corporation but the company is not some poorly understood entity, they have earned it every step of the way.

oh geez, dont be so dramatic. They're a tech company, and when they fail at something, a bunch of gamers on a blog get mad. At the company I work for, when we fail, a wellhead explodes and people die. So I'm sorry if I dont quite get so up in arms because you dont like the loss of the start menu, that doesn't qualify as incompetence as I know it.
 
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84. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 21:33 Redmask
 
I'm not surprised you don't get it considering you inaccurately lump everyone with a complaint about a Microsoft product into the same crowd. Microsoft has done some pretty incompetent shit over the past 10 years, much of it in the consumer space. I use Microsoft products from time to time and I don't have any personal feelings about a fucking corporation but the company is not some poorly understood entity, they have earned it every step of the way.

I wonder, is it the same folks coming down on windows phone as being insignificant and about to die, the same group that defends Linux as a strong alternative?

This is such a stupid thing to say, yep anyone who accurately points out that Windows Phone isn't a statistical majority must be a neckbeard well done fella. Stating Windows Phone is insignificant is a fact, it is a tiny subset of a very large market. You may like Windows Phone and feel that you need to reinforce your purchase decision but for the time being that's just the truth. Whether it will die or not is anyones guess. I've used a Windows Phone but I don't own one personally so it doesn't affect me either way. The idea that everyone is somehow invested in Microsoft smartphone failure is some forum warrior bullshit.

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83. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 20:04 Bundy
 
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 19:25:
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 18:58:
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 18:41:
Steele Johnson wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 15:18:
Actually, Windows Phone has been rapidly gaining market share over the past year. This is due to the decline of iPhone and Blackberry sales and all the problems associated with Android security and OS fragmentation.

What is it like 5% Windows and 85% Apple and Android? Loooong ways to go, yep when you sell little you can impress people with yoy sales growth.

Actually, against the enormous popularity of android and apple, I imagine its incredibly hard to move your sales needle upwards. People are always quick to celebrate any increase in Linux and mac sales, why are they so dismissive of wp8 against the google and apple juggernauts?

Well I don't know about the Linux and Apple don't have either. But the point is, sure it has sold some, but it's really tiny still. To see it become an equal 3rd, that would be some impressive work. We hate MS the PC Game Supporter because this is a PC Gaming site, they have really shit on us. Luckily they give us a good O/S in 7, but after that they've gone backwards for years. They also have promised better support to follow up with no support at all. Simply their actions cause our reactions.

oh I know, I've been a PC gamer since 1987 (kings quest all the way!) I'm just saying its a bit of a double standard. Jumping into console gaming screwed all PC gamers. Vista was terrible, win8 has an awkward GUI, but actually performs quite well. I've just never understood the whole "some of their os's have been slow and I don't like the new GUI and controllers suck, so I'm gonna hate everything they do until the end of time arrrrrrrgh!"
 
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82. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 19:25 HorrorScope
 
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 18:58:
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 18:41:
Steele Johnson wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 15:18:
Actually, Windows Phone has been rapidly gaining market share over the past year. This is due to the decline of iPhone and Blackberry sales and all the problems associated with Android security and OS fragmentation.

What is it like 5% Windows and 85% Apple and Android? Loooong ways to go, yep when you sell little you can impress people with yoy sales growth.

Actually, against the enormous popularity of android and apple, I imagine its incredibly hard to move your sales needle upwards. People are always quick to celebrate any increase in Linux and mac sales, why are they so dismissive of wp8 against the google and apple juggernauts?

Well I don't know about the Linux and Apple don't have either. But the point is, sure it has sold some, but it's really tiny still. To see it become an equal 3rd, that would be some impressive work. We hate MS the PC Game Supporter because this is a PC Gaming site, they have really shit on us. Luckily they give us a good O/S in 7, but after that they've gone backwards for years. They also have promised better support to follow up with no support at all. Simply their actions cause our reactions.
 
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81. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:58 Bundy
 
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 18:41:
Steele Johnson wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 15:18:
Actually, Windows Phone has been rapidly gaining market share over the past year. This is due to the decline of iPhone and Blackberry sales and all the problems associated with Android security and OS fragmentation.

What is it like 5% Windows and 85% Apple and Android? Loooong ways to go, yep when you sell little you can impress people with yoy sales growth.

Actually, against the enormous popularity of android and apple, I imagine its incredibly hard to move your sales needle upwards. People are always quick to celebrate any increase in Linux and mac sales, why are they so dismissive of wp8 against the google and apple juggernauts?
 
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80. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:41 HorrorScope
 
Steele Johnson wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 15:18:
Actually, Windows Phone has been rapidly gaining market share over the past year. This is due to the decline of iPhone and Blackberry sales and all the problems associated with Android security and OS fragmentation.

What is it like 5% Windows and 85% Apple and Android? Loooong ways to go, yep when you sell little you can impress people with yoy sales growth.
 
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79. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:41 jdreyer
 
Despoiler wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 12:44:
DX12 can't be a superset of DX11 like 11 was of 10. They need to rebuild DX from the ground up in order to make it a modern API that solves its inherent problems (little to no CPU scaling, API overhead, and driver overhead). Make no mistake, MS is going to talk about the future and not what actually exists. It's going to sound an awful lot like what Mantle delivers now. It will be available on the next version of Windows. These GDC talks are MS getting beat to the punch, trying to get back into the fight, all before the ref counts to 10. It's typical Microsoft.

I like this thinking. I was sitting here wondering, "What features can MS add that will sell this as an API?" and wasn't really coming up with much. Developers barely use the DX11 feature set as it is. But to redesign it from the ground up could be just what the doctor ordered. DX has been pretty staid for years.
 
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78. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:36 jdreyer
 
Qbex . wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 11:48:
Yeah right, talk is cheep, MS is desperate for relevance - loosing on all fronts even staple pc boxes and pc gaming treated like shit for years are now endangered by MacOs, SteamOS and ChromeOS. And as usual MS will chuck billlllionz of greens at wrong department - PR instead of R&D. I believe it when I see real world performance gains and return of Power User UI focus in next Windows, otherwise I'm staying on W7 and StreamOs ready partition on my SSD

Although W8 was a misguided attempt to force a mobile UI onto the desktop, Windows Mobile is a pretty nice mobile UI. And the Surface Pro is a pretty sweet piece of tech.

I do agree they need to make a desktop UI for desktops.
 
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77. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:35 HorrorScope
 
Drazula wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 15:05:
Bundy wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 14:13:
Enh, there seems to be a lot of MS hate no matter what they do.
Because even when they listen, they don't. One perfect example is the Win 8.1 Start Button. Did they really think all users wanted was an F*ing button to go to Metro? They knew exactly what users wanted and still said "Screw you!".

Yep. Douche Baggin's move.
 
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76. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:33 jdreyer
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Mar 6, 2014, 11:22:
I doubt we will need new hardware to run DX12.
If the graphics hardware in the current gaming consoles don't support DX12 you bet there won't be too many dev studio that will take "advantage" of the technology because they want their games to be on the console.

The handful of PC exclusive game devs will make sure the game will run on a wide variety of PCs, because they can not afford to sell the Win8 only crowd.
Right, even if DX12 DOES require new hardware, it will be many years before there are any DX12 exclusive games.
 
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75. Re: MS Planning DirectX 12 Mar 6, 2014, 18:26 Julio
 
I wonder if DirectX 12 is with Bing? Screw DirectX, I'd rather have an API that is not tied to the ever more closed Windows environment.  
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